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Well, the reviews are starting to come in and it looks like Toshiba's HD-DVD is going like the Dodos. What with the slow sales of HD-DVD titles and Warner already cutting back on titles that it will offer on HD-DVD, it looks mighty grim for Toshiba (sorry, still can't post URLS)

The Future is Blu
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With single-disc capacity that starts at 25GB and could go as high as 200GB, Blu-ray offers more than enough storage space to cope with the huge demands of highly detailed HDTV video. As our exclusive review of the Pioneer BDR-101A reveals, the technology is far from cheap, but it performs capably. It'll be interesting to see how the rival HD-DVD technology compares, but in the meantime, the future looks Blu.

Hands On: Samsung's BD-P1000 Blu-Ray Player
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Design. The industrial design of the Samsung is far superior to that of
the HD-A1 in several ways. The sleek, piano-black box has a tapered
look; a circular, pressure-based front navigation panel; comfortable,
lightweight remote control; and a 10-in-2 card slot reader for reading
photos or MP3s. The player even resumes disc playback where you left
off, whether you press stop, or you power the unit down-a nice touch.

Responsiveness. Again, the Samsung rates ahead here. Across a variety
of standard definition and high definition films I threw at it, the
Samsung was generally fast at navigating around and titles and menu
options, and the remote's soft-mold buttons responded to my commands
in a timely fashion. Sometimes, the Sony BD discs I tried (including
House of Flying Daggers and Fifty First Dates) were a bit sluggish when
accessing chapters, but this problem did not seem evident with
standard-def discs, which leads me to believe it's an issue with the
discs, not the Samsung player.
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Interesting that they don't comment on the PQ of the software and yet declare the "future is blu"...
The PC advisor seems not to have even seen Hddvd//
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Well, the reviews are starting to come in and it looks like Toshiba's HD-DVD is going like the Dodos. What with the slow sales of HD-DVD titles and Warner already cutting back on titles that it will offer on HD-DVD, it looks mighty grim for Toshiba (sorry, still can't post URLS)

The Future is Blu
PC Advisor UK
With single-disc capacity that starts at 25GB and could go as high as 200GB, Blu-ray offers more than enough storage space to cope with the huge demands of highly detailed HDTV video. As our exclusive review of the Pioneer BDR-101A reveals, the technology is far from cheap, but it performs capably. It'll be interesting to see how the rival HD-DVD technology compares, but in the meantime, the future looks Blu.

Hands On: Samsung's BD-P1000 Blu-Ray Player
PC World
Design. The industrial design of the Samsung is far superior to that of
the HD-A1 in several ways. The sleek, piano-black box has a tapered
look; a circular, pressure-based front navigation panel; comfortable,
lightweight remote control; and a 10-in-2 card slot reader for reading
photos or MP3s. The player even resumes disc playback where you left
off, whether you press stop, or you power the unit down-a nice touch.

Responsiveness. Again, the Samsung rates ahead here. Across a variety
of standard definition and high definition films I threw at it, the
Samsung was generally fast at navigating around and titles and menu
options, and the remote's soft-mold buttons responded to my commands
in a timely fashion. Sometimes, the Sony BD discs I tried (including
House of Flying Daggers and Fifty First Dates) were a bit sluggish when
accessing chapters, but this problem did not seem evident with
standard-def discs, which leads me to believe it's an issue with the
discs, not the Samsung player.
I'll wait for actual sales numbers from either format before deciding which is the dodo....Next week I would expect BD sales on Amazon to be vastly greater than HD DVD (due to built up demand). If HD DVD outsells BD in their week of release I'd say BD is in trouble. Anyone have access to Amazon sales data? usually they are a good leading indicator....
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Hey,while the samsung player may navigate fairly decently, you forgot to mention that the pq of many of the blu-ray releases pretty much sucks. The toshibas are selling just fine and there pq and aq are easily more impressive than blu-rays. When it comes to the all important aspects of picture and audio quality, I'd say the samsung is the dodo.
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Interesting that they don't comment on the PQ of the software and yet declare the "future is blu"...
The PC advisor seems not to have even seen Hddvd//
kinda reminds me of several sigs on AVS :D
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This was left off the preliminary review:

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Future-proofing. Toshiba’s HD-A1 has the edge here. That player includes two USB ports up front, as well as an ethernet jack. Although Toshiba has not specified how those might be used down the road, at least the player has them (the inclusion of ethernet alone should make it easier down the road for consumers to upgrade the player). Samsung’s player, on the other hand, has neither USB nor ethernet; any firmware upgrades will need to be handled via disc.

Check back tomorrow for a more detailed report with my first impressions of the player--and of my thoughts on the first round of discs from Sony.
I'd wait until tomorrow before declaring PC World's conclusions and impressions.

Link here: http://blogs.pcworld.com/staffblog/archives/002302.html
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I apologize for directing "asj" to this forum. He's a Blu-ray shill who's been trolling the alt.video.dvd newsgroup with BD propaganda every day for months now. I pointed out to him that most of the initial user reports in this forum have been overwhelmingly negative, and apparently he's decided to start trolling here as well now.

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awww...how cute. Was this his first or second post? ;)

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Sorry, CP95 beat me to the punch.
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I've seen quite a few online reviews of Blu Ray that have been very contradictory to what members here are saying. Only a handful of sites have actually commented on the Samsung's short comings. This is going to do nothing, but hurt the chances for HiDef movies to succed. If these online reviewers are telling potential cusotmers that this is what HD looks like, no one is going to be impressed enough to blow $1,000 on a DVD player.
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Welcome new member with only two posts who seems to have some connection to BD based on your only other post here:
And furthermore... Only an as*hole programs his site so that no matter how many times you hit the back button, it simply reloads your page and won't let you out.
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Huh???? That's because since I posted that site, the actual link is at blueboard DOT , with a redirect to it from the old URL.
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Funny, I was just in my local BB and all 3 of the Samsungs are still sitting on the shelf. They don't even have a display set up yet. The players have been sitting there for days now. When the Toshibas came out, they were gone the first two days.

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Is this thread a joke? - So Blu Ray has potential storage capacity (welcome to 2003) and the lovely piano black finish on a player that cost's $500 more which is inferior in most every other way to the Tosh ... Did I miss any mention of the Picture Quality?
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That player includes two USB ports up front, as well as an ethernet jack. Although Toshiba has not specified how those might be used down the road, at least the player has them
Funny, that. It says quite clearly in the player manual that the USB ports can be used to connect games controllers, for use with interactive features such as games. There's also a mention that "Additional features may be supported in the future."

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It fits nicely with my conspiracy theory that this was based on the original platform for x360, was passed around to various potential vendors, until it found its identity as an hd-dvd player.

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I apologize for directing "asj" to this forum. He's a Blu-ray shill who's been trolling the alt.video.dvd newsgroup with BD propaganda every day for months now. I pointed out to him that most of the initial user reports in this forum have been overwhelmingly negative, and apparently he's decided to start trolling here as well now. Mea culpa. Moderators, please take note of asj2006's future posting behavior.
1. How exactly am I a "shill" when I don't work for any of the Blu-ray manufacturers, studios, or even a DVD shop.

2. I posted actual reviews out there. How exactly is that bad?

3. Complaining to moderators about someone who has done nothing but post external reviews is sorta personal and low, don't ya think?
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Interesting that they don't comment on the PQ of the software and yet declare the "future is blu"...
The PC advisor seems not to have even seen Hddvd//
I can put that back if you'd like. The future still is blu, it just turns out to be little farther in the future than many of us thought. ;)
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"partial" actual reviews to be accurate...

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Funny, I was just in my local BB and all 3 of the Samsungs are still sitting on the shelf. They don't even have a display set up yet. The players have been sitting there for days now. When the Toshibas came out, they were gone the first two days.
Must be because toshiba shipped only 10,000 total so far? And yet, the local Best Buy at Rockaway Mall, NJ still has its Toshiba, sitting along with all the other DVD players while the Blu-ray has pride of place near the front with its own stage ;-)
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While navigation might be fast once you have the menu up, to GET the menu, it's very slow and you have to pause the movie (unlike HD-DVD).
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There does seem to be a disconnect between the reviews posted (Positive review of the Panny burner in April, and the incomplete review of Sammy vs. Tosh) and the conclusion that:

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the reviews are starting to come in and it looks like Toshiba's HD-DVD is going like the Dodos
along with posting only 2/3 rds of the review that was available.
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Those are also hopeful reviews, that hadn't actually seen the Blu Discs at the time they were written.
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I can put that back if you'd like. The future still is blu, it just turns out to be little farther in the future than many of us thought. ;)
..or how about "The Picture just Blew..."
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I can't even FIND the review on the PCWorld site...
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Don't you love it when your consumer products start needed UPDATES..What next? The blue-screen of death :rolleyes:

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(from videobusiness dat cam)

Samsung spokesman Jose Cardona said the company expects to have players in 2,000 storefronts, including the Best Buy and Circuit City chains, by its June 25 launch. “Pre-orders have been incredible,†he said.

Bjorn’s, a consumer electronics superstore in Texas, will have 10 Samsung players at launch and plans side-by-side demonstrations of Blu-ray and HD DVD in order to objectively sell the competing formats.

In other high-definition DVD news:

• Toshiba is offering firmware upgrades to address certain glitches with its HD DVD players. Owners of Toshiba models HD-XA1, HD-A1 and HD-D1 can access the upgrade by using their players’ high-speed Internet Ethernet connection and logging onto www.tacp.toshiba.com/dvd/hddvd.asp or by getting a disc in the mail. The downloaded software should improve problems associated with the players’ HDMI connectivity, which allows for maximized video quality. Image pixilation and noise interruptions during disc playback also should be resolved.

• Universal Studios Home Entertainment is moving to a lower price point for most of its HD DVD titles. July 11 releases Friday Night Lights and Pitch Black will be the first to debut at $29.98. Until now, Universal had been releasing titles from its library on HD DVD at $34.98. All titles released to date will be priced at $29.98 beginning Aug. 8. However, the studio’s first dual format HD DVD/standard-DVD releases, Aug. 8’s National Lampoon’s Animal House and Unleashed, will carry the $34.98 price point.
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Who IS this guy?

or as we would say back in NYC...
"Who IS this f*ckin' guy?!?!?"
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Don't you love it when your consumer products start needed UPDATES..What next? The blue-screen of death :rolleyes:

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Samsung spokesman Jose Cardona said the company expects to have players in 2,000 storefronts, including the Best Buy and Circuit City chains, by its June 25 launch. “Pre-orders have been incredible,†he said.

Bjorn’s, a consumer electronics superstore in Texas, will have 10 Samsung players at launch and plans side-by-side demonstrations of Blu-ray and HD DVD in order to objectively sell the competing formats.

In other high-definition DVD news:

• Toshiba is offering firmware upgrades to address certain glitches with its HD DVD players. Owners of Toshiba models HD-XA1, HD-A1 and HD-D1 can access the upgrade by using their players’ high-speed Internet Ethernet connection and logging onto www.tacp.toshiba.com/dvd/hddvd.asp or by getting a disc in the mail. The downloaded software should improve problems associated with the players’ HDMI connectivity, which allows for maximized video quality. Image pixilation and noise interruptions during disc playback also should be resolved.

• Universal Studios Home Entertainment is moving to a lower price point for most of its HD DVD titles. July 11 releases Friday Night Lights and Pitch Black will be the first to debut at $29.98. Until now, Universal had been releasing titles from its library on HD DVD at $34.98. All titles released to date will be priced at $29.98 beginning Aug. 8. However, the studio’s first dual format HD DVD/standard-DVD releases, Aug. 8’s National Lampoon’s Animal House and Unleashed, will carry the $34.98 price point.
1. What do you expect Samsung to say?
2. A side by side comparison is not what BD needs unless they plan on BD vs. DVD. If they really want to make an impression use VHS on a black and white tv.
3. Firmware upgrades are a good thing
4. Lower movie prices are a good thing
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