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pife, see here: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=772658
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pife, see here: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=772658

Thanks - I got it. We were posting at the same time.

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I see some mention on PAGE 8.

This player is not compatible with BD-R/RE, DVD-R/RW
(VR mode), DVD-Audio, DVD-RAM, CDs

Sony says they will issue a firmware update to allow playing of BD-R/RE discs. Hopefully Pioneer will do the same.
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Now only if I wans't working.
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Now only if I wans't working.

i'm going to use my "heroes" power to predict that you will start feeling ill and have to run home to get better...may even take you all day tomorrow to recover
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Was surprised to find two Blu-ray disks included in the package. I'll power it up when it reaches room temp, it's only 20 degrees outside now & UPS doesn't appear to heat their trucks.
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tweeter says 29th my particular store says 33 pre orders and allocation for the store is 60, so tweeter will have extras available....

8 more days
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Which Blu ray discs come with it?

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I am being told 12/27/06, same day as the HD-XA2.

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Which Blu ray discs come with it?

Ships with two Blu-ray Movies--
Invincible (Disney) and Eight Below (Buena Vista)

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Thanks Robert!

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i'm going to use my "heroes" power to predict that you will start feeling ill and have to run home to get better...may even take you all day tomorrow to recover

Hi Mr. Ben Over [GRIN]!

I never said the QUOTE you are attributing to me [GRIN]!
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More fun in the fine print! This from Pioneer's product brochure PDF:

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This Player does not support direct connection to the Internet or the retrieval of content through the Internet. Pioneer provides a
Limited Firmware Warranty for firmware updates in the event of playability issues with some commercially pre-recorded discs, however, firmware updates for this Player will not include upgrades for Internet access or retrieval of content. A copy of the Firmware Limited Warranty is available on Pioneer's website at pioneerelectronics.com. Please contact Pioneer's customer service center for more information at (800) 421‑1404.

So I guess BD-Live is completely out of the question, then?
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i'm going to use my "heroes" power to predict that you will start feeling ill and have to run home to get better...may even take you all day tomorrow to recover

I apologize Mr. Bend Over.

I guess I'm ALREADY under the table [GRIN].

It was me that said that - But then I'm siting at the BAR with my
Engineering TEAM Celebrating Merry Christmas.

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I am being told 12/27/06, same day as the HD-XA2.

-Robert

That's the day BOTH the Pio and the XA2 arrive at your store? Didn't know the XA2 was going to actually make it before 2007...
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I wonder if that was planned...

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So, still no word on audio update capability of this player?...Well it looks like Pioneer has until the 27th to inform us of the units upgradabilities through ethernet...otherwise they will lose pre-orders and future sales...Still have my fingers crossed...
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So, still no word on audio update capability of this player?...Well it looks like Pioneer has until the 27th to inform us of the units upgradabilities through ethernet...otherwise they will lose pre-orders and future sales...Still have my fingers crossed...

Come on - do you really expect any Company to Pre-Announce
future capabilities - it is very rare when that happens. Any
pre-announcements which do happen are usually around some
Significant EVENT.

So let me guess about an upcoming event.

I can SPELL CES [GRIN]!

As for AUDIO Upgrade Issues? Why print this stuff in the
manual is my QUESTION?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&&#post9228255

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&&#post9228339

And why have 5.1 Analog Outputs - unless they are there
for some FUTURE USE?
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And why have 5.1 Analog Outputs - unless they are there
for some FUTURE USE?

The 5.1 analog outputs most certainly work in standard DD or DTS 5.1 decoding mode, so that's not in anyway an indication that they are meant for any future use.

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The 5.1 analog outputs most certainly work in standard DD or DTS 5.1 decoding mode, so that's not in anyway an indication that they are meant for any future use.

Come on - who on this planet would ever use them in THAT MODE?

It seems like DD and DTS have been working with Optical out
for ALMOST 10 years. So as a High-End Manufacturer - Let me
put 5.1 Audio Analog Decoding to duplicate what has been working
for DD and DTS for the last 10 years. It just isn't going to happen.
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I would think there is no way they could release a product (especially for this much) without any future firmware upgrade possibilities... Not these days...

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Come on - who on this planet would ever use them in THAT MODE?

Many DVD players have 5.1 analog outputs.

I certainly would never use them, but the fact is that manufacturers think they offer some marketing value.

So, their presence on the BR player is not a proof that it will decode lossy streams.

I'm not bashing Pioneer or BR in anyway, it's just that we have no real indication at the moment that this will happen. Assuming that analog audio outputs implies that is just wishful thinking.

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Many DVD players have 5.1 analog outputs.

And I'll BET every one of those DVD players with 5.1 Analog
outputs ALSO Plays Music CDs and SACD discs.

The Pioneer BDP-HD1 can't play ANY CD or SACD disc.

Therefore the 5.1 Analog Outputs are GOOD FOR WHAT?
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i think what many are not appreciating yet is that these new formats aren't going to be just for delivery of movies, they are going to be the successors to sacd and dvd-audio (if you can call it that given those two didn't ever take hold ).

so in addition to needing the analog outs for those that a) don't have an hdmi receiver (not everyone has a cheapo receiver that lacks hdmi; some are very expensive, high end units that aren't likely/desired to be replaced), and b) would like to experience the higher end audio for BOTH movies and music...remember, the PCM lossless tracks on BD discs, if you want to fully enjoy them, would have to go out over analog if you don't have an hdmi receiver.

i think analog outs should be a must on such a "high end" player...
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Many DVD players have 5.1 analog outputs.

I certainly would never use them, but the fact is that manufacturers think they offer some marketing value.

So, their presence on the BR player is not a proof that it will decode lossy streams.
I'm not bashing Pioneer or BR in anyway, it's just that we have no real indication at the moment that this will happen. Assuming that analog audio outputs implies that is just wishful thinking.

their presence is for getting the PCM lossless audio out to a non-hdmi setup.
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And I'll BET every one of those DVD players with 5.1 Analog
outputs ALSO Plays Music CDs and SACD discs.

The Pioneer BDP-HD1 can't play ANY CD or SACD disc.

Therefore the 5.1 Analog Outputs are GOOD FOR WHAT?

Dr,
OK, I'll bite. How about, they're good for those without HDMI connectivity who MIGHT want to listen to movie soundtracks with the advanced codecs decoded in the player. For those who only want to do std. DD & dts, I agree, they are not needed. Until more pre-pros & receiverss catch up with HDMI, they still have a use.

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Many DVD players have 5.1 analog outputs.

I certainly would never use them, but the fact is that manufacturers think they offer some marketing value.

So, their presence on the BR player is not a proof that it will decode lossy streams.

I'm not bashing Pioneer or BR in anyway, it's just that we have no real indication at the moment that this will happen. Assuming that analog audio outputs implies that is just wishful thinking.


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their presence is for getting the PCM lossless audio out to a non-hdmi setup.

AMEN - CORRECT Mr. Ben Dover!
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I'm curious, why was obie_fl post deleted?

Is it forbidden to say that the Pioneer can't play CD's nor DVD-A or SACD?

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I'm curious, why was obie_fl post deleted?

Is it forbidden to say that the Pioneer can't play CD's nor DVD-A or SACD?

I noticed the post was missing also. What happened???

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Before I plug mine in - I needed to do some SHEETMETAL
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