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post #271 of 4494 Old 06-17-2007, 12:40 PM
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Uncompressed PCM 5.1 & DTHD on Ghost Rider(BLU RAY). They should just make all BLU RAY / HDDVD movies uncompressed 5.1. All you would need is a HDMI 1.2 or later receiver.

I agree with you, I personaly believe that uncompressed PCM for blu-ray and TrueHD for hd-dvd would make the world a better place

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I agree with you, I personaly believe that uncompressed PCM for blu-ray and TrueHD for hd-dvd would make the world a better place

Thanks for backing me up.

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The whole audio issue on both formats has been a disaster. One of the problems has been trying to be "fair" to DTS and include its standard even though DTS has once again failed to get its system brought forward in a timely way.

I suspect things would be better if we just dumped DTS. Can anyone explain why this is a good idea?
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the manual is right - the player does not decode TrueHD nor DTS-HD. i picked up the S300 from a local BB yesterday, along with Ghost Rider BD. when you press the "audio" button on the remote the screen displays (with TrueHD selected on the the audio options):

1/5 Dolby Digital English 3/2.1CH
2/5 Linear PCM English 3/2.1CH 48kHz
3/5 Dolby Digital French 3/2.1CH
4/5 Dolby Digital English 2/0CH
5/5 Dolby Digital English 2/0CH

I don't have the s300 (I've the S1), but those are the same choices I get and I have the 2.0 firmware...So it could just be a labeling issue in the players...
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Well I believe first blood is Master Audio not HR. lparsons mentioned that the SD version of Ghost Rider showed DTS in the menu as well when he selected PCM on his receiver, well I didn't want to touch on this but I don't believe the Sony decodes DTS-ES(6.1) either. The only reason he was getting sound through his 7.1 speakers is because his receiver is set to matrix on top of 5.1 sources.

No, my receiver will allow that, but it also does DTS-ES Discrete just fine. I've tested that. There is lots of things about 7.1 I don't like with my receiver, but its 5.1 support is rock solid. When things are matrixed, the HK shows the source as 3.2.1 but also shows the 2 back channels in play. With DTS-ES Discrete 6.1 is shows 3.3.1 and also shows the 2 back channels in play.

It has shown DTS-EX, DTS-ES Matrix, DTS-ES Discrete (6.1) as well as DD.

With 7.1 or 6.1 LPCM, it sees LPCM but ignores the extra channels and just does 5.1. It also doesn't allow layering over LPCM, but at the $500 MSRP price point, only the Yamaha RX-V661 does that.

If it didn't sound so damn good, I would have kept the Yamaha instead.

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I don't have the s300 (I've the S1), but those are the same choices I get and I have the 2.0 firmware...So it could just be a labeling issue in the players...

That is very interesting. Sony makes a big deal on their description page for TrueHD and DD+ with the S1 and if the S1 has those, and that audio choices is what you see, then we are back to square one with the S300 imo.

And that square is called 'confusion'!!

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I confirmed via Sony Engineers yesterday that indeed the BDP-S300 does decode TrueHD and DTS-HD. The profile 1.1 will happen in the fall via a firmware update.

Some of the players were accidently shipped with firmware 1.8. 2.0 has support for the 2 mentioned codecs above. If you have 1.8, call Sony and request the 2.0 CDROM. They have them available.

While he would not comment on the chipset, I was able to read between the lines and this player does indeed have HDMI 1.1. He told me Sony will never publish chipset specs.

Even with 2.0 the POTC flicks BD-J menu's are still extremely slow. He opened a ticket and someone is to contact me tomorrow of Tuesday. He was surprised and thought the slowness was fixed in 2.0.

To check your firmware, go into setup and go into TV Type. Press your blue button and the FW will appear on the screen.
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jnelson200: So what about the slow load speeds on some discs? Is there going to be a firmware to
adjust this? I just bought a S300 and like it but, I was thinking about another PS3 for upstairs verses this. If so I will hold off.....
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This is good news about profile 1.1 but I'm still skeptical about the DTS-HD and TrueHD, I've been told that it doesn't do this and my tests have concluded this as well. I'm not sure what firmware version I have, I will check this when I get home

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BTW, there are no TrueHD or DTS-HD logos anywhere on the player.

True, but they are there in the manual. Maybe it is trying to say that it will still play discs with those formats, but not decode them? Even though it does say 5,1 for Dolby TrueHD.
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My S300 will be delivered tomorrow. I will be connecting both its digital and 5.1 analog outputs to a 7-year old Sony V333ES AVR, which predates HDMI. Can any of the current S300 owners tell me if the S300 bitstream and analog outputs are concurrently active - that is it outputs audio over both outputs simultaneously? I would like to be able to switch between analog or bitstream audio at the AVR without twiddling with S300 once it is set up.
Also, if speaker size is set to Small in S300 setup, what is crossover frequency? Manual does not specify. I would assume same as S1, but have been unable to determine S1 crossover from Web searches. Thanks.
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No the receiver will recognize it as PCM because the Sony is doing the decoding but the player only sends DD not TrueHD because it can't decode this. Instead it only gives a DD option.

you may be right, but i'm not sure i'm convinced. i asked this question in the software forum and got this answer from AnthonyP
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By definition DD+ and DTHD both have a DD core. But unlike DTS the DD scheme was not built to be forward compatible. So a DD decoder won't be able to split out the DD from DD+ or DTHD, but a DTHD or DD+ decoder can split out DD without decoding it.

if you're selecting the True HD and getting sound, i wouldn't assume that you're hearing only the DD "core"

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I check with my local BB and they do have it in stock but you have to ask the sale guys for it they will get it from the back room, they don't go officially on sale till they 20th.
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I am begging to be proved wrong, rather than just being told I may be wrong. I've done my tests, I welcome someone to do the same to prove their point. I hope everyone understands my position, Again I too own this player and love it. I would love for it to do TrueHD and DTS-HD but until someone can prove to me that it does I won't believe it will. I tried a DTS-HD disc and only got DTS another person tried a TrueHD disc and only got DD. To me some of you seem as if you're just trying to justify your purchase, but why, it's still a great player. Where does it say DECODE anywhere? Please show me this (beyond that extremely vague chart in the manual) and I too will be happy. The only thing that makes sense is the 2.0 firmware upgrade which I will talk to my local rep at Sony about in a few days.

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Anybody can answer this please. As of right now all decoding will take place in the player right? If your player has a DTHD decoder, you can hear DTHD(MULTI CHANNEL PCM on the display) right? If there is no DTHD decoder built inside the player, you hear DD 5.1(LPCM) correct? Currently there aren't any players on the market that have a DTSHD MASTER decoder built in. From what I've read core only. And when you play a DTSHD MASTER BLU RAY disc you only hear the core(DTS 5.1), not DTSHD MASTER soundtrack. If this information is right or wrong please correct me.

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Anybody can answer this please. As of right now all decoding will take place in the player right? If your player has a DTHD decoder, you can hear DTHD(MULTI CHANNEL PCM on the display) right? If there is no DTHD decoder built inside the player, you hear DD 5.1(LPCM) correct? Currently there aren't any players on the market that have a DTSHD MASTER decoder built in. From what I've read core only. And when you play a DTSHD MASTER BLU RAY disc you only hear the core, not DTSHD MASTER soundtrack. If this information is right or wrong please correct me.

You are correct my friend. Ain't DTS-HD Master grand

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You are correct my friend. Ain't DTS-HD Master grand

Ok, I'm glad somebody on this thread understands this besides me. Uncompressed all the way I guess. I wanted to purchase a BLU RAY player in the future.

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Ok I'm glad somebody on this thread understands this beside me. Uncompressed all the way I guess. I wanted to purchase a BLU RAY player in the future.

One minor thing though, If you're player does not have a DTS-HD decoder you will get DTS not DD.

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One minor thing though, If you're player does not have a DTS-HD decoder you will get DTS not DD.

In other words listen to uncompressed 5.1 until they get it right.

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if you're selecting the True HD and getting sound, i wouldn't assume that you're hearing only the DD "core"

This wasn't the problem, when another user selected Truehd on Ghost Rider the player said it was sending Dolby Digital and Truehd wasn't mentioned at all. I didn't arbitrarily make this up.

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In other words listen to uncompressed 5.1 until they get it right.

Sounds like a plan to me. IMO, people will have a heard time discerning a sonic difference between uncompressed PCM and lossless Truehd and DTS-HD.

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I am begging to be proved wrong, rather than just being told I may be wrong. I've done my tests, I welcome someone to do the same to prove their point. I hope everyone understands my position, Again I too own this player and love it. I would love for it to do TrueHD and DTS-HD but until someone can prove to me that it does I won't believe it will. I tried a DTS-HD disc and only got DTS another person tried a TrueHD disc and only got DD. To me some of you seem as if you're just trying to justify your purchase, but why, it's still a great player. Where does it say DECODE anywhere? Please show me this (beyond that extremely vague chart in the manual) and I too will be happy. The only thing that makes sense is the 2.0 firmware upgrade which I will talk to my local rep at Sony about in a few days.

i'm not trying to justify my purchase, i don't own one. i'm looking at getting one and trying to get to the bottom of this like you.

referring to the bolded part above, you're saying someone selected the Dolby TrueHD track on a disc, and his receiver said he was getting DD5.1 as bitstream, is that correct?

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i'm not trying to justify my purchase, i don't own one. i'm looking at getting one and trying to get to the bottom of this like you.

referring to the bolded part above, you're saying someone selected the Dolby TrueHD track on a disc, and his receiver said he was getting DD5.1 as bitstream, is that correct?

See post #260. Again, someone who like me tested this out for themselves. I never said anything about his receiver. The Sony player said it was sending DD after he selected truehd.

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Well lrstevens421, I'm convinced it doesn't work.

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Well lrstevens421, I'm convinced it doesn't work.

, believe me I'm not trying to argue. I just want someone to present some kind of proof that it does. The proof is in the pudding .

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I just realized that we're debating two of the most unpopular formats on Blu-ray...

As Kemiza says, uncompressed PCM rules.

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, believe me I'm not trying to argue. I just want someone to present some kind of proof that it does. The proof is in the pudding .

Thats the whole point. Nobody has proof. Not even SONY!!!

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Thats the whole point. Nobody has proof. Not even SONY!!!

I agree, long live Uncompressed PCM!!!!

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I am begging to be proved wrong, rather than just being told I may be wrong. I've done my tests, I welcome someone to do the same to prove their point. I hope everyone understands my position, Again I too own this player and love it. I would love for it to do TrueHD and DTS-HD but until someone can prove to me that it does I won't believe it will. I tried a DTS-HD disc and only got DTS another person tried a TrueHD disc and only got DD. To me some of you seem as if you're just trying to justify your purchase, but why, it's still a great player. Where does it say DECODE anywhere? Please show me this (beyond that extremely vague chart in the manual) and I too will be happy. The only thing that makes sense is the 2.0 firmware upgrade which I will talk to my local rep at Sony about in a few days.

Don't own the S300 yet,but did you check your f/w version? Did it ship with 2.0?
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, believe me I'm not trying to argue. I just want someone to present some kind of proof that it does. The proof is in the pudding .

what if the quote above from AnthonyP is correct, and a player without a TrueHD decoder can't extract a DD core from a TrueHD track? If that were the case, and you still get sound when you select a TrueHD track, what does that prove?

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