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I'm not the type to buy first generation electronics but curious as to whether or not you have to have HDMI equipment to get HD with the new dvd players. What other types of inputs and outputs will they have?
How will they typically hook up to 4-5 year old HD TVs?
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AACS, used on both HD DVD and BD, allows for unconstrained analog output if so elected by the content provider, through the valuing of the Image Constraint Token (ICT) on the disc. If a content holder elects to set ICT=1, it means the video gets downsampled to a maximum of 520,000 pixels (e.g., from 1920x1080 down to 960x540); the video can then be upsampled to whatever the player supports (e.g., back up to 1920x1080). With HDMI, you don't have to worry about a thing...whatever is on the disc goes to the TV, no messing around.

That said, of the major Blu-ray studios, only two--Warner and Lions Gate--haven't publically gone on record that they don't plan to set ICT=1 as a policy. In other words, at least until analog piracy becomes an issue and studios rethink their strategies, Blu-ray discs from Sony, Paramount, Disney, etc. will allow full resolution analog (albeit 1080i, not 1080p*) over legacy component HD inputs. We hope the same will hold true for discs from Warner and Lions Gate; time will tell.

Understand, though, that analog output will cease to be an option on new AACS products in 2011...existing players will still look to the ICT to see what to do, but it's a logical conclusion that titles released after that sunset date will be ICT=1 (image constrained).

* As of now, no announced HD DVD or BD players support better than 1080i60 analog output. I very much doubt we'll ever see true 1080p analog output of any kind...not many displays can handle such a signal.

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Well. Thanks for the quick response and excuse my ignorance. Does this mean they will have traditional HD component outputs to put in one of my tv inputs?
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Yes. Good old YPbPr (3 connectors) component outputs.

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That said, of the major Blu-ray studios, only two--Warner and Lions Gate--haven't publically gone on record that they don't plan to set ICT=1 as a policy. In other words, at least until analog piracy becomes an issue and studios rethink their strategies, Blu-ray discs from Sony, Paramount, Disney, etc. will allow full resolution analog (albeit 1080i, not 1080p*) over legacy component HD inputs. We hope the same will hold true for discs from Warner and Lions Gate; time will tell.
Universal has stated their position?

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Universal is not a Blu-ray studio.

Yet. :)

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I'm not the type to buy first generation electronics but curious as to whether or not you have to have HDMI equipment to get HD with the new dvd players. What other types of inputs and outputs will they have?
How will they typically hook up to 4-5 year old HD TVs?
Thanks for your help...
Perhaps yesterday's confirmation by LG to Reuters
that they would be offering a dual-format(Blu-Ray
and HD-DVD) player this fall may start to quell
the nonsense in all its incarnations:

http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/03/15/ul...f_disc_player/

Once this comes along, can Momitsu and others be far
behind? Momitsu, for one, promptly offered upconversion
via component - recognizing at the time that very few
displays had DVI connections. Likewise, now, there are
only a small percentage of displays that incorporate
connections beyond component. So, how many prospective
buyers of any machines not offering hi-def via component
would be sold? I suggest that these upcoming dual-format
players will also provide full hi-def via component simply
because it is in the economic interests of all parties
to do so. And as to the down-res once suggested by the
movie studios on analog connections? Even Sony has
now said they won't flag their disks for the time
being with such an image reduction. There simply are
too many Asian players in the game to make it
possible for the 'gang of 8(or is it 9?)' to make that
stunt stand for very long.

As to Sony(Blu-Ray) and Toshiba(HD-DVD), I say a
pox on both their houses for trying to foist on the
public another silly Beta/VHS battle - and
KUDOS to LG and others of like mind.

Enjoy!

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