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Just wondering if anyone has got there hands on a panny yet?
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Just checked my pre-order with Tweeter. They've told me to expect the player on October 15th.
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there are some people has received the pany today in paris...they has tested with Underworld 2 and Fifth element and the PQ is quite good...this time they said it can be compared with HD DVD pq :)
Pany has kept their promise!
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I hope so since this is my Bluray player of choice (that is if I decide to get one)... SO far though, I see no reason to support Bluray until atleast 2007. With Pirates of The Carribean 2 not coming out or Cars what is the point? Next year maybe they will have come down a little in price anyway.

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it's true ! what is disapointed is the next gen will be more complete and cheaper...fyi, the pany in paris is zone B :( :o
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Tweeter has my pre-order scheduled for delivery on October 13th. We shall see...
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I may try and get one sooner so I can atleast compare it with my HD DVD player. Sounds like a good plan. Of course I will also be feeding it into a VP50...

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Ultimate Electronics in Boulder, CO has the Panasonic DMP-BD10 Blu-ray in stock and out on display. Probably at the other UE stores also.
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it's true ! what is disapointed is the next gen will be more complete and cheaper...fyi, the pany in paris is zone B :( :o
So when is Blu-Ray region coding going to be hacked? This is a joke ....Australia is launching effectively next month with a whopping 4 titles...unless multi-region capability is unlocked i won't be buying a blu-ray player in a Region B country when all the titles are in Region A...
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there are some people has received the pany today in paris...they has tested with Underworld 2 and Fifth element and the PQ is quite good...this time they said it can be compared with HD DVD pq :)
Pany has kept their promise!
Underworld: Evolution is good demo material for sharpness, but I hardly think Fifth Element would show off what a decent Blu-ray player is capable of.
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there are some people has received the pany today in paris...they has tested with Underworld 2 and Fifth element and the PQ is quite good...this time they said it can be compared with HD DVD pq :)
Pany has kept their promise!


Do you have a link i where we can check it out?

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Local Tweeter told me the Panasonics are in stock @ their warehouse and that I can pick my player up on Monday...
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Local Tweeter told me the Panasonics are in stock @ their warehouse and that I can pick my player up on Monday...
Yep... I just got the same info. Dammit! I want it now!
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I want to be able to do a good A/B with the Sammy unit. That will be crucial...

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So, has anyone put their hands on the Panny yet?
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So, has anyone put their hands on the Panny yet?
I put my hands on myself all the time...doesn't everyone?
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Without starting the whole debate again. Is there any advantage either way relative to the best audio quality using HDMI vs 7.1 analog? My receiver (Sony STR-DA3200 ES) has both.

Perhaps I misremembered.

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The only thing that would concern me, is that if you are sending it via HDMI, the decoded analog signal must be put back to digital to go over HDMI, and then converted back to analog over in the receiver. If you used the analog outs, that should be one less conversion, and possibly, a better signal.
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The only thing that would concern me, is that if you are sending it via HDMI, the decoded analog signal must be put back to digital to go over HDMI, and then converted back to analog over in the receiver. If you used the analog outs, that should be one less conversion, and possibly, a better signal.
If you are using HDMI the signal is purely digital until your AV/R or Pre/Pro decodes it. There is no double conversion from digital to analogue to digital, as you suggest. If you use the analogue outs, then the player converts from digital to analogue and, assuming the A/VR has an 'Analogue Direct' or 'Pure Analogue' mode or whatever the equivalent, there is no further conversion to digital and then back to analogue.

The decision must then be made - does your A/VR sound better converting the signal, or does the player? It's all about which has the better combination of DACs and analogue stage, because they both matter, not just one or the other.

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If you are using HDMI the signal is purely digital until your AV/R or Pre/Pro decodes it. There is no double conversion from digital to analogue to digital, as you suggest.

The decision must then be made - does your A/VR sound better converting the signal, or does the player? It's all about which has the better combination of DACs and analogue stage, because they both matter, not just one or the other.
I thought he was talking about sending PCM over HDMI rather than over analog out. I appoligize for the confusion if I was wrong.
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I thought he was talking about sending PCM over HDMI rather than over analog out. I appoligize for the confusion if I was wrong.
Even if he were, sending PCM over HDMI means the signal stays digital until the A/VR decodes it. All the player is doing is taking the digital signal and converting it to PCM and sending it via HDMI. The only time you are getting a conversion from digital to analogue inside the player is if you are using the 7.1 analogue outs.

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The decision must then be made - does your A/VR sound better converting the signal, or does the player? It's all about which has the better combination of DACs and analogue stage, because they both matter, not just one or the other.

I'm confused by this...
If the player's 7.1 analogue outputs are being used, why would the AVR's DACs or "stage" matter?
Wouldn't the player's DACs be doing all of the work and the AVR's DACs be idle? :confused:

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he is talking about the owner making the decision to either decode in the AVR or in the player. If you decode in the player, then no, the AVR DAC's don't get involved.

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I don't know about DACs or stages or PCM vs Bitstream for that matter. That is for you experts. I just want your opinion as to whether one way is any better than the other. The receiver is a Sony STR-DA3200ES and the Bluray is a Panny. Both have 7.1 analogue in/outputs and HDMI. I am currently using the HDMI and I think it sounds great. Just want to make sure that I am getting the best possible audio. Thanks for the input so far.

Perhaps I misremembered.

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I'm confused by this...
If the player's 7.1 analogue outputs are being used, why would the AVR's DACs or "stage" matter?
Wouldn't the player's DACs be doing all of the work and the AVR's DACs be idle? :confused:
I'm talking about the players DACs and analogue stage when using the analogue outs in comparison to the A/VRs DACs and analogue stage when using the HDMI outs, obviously. :) Meaning, which setup may result in the best sound - HDMI through A/VR DACs or 7.1 outs to the A/VR - depends on the combination of those things in either unit.

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I don't know about DACs or stages or PCM vs Bitstream for that matter. That is for you experts. I just want your opinion as to whether one way is any better than the other. The receiver is a Sony STR-DA3200ES and the Bluray is a Panny. Both have 7.1 analogue in/outputs and HDMI. I am currently using the HDMI and I think it sounds great. Just want to make sure that I am getting the best possible audio. Thanks for the input so far.

Well, that is the opinion I was trying to offer. There is no clear way of saying whether one way is better than the other, because it al;l depends on the quality and ability of each unit. Ultimately it will be up to you to decide which sounds better.

Perhaps the one advantage to using HDMI would be better bass management and time alignment settings in the A/VR? Why not try listening to the player both ways, and then make a decision?

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he is talking about the owner making the decision to either decode in the AVR or in the player. If you decode in the player, then no, the AVR DAC's don't get involved.

Exactly. :)

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he is talking about the owner making the decision to either decode in the AVR or in the player. If you decode in the player, then no, the AVR DAC's don't get involved.
Right, OK, I just misunderstood the poster. ;)

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