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watch all 400k of them be the cheap version without HDMI... now that would be funny.
I need to find the link but 80% of the PS3 will be the 60 GB model with HDMI.

I believe 75% of XBox 360's were the Premium model also.

Sorry to burst your bubble. :)
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I need to find the link but 80% of the PS3 will be the 60 GB model with HDMI.

I believe 75% of XBox 360's were the Premium model also.

Sorry to burst your bubble. :)
That's great. But it's not sure that Sony will release 400K players of any kind by Nov 17th or whatever the current date is....JMHO.
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FWIW Sony has been showing functioning demos on their BD player (slated to be released 2 weeks before the PS3) since May 24th! You'd think they'd be at least able to demo a product that is supposed to be in full fledged production now :confused:

Really makes me wonder what is going on here....
The Tokyo Game Show is this week. 27 playable demos of launch titles for the PS3, running on PS3s.

The focus of course won't be Blu-Ray titles released in Japan. But maybe they'll show 'em Japanese gamers how to maximize their PS3s by playing HD movies on them.

Exciting week for BD this week. The TGS and eight official movie releases - The Big Hit, Dinosaur, Eight Below, The Great Raid, Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back, A Knight's Tale, S.W.A.T. and Tears of the Sun.


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msanti- that quote is from an anonymous person in the management staff of sony and had no time frame in it. sony could very well plan to release an 80 to 20 ratio for the year but I highly doubt it for launch with 1.3 hdmi chips being a scarce commodity.
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and 10 mill already installed you can bet ms has sony right where they want them.
FWIW, there is not an installed base of 10 million Xbox 360 users, hell i'd be surprised if the user base is even 5 million worlwide by now.

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The Tokyo Game Show is this week. 27 playable demos of launch titles for the PS3, running on PS3s.

The focus of course won't be Blu-Ray titles released in Japan. But maybe they'll show 'em Japanese gamers how to maximize their PS3s by playing HD movies on them.

Exciting week for BD this week. The TGS and eight official movie releases - The Big Hit, Dinosaur, Eight Below, The Great Raid, Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back, A Knight's Tale, S.W.A.T. and Tears of the Sun.


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Doesn't instill a lot of confidence if this player is expected to save the format! By playable you mean, anyone can walk in and play these games on PS3 consoles sitting there. Right?
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gooki they officially sold 5 mill about 3 or 4 months ago. don't have the figures in front of me. ms is projected to sell 10 mill and that was before the ps3 shortage was even announced.
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Doesn't instill a lot of confidence if this player is expected to save the format! By playable you mean, anyone can walk in and play these games on PS3 consoles sitting there. Right?

It depends on whether or not you walk in encased in glass or not :)
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gooki they officially sold 5 mill about 3 or 4 months ago. don't have the figures in front of me. ms is projected to sell 10 mill and that was before the ps3 shortage was even announced.

No they havent, you mean they officially shiped that number but they havent sell it.

They have sold (in USA) :
2.412.601M Until August

And in Europe:

1.3 million Till August\\

In Japan they have:

140.493 360 sold.

others:

150.000 consoles being generous.

So no, they dont have a 5 millions user base and I highly doubt they will sell 10 millions of 360 (WW) by the end of the year not even with a price cut.

ohh and the other thing... M$ is proyected to ship 10M of 360.
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ok dante shipped means sold and here is why. sure it might take a few weeks but people have to order those units as replacements to others sold. so you saying that ms shipped its consoles 2 months ago and hasn't shipped anything since? also I should believe you over MS why? do you somehow have access to their global sales figures? 10 mill is easily attainable with sony dropping the ball. its common sense imo.

your numbers also don't count other territories that the 360 sells in.
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gooki they officially sold 5 mill about 3 or 4 months ago. don't have the figures in front of me. ms is projected to sell 10 mill and that was before the ps3 shortage was even announced.
Actually, they offically shipped 5 million units - very different than having 5 million units in house holds.

Edit... carrying on from here, most companies are lucky to have inventory turns of more than 4x per year, so it is possible no major numbers of units have been shipped/sold since their last sales figures.

Japan is the only country i have figures for, I know the xbox 360 doesn't sell well there, but lets presuem it's all relative.

So Japan has a total of 70,000 xbox 360s sold this year.
Sales for the last three months are 14,000
Last 3 months equates = 5% of this years sales.

In turn I wouldn't be surprised 5% of total untis sold is close to the ammount they(MS, and their associated distributors and retailers) cary in inventory.

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ok dante shipped means sold and here is why. sure it might take a few weeks but people have to order those units as replacements to others sold. so you saying that ms shipped its consoles 2 months ago and hasn't shipped anything since? also I should believe you over MS why? do you somehow have access to their global sales figures? 10 mill is easily attainable with sony dropping the ball. its common sense imo.

your numbers also don't count other territories that the 360 sells in.
You said they sold 5 millions of 360 months ago that its just wrong (very), they will sell 5 millions i dont they dont but not yet, shiped means shiped and sold means sold (to the customer) thats all. i was talking about units sold to the users not about their shipped 360 numbers, well if you are talking about shiped units you should believe M$ if you are talking about units sold to the customer you should believe to (NPD and MC) that are my sources. yeah its common sense they have around 3.9-4.1 millions of 360 WW and they will sell 6 millions of 360 by Xmas (without japan.....) ohh yeah good luck with that.
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Doesn't instill a lot of confidence if this player is expected to save the format!
The PS3 is a lot of things. It is expected to boost the format but it is still primarily a game console. And it is Tokyo Game Show, so the heavy emphasis on BD movie playback is unlikely.

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By playable you mean, anyone can walk in and play these games on PS3 consoles sitting there. Right?
Yes. There would be long queues though.


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gooki they officially sold 5 mill about 3 or 4 months ago. don't have the figures in front of me. ms is projected to sell 10 mill and that was before the ps3 shortage was even announced.
Cleary from your false statement you don't have the figures in front of you :p
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brian its already been stated that it was shipped not sold yet to me those words are the same for reasons I staed earlier. simply because you wish/want something not to be true doesn't mean its false.

dante- So by your argument ms will ship 10 mill but only sell 6 mill? so where are the other 4 million? in some wharehouse tht doesn't belong to MS? hardly. also like I said earlier you don't have the whole picture and are obviously biased since you are unable to even say microsoft without the M$.
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gooki they officially sold 5 mill about 3 or 4 months ago. don't have the figures in front of me. ms is projected to sell 10 mill and that was before the ps3 shortage was even announced.
What I want has nothing to do with it. Your statement is blatantly false.

Honestly I wish more units would have sold, and more games sold. That would equal more money for developers and lend to more games it may also attract more support which would be a good thing :)
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On a more related note, it seems that there are a few games that will be 1080p on PS3. From 1Up.com

http://media.1up.com/media?id=3031263
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At its press event in Tokyo yesterday, Sega revealed, or rather boasted, that Virtua Tennis 3 runs in 1080p on the PS3. Displaying the game on slick HD sets with 1080p placards next to them, it looked absolutely glorious in high-res.

This makes Virtua Tennis 3 the second PS3 title confirmed to run in 1080p, next to Gran Turismo HD, and demonstrates that third party publishers are able to achieve what's been dubbed the holy grail of full HD on PS3. Sony has touted the PS3's ability to render 1080p images as a large benefit over the Xbox 360, which is incapable of generating them at such a resolution.
http://media.1up.com/media?id=3031262
Playable demo of Virtua Tennis.

Since it was a press event, there was no need for a glass enclosure.


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On a more related note, it seems that there are a few games that will be 1080p on PS3. From 1Up.com

http://media.1up.com/media?id=3031263
Sega's press event



http://media.1up.com/media?id=3031262
Playable demo of Virtua Tennis.

Since it was a press event, there was no need for a glass enclosure.


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I know which version I'll be playing, that goes for The Darkness, etc:D
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It has been projected by March 07 2 mil PS3 will be in the wild

I for one own a HiDef Tv and I also have spread the word about HiDef at the offical sony PS3 forum
so for someone to actually say this is just plain retarded

"And you really believe that every person that gets that 500,000 shipment has the capability to playback BR? YES
I can believe that if they announce how many BR movies are actually sold during that period. But you got to be kidding yourself in saying this when we all know every person getting that shipment of PS3's doesn't have an HDTV." You dont have to actually have a HD tv to watch BluRay granted it makes more scents to have one it isnt a requirement

Just more MS Toshiba Spin

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brian-ms has plenty of support equal to that of sony. your intents are thinly vieled. my statemet isn't blatantly false but it is open for debate as to actually how many are technicly sold. imo its ridiculous to expect even 20% of total shipped units to not be as that would be an absolute ton of backstock. as for tites sold ms is doing great with an avg of 4 per console. dead rising sold 500k in the us alone in its first two weeks. not to get off topic just don't like spin.
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brian-ms has plenty of support equal to that of sony. your intents are thinly vieled. my statemet isn't blatantly false but it is open for debate as to actually how many are technicly sold.
Technically, "sold" would be the exchange of money for goods or services. Even if it was US$5, it would be considered sold.

Shipped on the other hand means going from warehouse to warehouse to stockrooms.

Bartered means the exchange of goods or services for other goods or services. Best Buy stopped that practice back in the 80s but some Wal-Marts still do that.

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imo its ridiculous to expect even 20% of total shipped units to not be as that would be an absolute ton of backstock.
I don't expect anything. But I don't expect to equate "shipped" with "sold".


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PS3 will have HDMI 1.3

This needs a new connector correct?

Sony will not be selling a HDMI cable with the system.

So where will people get one?
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Brian and Write,

Here is Microsoft's projections reported on TeamXBOX on August 15, 2006.

http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/11557/...-and-Forecast/

Essentially, by christmas they expect to ship 10 million units.

Here is a link stating that MS has sold approximately 5 million units as of July. Notice the word sold in both the title and the text. That is sold, as in exchange of goods for money

http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=13296

Do you need more proof?

Brianmonkey, I believe you owe gatti-man an apology for saying that his statement regarding XBOX 360 sales was blantantly false. You have in the link, a summary of part of MSs offical earnings statement as of July 20, 2006.


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true you dont need a HDTV to watch BR. You dont need one to watch HD DVD either. But what is the point. It wont look much better than standard DVD.
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PS3 will have HDMI 1.3

This needs a new connector correct?

Sony will not be selling a HDMI cable with the system.

So where will people get one?
My personal favorite is the Silver Serpent from bettercables.com:

http://www.bettercables.com/index.as...ATS&Category=3

Other alternatives:

monoprice.com - cheap but fairly good quality
http://www.monoprice.com/products/su...d=10240&style=

bluejeanscable.com - more expensive but definitely good quality
http://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/dvi/index.htm
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don't know why people are miffed about the no hdmi cable included. I have hdmi cables out the wazoo. they are cheap as long as you don't go to bb or cc.

george king- thanks for the support. its hard for me to post links etc right now bc my connection has been down and I'm posting from m cell phone lol.
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Brian and Write,

Here is Microsoft's projections reported on TeamXBOX on August 15, 2006.

http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/11557/...-and-Forecast/

Essentially, by christmas they expect to ship 10 million units.

Here is a link stating that MS has sold approximately 5 million units as of July. Notice the word sold in both the title and the text. That is sold, as in exchange of goods for money

http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=13296

Do you need more proof?

Brianmonkey, I believe you owe gatti-man an apology for saying that his statement regarding XBOX 360 sales was blantantly false. You have in the link, a summary of part of MSs offical earnings statement as of July 20, 2006.


Gundyrat,

true you dont need a HDTV to watch BR. You dont need one to watch HD DVD either. But what is the point. It wont look much better than standard DVD.
my money saids he will stop posting here now....alot of folks do that they just stop posting after they been proven wrong :D
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