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post #5911 of 6049 Old 01-28-2010, 12:35 PM
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Exactly. To this day, I'm still wondering why Samsung put an HDMI 1.3 chip in the 1200 and didn't use it's only worthwhile feature.

I believe one reason it doesn't is the use of Broadcom BCM7411 which was the same chip in the BD-P1000. The Samsung BD-P1200 was supposed to use BCM7440 but based on what I have read, Broadcom couldn't get the chip ready in quantities great enough soon enough. Or maybe Broadcom just wanted to unload the remaining BCM7411 chips on Samsung.

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Whip It won't play on the latest firmware (2.6). Freezes before or after the menu. Tried skipping, jumping to scenes >1, but it never plays anything after the menu.
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Wow the first "this title does not play" report since the one below (Paris, Je T'aime) on May 23!
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Freezes after an intro at "Chapter 3, 16 seconds", no menu. Tried updating with v 2.6, no change.

Anyone get this Blu Ray to play on the 1200?

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First off, let me add my vote to worst BR player ever released. This turkey had numerous problems from day one and Samsung was always way late in releasing any firmware updates to allow it to play new releases that it struggled with. Like several months after they were released. In fact, the day I got mine it was behind the curve and would not play the Pirates of the Carribean movies and it took several months to get a suitable update.

I was using mine via the analog outputs and as more and more movies quit including an uncompressed PCM track, I begin to long for a player that had audio converters built in. I finally got fed up and bought a Sony S550 and moved the Samsung to a secondary area. The Sony has performed flawlessly but after only a few months and very little use, the Samsung was too much of a bother. Kids got tired of not being able to watch a movie they had rented, so I got a Sony S360 to replace it and that too has performed flawlessly. So now the 1200 is in the bedroom media center, which only has stereo speakers built into the wall, so the lack of lossless audio is no issue. I have watched a few movies on it, while in bed with the flu, and it worked. But I have no confidence in it what so ever.

Since buying this and experiencing Samsung's lack of support, I have refused to buy another Samsung product and actively advise others against it. When I bought the 1200, I owned two Samsung Blackjack II cell phones, a Samsung DVD recorder, and a Samsung DLP. The recorder is now broken for the second time and the TV is subject to an extended warranty due to a class action lawsuit against Samsung for a known defect (collapsed light tunnel) and has been repaired twice. One cell phone has since been replaced with an iPhone, because there is a known defect of a poor seal around the screen that allows dust particles to get under the glass and show up on the screen. AT&T refused to repair it any more due to the high number of returns and even though Samsung took it for repair for no charge, all they did was clean the screen and send the phone back to me. I went online and found out how to clean it myself and had to open it up every few months or so and clean the screen and put it back together. The other Blackjack did not have this problem.

I will never buy another Samsung product, regardless of how high they are rated or how cheap the price. I do not need the aggravation. I know things break, but Samsung's total lack of support for the 1200 so soon after introduction is inexcusable as far as I am concerned.
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Firmware 2.7 available for download.

http://www.samsung.com/us/support/de..._name=BD-P1200
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Firmware 2.7 available for download.

http://www.samsung.com/us/support/de..._name=BD-P1200

Samsung knocked it out of the ballpark with that firmware. All issues are fixed and everyone will want to purchase a BD-P1200 even though the prices are going to skyrocket once word gets out how amazing the player is. I have one of these very highly rated Samsung BD-P1200 Blu-ray players upated to firmware version 2.7, I hate to sell but must.

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Samsung knocked it out of the ballpark with that firmware. All issues are fixed and everyone will want to purchase a BD-P1200 even though the prices are going to skyrocket once word gets out how amazing the player is. I have one of these very highly rated Samsung BD-P1200 Blu-ray players upated to firmware version 2.7, I hate to sell but must.

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Currently downloading it but will wait for reports from others to install.

It would be good if recent titles play on it. It would be great if the stutter issue is fixed.

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I will sell my 1200 along with some beachfront property I own in Utah. Give me a shout and make me an offer.
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2.7 fixed Amelia for me. On 2.6 the menus came up, but the player would just lock up when I tried to start the film. Now the menus are a bit weird, but at least I can watch the movie...
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I installed 2.7 but I don't have "Whip It" here anymore. Is there an up-to-date list of issues so I can determine if any have been fixed using the disks I own?
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Installed 2.7 today and was hoping that AVCHD playback would be re enabled. But no such luck.
I can't imagine why they disabled it on this unit.
Dummies !

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Samsungs ears must have started ringing. Hell maybe an update for the 5000 will be coming too.

Thanks Richard

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Loaded 2.7 and so far I've watched:

Jennifer's Body which did not play with 2.6 it froze after hitting play movie
The Final Destination
Inglourious Bastards

All played with no problems using 2.7.

Will report on more movies after the weekend.
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Installed 2.7 today and was hoping that AVCHD playback would be re enabled. But no such luck.
I can't imagine why they disabled it on this unit.
Dummies !

It was never a supported feature to begin with, therefore they didn't disable it. Any AVCHD playback was inadvertent to begin with and would never be checked when firmware was being developed. I would suggest never relying on reports of playback for any format that isn't indicated as officially supported by the manufacturer. Samsung has had a terrible time getting the main supported formats, Blu-ray and DVD, acceptable with this player and I wouldn't ask them for anything beyond supported formats and features.

So far reports are positive with this firmware.

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Currently downloading it but will wait for reports from others to install.

It would be good if recent titles play on it. It would be great if the stutter issue is fixed.

What is the verdict, is the stuttering fixed?

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What is the verdict, is the stuttering fixed?

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I haven't dared to upgrade. I'm living in a semi-rural area prone to blackouts, and even with an UPS I'm very, very wary. An issue would imply losing this unit, my only BD player. I don't think the local Samsung organization is able to do anything about it.

But I'll do it, and report.

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I haven't dared to upgrade. I'm living in a semi-rural area prone to blackouts, and even with an UPS I'm very, very wary. An issue would imply losing this unit, my only BD player. I don't think the local Samsung organization is able to do anything about it.

But I'll do it, and report.

Write it to CD-R and update in that manner and with the use of a UPS, you are safe in my opinion. Updating by internet connection even with a UPS would be riskier.

I updated mine and can answer my question anyway. My player stutters at chapter breaks with 2.7. I can skip forward to a chapter and note the beginning scene, hit reverse play and play back through the same point and get a stutter. It is repeatable and still a big problem.

This update also did not add the option to upscale 4:3 DVD and force proper aspect ratio. Reports of better Blu-ray performance is promising but I am going to just put the player back in the closet and use a player that works better. It is interesting to note that the Samsung BD-P2500/2550 can upscale 4:3 DVD and force proper aspect ratio and also doesn't stutter at chapter breaks in my experience. It is the only other straight Blu-ray player design by Samsung that uses Silicon Optix Reon and as inexpensive as it is now, dumping this player and getting it or better yet another brand is a good idea.

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Write it to CD-R and update in that manner and with the use of a UPS, you are safe in my opinion. Updating by internet connection even with a UPS would be riskier.

I understand the loading code is in the firmware itself, so if there's an issue, I may not be able to re-install any version.


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I updated mine and can answer my question anyway. My player stutters at chapter breaks with 2.7. I can skip forward to a chapter and note the beginning scene, hit reverse play and play back through the same point and get a stutter. It is repeatable and still a big problem.

Then I'll keep the 2.7 CD, but won't install until I get a BD that requires it.

Many thanks Chris.

While I tend to accept that designers are to blame for continually pushing the envelope of the disc navigation code (bells and whistles), the stutter issue is 100% Samsung's fault.

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I own a 1200,that has never been updated. Now is used for dvd upconversion only. would the latest update be a wise thing at this point? Would i then be able to use as a blu-ray player? Any thoughts?
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I own a 1200,that has never been updated. Now is used for dvd upconversion only. would the latest update be a wise thing at this point? Would i then be able to use as a blu-ray player? Any thoughts?

Warlord260, given Samsung's past pathetic history with this player, you might want to think twice about uploading 2.7. If you value the unit as a DVD upconverter, and only use it for that, you might want to leave well enough alone. For Blu-Ray, 2.7 SHOULD allow the 1200 to play most movies, but it's mostly a hit and miss thing and there is a risk.
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If you value the unit as a DVD upconverter, and only use it for that, you might want to leave well enough alone.

The 1200 is a top upconverting DVD player (with the original FW), and an annoying BD player (as FW upgrades are late, and might end soon).

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The 1200 with original firmware is one of the best DVD players ever made. It just happens to be a terrible BD player.

If you upgrade the firmware, it turns into a mediocre BD player that also happens to be a terrible DVD player.
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It was never a supported feature to begin with, therefore they didn't disable it. Any AVCHD playback was inadvertent to begin with and would never be checked when firmware was being developed. I would suggest never relying on reports of playback for any format that isn't indicated as officially supported by the manufacturer. Samsung has had a terrible time getting the main supported formats, Blu-ray and DVD, acceptable with this player and I wouldn't ask them for anything beyond supported formats and features.

So far reports are positive with this firmware.

Chris

Well Chris, I can only speak for my own player and it did play AVCHD discs when I first bought it, with the original FW. That capability disappeared with the first update.

Edit:They hedged their bet in the manual by stating this :

Discs that cannot be played
• BD-RE 1.0 Disc
• HD DVD Disc
• DVD-Video with a region number other than “1” or “ALL”
• 5 inch 2.6 GB and 5.2 GB DVD-RAM
• 3.9 GB DVD-R Disc for Authoring.
• DVD-RAM/-RW(VR mode) not recorded following the
Video Recording Standard
• DVD-ROM/PD/MV-Disc, etc
• CVD/CD-ROM/CDV/CD-G/CD-I/LD

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Version 2.7 cured the won't-play problem with The Wizard of Oz.
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Well Chris, I can only speak for my own player and it did play AVCHD discs when I first bought it, with the original FW. That capability disappeared with the first update.

Edit:They hedged their bet in the manual by stating this :

Discs that cannot be played
BD-RE 1.0 Disc
HD DVD Disc
DVD-Video with a region number other than 1 or ALL
5 inch 2.6 GB and 5.2 GB DVD-RAM
3.9 GB DVD-R Disc for Authoring.
DVD-RAM/-RW(VR mode) not recorded following the
Video Recording Standard
DVD-ROM/PD/MV-Disc, etc
CVD/CD-ROM/CDV/CD-G/CD-I/LD

How is that hedging a bet? It also won't play LaserDisc or SACD or DVD-A and you can't expect a player to list all discs it won't play, that is a pretty silly concept as there are obviously many other formats the player doesn't handle. There is no support for AVCHD with this player and quite a number of other Blu-ray players and I don't expect AVCHD to be added by firmware update in light of the problems playing formats listed as supported.

Players from Sony and Panasonic all support AVCHD as far as I know and some of them are very inexpensive.

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I own a 1200,that has never been updated. Now is used for dvd upconversion only. would the latest update be a wise thing at this point? Would i then be able to use as a blu-ray player? Any thoughts?

Adding to the several comments already which I agree with, my thought is leave it as is and use it as a DVD player. You can purchase a Magnavox Blu-ray player, recently at $68 at Wal-Mart and that is a much better Blu-ray player. The Magnavox player is Profile 1.1, bitstreams the advanced audio codecs and is just all around better as far as Blu-ray. Of course if you don't need to use the BD-P1200 for DVD, then you can update it to 2.7 which is probably the best version yet for Blu-ray.

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I've had the bd-p1200 hooked up to my panny 42px60 with no problems for a few years now. I recently purchased a panny 58v10 and, while it plays blurays with no problem, it won't show the picture on standard def discs. Not only that, but if a standard def disc is inserted, it won't even show the samsung menu system. I think it's outputting video, because the led screen on the player shows track time, etc.
Any ideas?
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I've had the bd-p1200 hooked up to my panny 42px60 with no problems for a few years now. I recently purchased a panny 58v10 and, while it plays blurays with no problem, it won't show the picture on standard def discs. Not only that, but if a standard def disc is inserted, it won't even show the samsung menu system. I think it's outputting video, because the led screen on the player shows track time, etc.
Any ideas?

I would first try a different HDMI port on the TV, then try a different cable, try a different or old TV.

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I would first try a different HDMI port on the TV, then try a different cable, try a different or old TV.

Thanks for the reply. Like I said, it was working fine on my 42px60 for the last few years. I tried it last night with the hdmi cable that is hooked up to the 58v10, no problems. I switched hdmi ports around on the 58v10, no luck.
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I thought I'd share this reply I received from Samsung customer service in response to my complaint about chronic playback issues with this player. I almost wish they had not responded at all, instead of sticking their head in the sand and pretending this player was the shizzle.

Dear samsung Customer,

Thank you for contacting Samsung Electronics.

With reference to your email, we understand that you are not satisfied with the Samsung Blu-ray player.

We apologize for the inconvenience caused.

However, we would like to inform you that we have designed the product after extensive technical research
and feedback from customers about the product by our design team.

We did not get any reported issues with the following model Blu-ray player. We suggest you get back to us if
you are facing an issue with the Blu-ray player so that we could assist you in resolving the issue.


Thank you,

Samsung Online Support.


I mean, it's insulting for them to expect me to believe that they have not received any reported playback issues about what may possibly be the worst Blu-Ray player ever released. Shameless, truly shameless.

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