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Nice review Josh. Here

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No link. Went there myself, no review.
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Sorry about that. Too many webesites. :o

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What are you talking about? There's a big write-up on the front page, a blurb on almost every forum page, a link on most sidebars of the page, a block of the review index dedicated to Blu-ray, a link at the top of the review index page, and then this page with nothing but Blu-ray reviews.
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...and software reviews as well.
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Pretty good review. Sums it up in a nutshell about the differences between the two formats. I hope the Blu-Ray engineers can get it together. Sounds like they have an uphill battle at this point.

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agree 100% on the conclusions.
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It was an excellent review. Nice review of the movies as well.
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*wince*

That's the most unflattering review of Blu-Ray I've seen yet. Glad to see an outlet that isn't afraid to call 'em as they see 'em.

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Great review. Thanks for not sugar coating.
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the reviewer posts here and I could have assumed his review just by his posts here. Needless to say it's biased but you can have a dig at it.
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the reviewer posts here and I could have assumed his review just by his posts here. Needless to say it's biased but you can have a dig at it.
If by biased you mean brutally honest then ok. ;)

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the reviewer posts here and I could have assumed his review just by his posts here. Needless to say it's biased but you can have a dig at it.
Quite possibly has a slightly biased tone, but you cant argue with the findings.
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the reviewer posts here and I could have assumed his review just by his posts here. Needless to say it's biased but you can have a dig at it.

Agreed, you can't possibly talk up the Blu-ray hype without mentioning PS3...
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Nice review Josh. Here

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"More debatable is an issue seen in all of the initial Lionsgate titles that have opted to include regular DTS audio instead of PCM. When you choose the DTS soundtrack, the video becomes noticeably jerky, a problem that goes away if you choose Dolby Digital instead."

I have yet to experience this NOTICEABLY JERKY video. I watched T2 with the DTS soundtrack and experienced no jerky video.
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I've seen it. Other have to. So if many are seeing it then there must be an issue.

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The Samsung player comes packaged with a cardboard counter display (we're supposed to set this up in our homes?) that advertises its "Full HD 1080p" output.
Well, at least we get that.
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That review lines up with what I've been reading elsewhere and why I have not jumped onto the Blu-ray bandwagon yet.

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I think DVD Talk is the best site to get DVD reviews, even if they didn't enjoy the content of the movie itself.

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I can certainly understand this review.

However, based on some additional items I have seen (a demo disk, Ultraviolet), I am inclining to think that the disks, not the Samsung player, are more responsible for the problems. As the reviewer points out, it is using the same Broadcom chip.

Of course both players (Toshiba and Samsung) have an assortment of audio and 720P issues which need to be ignored for the present.

This may leave us with two very similar players, one of which costs twice as much! However, it seems fairly clear that the Toshiba is heavily subsidiized in comparison to the Samsung, leaving us in a similar situation on the player side.

Even so, after factoring in all of the possible explanations and apologies, the failure to produce visually compelling launch titles is a big black eye for Sony. Let's hope that things improve quickly.
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This may leave us with two very similar players, one of which costs twice as much! However, it seems fairly clear that the Toshiba is heavily subsidiized in comparison to the Samsung, leaving us in a similar situation on the player side.

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Besides the iSuppli guesstimate about Toshiba's BoM, and the numerous sites parroting that one guesstimate, do you have any other sources to prove it clearly that the Toshiba is indeed "heavily subsidized" ??
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the reviewer posts here and I could have assumed his review just by his posts here. Needless to say it's biased but you can have a dig at it.
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It was an excellent review. Nice review of the movies as well.
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Nice job, Josh.

I would hope even BD fans want a fire lit under the BDA's hindquarters. Glossing over the problems will just perpetuate the status quo - and the status quo is bad news for the BDA.
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spot on.

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Do you have areview of Lord of War up yet? I'm hearing good things there, which is plus considering it is a 2hr movie.

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Good review.

Seems the specific performance shortfalls most attributable to the Samsung player are the audio processing limitations and the mediocre upscaling of SD DVDs. Most of the other limitations or issues apply to the DVDs (compression, quality of the transfer) rather than the Samsung player.

Therefore, relating the question of waiting for the Pioneer and passing on the Samsung, it seems to me that if the Pioneer were available today with the same existing DVDs, an objective review would be making the most of the same conclusions with the Pioneer.
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Josh, why do you feel the sammy should be set to 1080i for a 720 projector?? Ive read the post about the toshiba being better off that way, but this is the first I heard of it for the samsung. On my setup, I feel the 720 is better. Dont have any proof to back up why.... I just feel it looks smoother. Just curious how you determined that..... thanks
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I laughed out loud at this part:

"When you do want to listen to a PCM soundtrack, your connection options are HDMI to a compatible receiver or 5.1 analog (PCM requires too much bandwidth for a Toslink or coaxial connection, and will be downconverted to 2 channels if you try to use those options). For multi-channel analog, the BD-P1000 has some serious limitations. While the player will allow you to set your speaker types to Large or Small, it has no ability to adjust speaker distances or volumes. Test tones are nonetheless available anyway, but Samsung programmed them incorrectly so that the tones come from the wrong speakers. And since the player has no internal DD 5.1 or DTS decoders for the analog outputs, you can't use a DVD calibration disc either."

I just love how the rabid BRers are absolutely positive that the Sammy is better, and then you read stuff like this. :cool:
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I can't believe that the Sammy doesn't pillarbox SD extras. I mean, that's really fricken stupid! Talk about begging people to return the stupid thing!
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