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post #181 of 191 Old 01-15-2007, 09:50 AM
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well sony is in big trouble and with the ps3
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post #182 of 191 Old 01-15-2007, 10:02 AM
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I do hope, however, for BD to fail just due to its high cost players and inconsistencies of PQ.



Yeah, because first generation DVD players were so cheap; because first generation laserdisc players were so cheap; because first generation D-VHS decks were so cheap;

Every new technology comes at a cost - and that cost is higher the more innovative it is. And invariably, that cost drops as production increases and time goes on.

And before you roll out the first gen Toshiba HD-DVD player being cheap ($500) - I spent $99 more and got a BD player and a free game machine too.

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David - are you one of those people that act as if the 20GB PS3 doesn't exist?
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My first DVD player on the first day of release in March 1997 (Panasonic DVD-A300) was purchased for a mere US$500. My first LD player bought in 1983 was about US$500 (admittedly not first gen but still one of the first).

PS: I bought the first gen Toshiba on its first day of release in Canada for a mere US$400. Only AFTER more than 6 month LATER, I can get PS3 for US$600. So to me, I will still have to pay 50% more for something that at best equals HD DVD. That US$200 difference equals to another 10 movies for me to enjoy... and I can enjoy them 6 months earlier.

You see, this is the uneducated FUD that I hate which rapes my eyes on both forums. You found a cheap HD-DVD player for well below MSRP, good for you. If you can't be unbiased then don't be so obvious in a BD forum.

Your post is basically a mishmash of irrelevant anecdotes. I don't think anyone cares what DVD players you bought x years ago. Really. You pretend that you are an early adopter and then you bash whatever you didn't adopt. So, if you hate the PS3 the HDDVD forum is the other way. If you actually have something insightful or constructive to say then by all means tell us.
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David - are you one of those people that act as if the 20GB PS3 doesn't exist?

Kindly read my post CAREFULLY:

"... and I can enjoy them 6 months earlier."

When I talk about being an early adopter, I'm REALLY talking about early adopter such as "get it on the first day it's available" kind of early.

PS: 20 Gb PS3 does NOT exist anywhere in my area. There are quite a number of 60 Gb available, but not the 20 Gb. So the choice for people like me is to spend (right here, right now, right this moment) US$400 for an HDA2 or US$600 for the 60 Gb PS3 or US$900 for ye' olde Samsung or the new Philips standalone.

PPS: let's not talk about internet pricing because being in Canada, that means no support, no warranty, sometimes even no service whatsoever will be given (in the case of Nikon cameras, etc).

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So... what it seems is that to me, the player you wanted has demand that outstrips supplies. Ironically... it's the PS3!

You're falling into the same old PS3-bashing trap of early December: PS3 doesn't even count because it has too few supplies, you can't find them. (So, in essence you don't believe the 20GB PS3 'exists')

But, when they do exist, and are available... these things are "selling terribly," and "nobody wants them." Does that about sum it up? PS3's not in stores = irrelevent. PS3's in stores = failure.
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You see, this is the uneducated FUD that I hate which rapes my eyes on both forums. You found a cheap HD-DVD player for well below MSRP, good for you. If you can't be unbiased then don't be so obvious in a BD forum.

Your post is basically a mishmash of irrelevant anecdotes. I don't think anyone cares what DVD players you bought x years ago. Really. You pretend that you are an early adopter and then you bash whatever you didn't adopt. So, if you hate the PS3 the HDDVD forum is the other way. If you actually have something insightful or constructive to say then by all means tell us.

I'm buying HD DVD player and PS3 for me, not for anybody else from this forum. I can get (actually most people can too) get HD-A2 for US$400 but I can NOT get a 60 Gb PS3 for less than US$600 (if I want proper Canadian warranty and support).

I'm quoting and making my decisions based on the best price I can get within my requirement set (ie. carries Canadian warranty and support).

PS: You think you're so insightful you know the content of my house? Who says I didn't adopt BD? Kindly come to my house right now to see my Samsung BD player (bought on the first day of release in Canada) and my 60 Gb PS3 (pre-ordered and received on the first day of release in Canada too... unfortunately for my daughter to play DDR)

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how is the pq the same when the br's currently output 1080p and the hd-dvd's dont?

or do the standalone ones output 1080p native now? i'm pretty sure the hd-dvd addon for the xbox doesn't
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do we always have to go back with the explanation that none of the BD player do 1080p straight through output but instead they're internally outputting 1080i and then de-interlaced by the player itself? There is no difference in PQ until the player itself do a 1080p straight-through output.

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do we always have to go back with the explanation that none of the BD player do 1080p straight through output but instead they're internally outputting 1080i and then de-interlaced by the player itself? There is no difference in PQ until the player itself do a 1080p straight-through output.

The Sony and Elite have source mode, i.e. they read and output whatever is on the disc.
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The context of my post is comparisons of all the players I have. I don't know about Sony pricing in Canada, but Elite pricing is about US$450 higher than HD-XA2 which also does 1080p PLUS SD DVD upconversion using Raeon chip.

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