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But aside from the $100 price cut of the PS3, and the addition of HDMI 1.3 to the $400 player, there hasn't been a lot of good news about the PS3. But if by some remote chance the PS3's are hanging around in stores (doubtful), I'll probably pick up the cheaper model as long as they don't bundle it. Seeing I paid $364 for the HD-A1, a blu-ray player at $400 isn't a bad deal.
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i'm sure the first 2million ones coming this year will all be snatched up for the holidays. Good luck finding one, hell I even had trouble finding a damn nintendo ds last dec. I'd be lucky if i can even get one before feb.
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I'm tempted to get the PS3 as my first BR player.
Being risk adverse, I would like to see some reviews on it as a BR player before taking the plunge. The problem is that, by the time the reviews come out, the shelves will be empty (and will likely stay that way for months)...
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You are widely off the mark (and somewhat confusing with your 11% share). In 2006 more HDTVs are being sold than SD in the US. Also by the end of '06, 30 to 35% of US households will have a HDTV.
HDTV marketshare really doesn't matter, the only thing that matters for BR and HD-DVD is total number of HDTVs, which basically defines the size of the BR/HD-DVD market.

That 35% is an estimate. The "known" values I saw were as of the start of 2006. It said 15% of US homes had a least 1 HDTV, 11% of those had more than 1, and about 50% of the HDTVs in the world were in the US.

One important peice of information that most people in this forum aren't considering: What % of people even know that DVDs are SD only? Never mind those people that bought an HDTV but don't really get a hi-def picture and have no clue that they aren't. There's still a BIG HDTV learning curve to go through for the general public.
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You are widely off the mark (and somewhat confusing with your 11% share). In 2006 more HDTVs are being sold than SD in the US. Also by the end of '06, 30 to 35% of US households will have a HDTV.
Says who? Post above mine is the #'s I've seen.

That wasn't my point, the point was why are sales in HDTVs surging? Simple, price. They've gotten into the range where the average buyer can afford them - around $1,000.

Same applies to everything else, it's all about the $$$$$

It's just my opinion & it's worth exactly what you paid for it.
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You are simply rehashing the "my console is better than yours" talking points.
Really, what are the talking points and which is the other console ? :p

When someone talks about a $500 bd player, then this needs to be said. You can't easily get one for a few more months. Sony would hope.
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That 35% is an estimate. The "known" values I saw were as of the start of 2006. It said 15% of US homes had a least 1 HDTV, 11% of those had more than 1, and about 50% of the HDTVs in the world were in the US.
I've seen some updates from CEA and others that I've posted earlier.

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One important peice of information that most people in this forum aren't considering: What % of people even know that DVDs are SD only? Never mind those people that bought an HDTV but don't really get a hi-def picture and have no clue that they aren't. There's still a BIG HDTV learning curve to go through for the general public.
We have talked about these at length. Search and you will see ...

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http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&&#post7836105
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"But aside from the $100 price cut of the PS3, and the addition of HDMI 1.3 to the $400 player, there hasn't been a lot of good news about the PS3. But if by some remote chance the PS3's are hanging around in stores (doubtful), I'll probably pick up the cheaper model as long as they don't bundle it. Seeing I paid $364 for the HD-A1, a blu-ray player at $400 isn't a bad deal."

Thats only in Japan and price is 47,600 yen or 410 bucks no 400. No other country, city, state will see the cut. That came from the man himself. The only reason Sony did this is because the Wii was going to ghetto stomp it in the region, no in ands or butts about it. It most likely still will but that can be saved for another day. Also why the hell are people spitting out jibberish about HDMI improving PQ on the PS3 like its some kind of saving grace and will processes all the video in pristine quality. Last time I checked its a port with minimal improvements over component. Also someone had mentioned college students will being using the ps3 to watch movies on their HDTV's. Wrong! being a college student myself I'm the only one with HDTV or even any kind of resceptable A/V equipment. All my friend have 27-32 SD TV and CRT monitors.

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dood, dont buy one then. As you can see, noone has a gun cocked to your head to buy one. You can pay 100bux less for a xbox. Happy? choices are good.
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dood, dont buy one then. As you can see, noone has a gun cocked to your head to buy one. You can pay 100bux less for a xbox. Happy? choices are good.
exactly, $100 less for the xbox360 if you just want it for gaming or $100 more than the PS3 (HD gaming and movies) if you want it for gaming and HD movies.

Keep in mind the audio isn't crippled on the PS3 though with HDMI 1.3, where as according to Amir (MS exec) the audio is crippled on the xbox360 HD-DVD
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exactly, $100 less for the xbox360 if you just want it for gaming or $100 more than the PS3 (HD gaming and movies) if you want it for gaming and HD movies.

Keep in mind the audio isn't crippled on the PS3 though with HDMI 1.3, where as according to Amir (MS exec) the audio is crippled on the xbox360 HD-DVD
Yes and of course everyone has a reciever that can handle HDMI 1.3. :rolleyes:
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Yes and of course everyone has a reciever that can handle HDMI 1.3. :rolleyes:
I'd rather have something then not have it. Get the xbox, it doens't have either hd movie or hdmi. Since you like low tech.
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Yes and of course everyone has a reciever that can handle HDMI 1.3. :rolleyes:
and yes of course everyone has a HDTV! :rolleyes: or a couch :rolleyes: or a potato to hold at night :p
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Yes and of course everyone has a reciever that can handle HDMI 1.3. :rolleyes:
That's a very valid argument.

So everyone has an XBox 360 then to connect the HD-DVD add-on box to?


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Yes and of course everyone has a reciever that can handle HDMI 1.3. :rolleyes:
Even with an HDMI 1.1 AV receiver you could still get PCM audio and up to 7.1 channel Dolby TrueHD audio from Blu-ray movies with the PS3.
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Even with an HDMI 1.1 AV receiver you could still get PCM audio and up to 7.1 channel Dolby TrueHD audio from Blu-ray movies with the PS3.
Does anyone know what % of console owners use a receiver as opposed to connecting directly to the TV ?
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Yes and of course everyone has a reciever that can handle HDMI 1.3. :rolleyes:
I guess it's a bad thing to have the latest tech now :rolleyes:
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Does anyone know what % of console owners use a receiver as opposed to connecting directly to the TV ?
...probably a similar breakdown by age group of console owners. The kiddies will have the most simple setup (direct connect to tv). Teens will likely have a stereo of some sort. Young adults will likely have a full blown receiver configuration. Older will have increasingly elaborate configurations or just a simple stereo.

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...probably a similar breakdown by age group of console owners.
I'm looking for some real MR.

Considering a high % of 360s are connected to HDTVs your breakup doesn't mkae too much sense as it might with ps2 ownership. A lot of the consoled are used by multiple people in the family (dad and kids for eg). There is a big demographic shift happening in consoles ...
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Lacking the "real MR", I would not automatically presume x360 has some exclusive demographic pattern than no other console can benefit from, as well.

Technology and electronics gadgets are certainly no stranger to Playstation owners. Hdtv's and home theater-oriented receivers would certainly fall into that category.

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