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post #151 of 166 Old 01-19-2007, 04:57 PM
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thanks Kris, that is one step up on the Panny for sure, I am sure they will get to CUE

after comparing the Sony vs the Sammy in my setup yesterday, I would just about be willing to say that the Sony does NOT have CUE, almost certain of it, I was using Transporter 2 as my demo, with the HD formats one doesn't realize how bad CUE is until you see it without, very different appearance and showing vs SD DVD IMHO

we certainly need CUE free HD and BR players, it's like you take the color palette and up it by 200%, it is that much better

a good example of nice CUE free playback is the JVC 5u DVHS deck, what a HDMI output on that thing

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If we are talking here about PS3 not passing BTB and WTW for v1.32, then I can say based on my experiment yesterday that yes, PS3 still clips these signals.

On Sony BD's, the easter egg allows you to launch test patterns to check for pluge patterns as well as resolution, display overscan, color settings etc.

When I used the patterns found on UE, I could not see the 3 distinct shades of black under the RED color bar. I was only able to see a dark gray bar and when I turned the brightness on my 70" SXRD all the way up - it washed away.

According to the info. posted here, am I not supposed to see 3 distinct shades of "BLACK" - SuperBlack, Black, and somewhat Black(the bar I could see)???
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If we are talking here about PS3 not passing BTB and WTW for v1.32, then I can say based on my experiment yesterday that yes, PS3 still clips these signals.

On Sony BD's, the easter egg allows you to launch test patterns to check for pluge patterns as well as resolution, display overscan, color settings etc.

When I used the patterns found on UE, I could not see the 3 distinct shades of black under the RED color bar. I was only able to see a dark gray bar and when I turned the brightness on my 70" SXRD all the way up - it washed away.

According to the info. posted here, am I not supposed to see 3 distinct shades of "BLACK" - SuperBlack, Black, and somewhat Black(the bar I could see)???

Yes, people are hoping the supposed March firmware update will address this. I'm not holding my breath. At least it doesn't appear to be outputting PC RGB.

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Yes, people are hoping the supposed March firmware update will address this. I'm not holding my breath. At least it doesn't appear to be outputting PC RGB.

larry

How many things will Sony be fixing with this upgrade???!!?? It seems like every problem discussed here gets a holy grail answer of potential fix in the March fix?
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CUE never sucks until you see the problem and see a player that is not affected

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CUE should be fixable for the Panasonic because it didn't have it with the original firmware. I confirmed this with a player that wasn't upgraded yet compared to a newer updated one. So if firmware can cause it, it can get rid of it.

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Kris, any idea if the black and white clipping on the PS3 can be fixed via firmware?

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Kris, any idea if the black and white clipping on the PS3 can be fixed via firmware?

I don't want to answer for anyone else: But my opinion is Yes it CAN be fixed. I see no reason why it can't be. The question is will Sony make that a priority fix for their game console. I am sure they would rather have you buy a new standalone
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No reason it shouldn't be fixable.

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Back to the original post for a moment...

That measurement was taken with the PS3 in RGB mode. The new 1.3 update allows the PS3 to output Y/Cr/Cb (I'm not sure if 4:2:2 or 4:4:4). That may make a difference. Will a retest be in order?

I have the PS3 and love it. Looking foward to the 1080p24 update and, hopefully, the ability to downscale/upscale all material to any desired setting like 720P, 1080i, or 720P. I'd like to run native 720P into my 720P PJ to avoid bobbing deinterlacing from 1080i signals until I can upgrade to a native 1920 x 1080 projector for 1080p.

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Are you planning to run the tests on PS3 in Y/Cb/Cr mode? It would be interesting to see if those generate any different results.

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Would love to, but it won't play my test disc (BD-RE). I believe Stacey's is BD-R and it will play that one, so maybe he can do it.

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Sorry to bump up this old thread, but I am very confused by Stacey Spears' first post:

Is the most accurate setting (i.e. Rec.709 colorspace) obtained by setting HDMI output to RGB or YCbCr?
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For one, the measurements are very old and some of the issues have been fixed with subsequent firmware. RGB vs YCbCr shouldn't affect the output color space.

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For one, the measurements are very old and some of the issues have been fixed with subsequent firmware. RGB vs YCbCr shouldn't affect the output color space.

larry

I saw these posts in another thread that suggest that YCbCr is preferable:

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Also, if you are PS3 user you will always want to use Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr for this simple fact:

Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr Super-White enables the PS3 to pass BTB and WTW with Blu-ray. BTB and WTW are never passed with Blu-ray when set to RGB.

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Best PS3 settings for displays that accept Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr over HDMI:

Output - Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr
RGB Full Range - Limited
Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr Super-White - On

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Thanks for that info, dc_pilgrim.
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Actually, I use RGB on my PS3 and it passes BTB and WTW just fine with limited range and super white on. However, I'm still running the first FW version that fixed the clipping. When newer versions came out I recall discussion about how behavior changed. I never upgraded because "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". If the PS3 is working correctly, it shouldn't matter if you pick RGB or YCbCr. Just 2 different ways to describe the same pixel info.

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