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I keep reading a lot of crowing about how Toshiba is going to make things better for themselves in the disc war by including HD DVD drives in their laptops.

Well, Dell already has BD drives in both their desktops and laptops.
Maybe this gets lost in all the other good news about BD.

I think Dell sells more computers than Toshiba. Sorry HD DVD
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Dell does sell BD hardware, but Toshiba claimed that they would be putting HD DVD drives in all of their laptops.

FWIW - anyone who adds a BD drive to their Dell machine would be a lot more likely to rent/purchase HDM than someone who got it along with their Toshiba laptop.
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The HD drives are going to be automatically included, guess you didn't read very well.
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sony does too.
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sony does too.

These don't:

http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/...tegoryId=16154

Toshiba said ALL laptops.
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Well OF COURSE Sony has 'em
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The HD drives are going to be automatically included, guess you didn't read very well.

So Tosh laptops will now automatically include a soon-to-be-obsolete disc dive.
Hmmm. That should help sales
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These don't:

http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/...tegoryId=16154

Toshiba said ALL laptops.


do you really believe that they can manufacture that many drives? announcement was made ten days ago and nobody cares...
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So Tosh laptops will now automatically include a soon-to-be-obsolete disc dive.
Hmmm. That should help sales

They won't be obselete, they just might have a seldom used feature.

They will still read and burn dvds and cds. (assuming of course that they are all burners)
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do you really believe that they can manufacture that many drives? announcement was made ten days ago and nobody cares...

Wasn't one of the advantages of HD DVD on the manufacturing side? I.E. easily retrofiting existing lines to make the new hardware?

I don't see this as impossible, and the HD DVD supporters certainly care.

Only time will tell if it makes a difference.
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Was surprised to see that Dell is also selling some Blu-Ray movies.
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Wasn't one of the advantages of HD DVD on the manufacturing side? I.E. easily retrofiting existing lines to make the new hardware?

I don't see this as impossible, and the HD DVD supporters certainly care.

Only time will tell if it makes a difference.

No. The only theoretical manufacturing advantage in disc production. A HD DVD drive needs the same expensive blue laser diode that Blu-ray does.
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A HD DVD drive needs the same expensive blue laser diode that Blu-ray does.

Yes, but isn't the diode down to $7 to $9 in quantity now? The optics are more complex for BD -- but Sony worked hard to minimize that in the PS3. But the actual physics/mechanics required for DVD versus HD DVD ROM drives is not significant. Just a bit more accuracy required.

Both Sony and Toshiba offered hi def optical ROM drives in some notebooks starting last Summer.
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I keep reading a lot of crowing about how Toshiba is going to make things better for themselves in the disc war by including HD DVD drives in their laptops.

Well, Dell already has BD drives in both their desktops and laptops.
Maybe this gets lost in all the other good news about BD.

I think Dell sells more computers than Toshiba. Sorry HD DVD


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Toshiba said ALL laptops.

I'm having a hard time finding a quote from anyone at Toshiba saying they will put HD-DVD drives in all laptops. This is the closest I could find in a Reuters story quoted by many other sites:

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Japan's Toshiba Corp. aims to put disk drives for high-definition DVDs on all its laptops next year as it strives to gain an edge in the high-stakes next-generation DVD format battle, a Toshiba executive said on Tuesday.

Sony Corp. equips its PlayStation 3 (PS3) game consoles with Blu-ray drives to win people to the rival high-definition DVD format, and Toshiba should use a similar tactic, said Toshiba Senior Vice President Hisatsugu Nonaka.

"The demand is there: people want to watch their favorite movies in high-definition on the road," he told reporters at a news conference.

Toshiba, which research firm IDC said shipped 9.2 million notebook PCs in calendar 2006, is seeking to land a knock-out blow against the Sony-led Blu-ray camp, but adding high-definition drives to PCs would mean higher prices and could hurt sales.

This does not say they will do this. Is there more information somewhere?
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New member with VERY recent join date and 3 posts in a thread opend by themselves? viral marketer??

I really hope that no one is paying for this level of whatever it is.
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So Tosh laptops will now automatically include a soon-to-be-obsolete disc dive.
Hmmm. That should help sales

It's snide posts like this that get you added to ignore lists since they add nothing to the discussion and there is enough crap like this in the forums anyway.

Welcome to mine.
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I'm having a hard time finding a quote from anyone at Toshiba saying they will put HD-DVD drives in all laptops. This is the closest I could find in a Reuters story quoted by many other sites:



This does not say they will do this. Is there more information somewhere?

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Japan's Toshiba Corp. aims to put disk drives for high-definition DVDs on all its laptops next year as it strives to gain an edge in the high-stakes next-generation DVD format battle, a Toshiba executive said on Tuesday.

This is showing their intent. Blame the reporter for making it a little vague for us nitpickers.

I'd doubt a Senior VP would go on record for no reason and say "we should do this..." but not have plans to do so. The reporter made the same connection.
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Toshiba is talking about an unknown date in 2008. I suspect the situation changes greatly at the end of 2007.
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This is showing their intent. Blame the reporter for making it a little vague for us nitpickers.

I'd doubt a Senior VP would go on record for no reason and say "we should do this..." but not have plans to do so. The reporter made the same connection.

I'd doubt it as well, but we have no context for what was being discussed. The transcript would be useful, although we're unlikely to see it.
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Yes, but isn't the diode down to $7 to $9 in quantity now? The optics are more complex for BD -- but Sony worked hard to minimize that in the PS3. But the actual physics/mechanics required for DVD versus HD DVD ROM drives is not significant. Just a bit more accuracy required.

Both Sony and Toshiba offered hi def optical ROM drives in some notebooks starting last Summer.

Where do you get that optics are more complex for BD. This is Fud. They are not. It's just that most BD drives produced right now are also burners. Panasonic even used their burner inside of their player.
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Where do you get that optics are more complex for BD.

Simply that BD has to focus to a 0.1 mm layer for BD and a 0.6 mm layer for DVD (for compatibility to play SD DVDs).

Whereas HD DVD has to focus to a single 0.6 mm distance (same as SD DVD).

IIRC CD playback requires focus to 1.2 mm.

I also understand that a cheap plastic lens can be used for HD DVD (& CD & DVD) whereas BD requires a larger glass lens to achieve the closer focus to a smaller spot.
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http://www.product-reviews.net/2007/...-with-blu-ray/

"Dell XPS M1330 laptop starting at $1,299: with Blu-ray"
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http://www.product-reviews.net/2007/...-with-blu-ray/

"Dell XPS M1330 laptop starting at $1,299: with Blu-ray"

The blu-ray option adds $700 dollars, so it is probably at least $2,000 for a 1080p laptop with BD playback capability.
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We should just post this in the BD hardware section.
Whenever things like this get posted in the HD Media section, hddvd supporters jump in here to downplay the news.
Any news to help bluray, whether small or large is good in my books.
I don't care if its Universal goes neutral or McDonalds announces a blu-ray happy meal which includes a bluray disc of RonaldMcDonalds adventure in Cheesburger land.

Any news which causes more awarness of Blu-ray and ingrains into the general public that BD is truly the successor to DVD, then its all good in my book.
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Given that Toshiba just lowered their predictions for HD DVD standalones considerably, they may have some drive production capacity to spare. So why not put them in laptops?
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Toshiba's Qosmio G30 has an abundance of features

HD DVD player
17-inch widescreen display
1,920 x 1,200 pixel resolution
HDMI, S-video and D-sub

Nice lappy but it weighs in at 4.8kg and costs $6,199!

I hope for that much money you get a HD DVD recorder and not just a player.

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The only thing that marred my HD DVD experience was that one of the films kept freezing at one point, and when I tried to skip that particular part the whole application kept dying, forcing me to start up the HD DVD player from scratch. This meant I had to sit through approximately three minutes times five of introductions and legal notices you can't skip these. Very annoying.

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Toshiba laptops are crap. (So are sony's).

Note that ALL of the reviews on amazon that pertain to the hd-dvd functionality on the G30 mentioned some sort of problem. Also note that there were only 8 reviews total. IF this is representative of the functionality of the hd-dvd drives on laptops/pcs, it's not exactly something I'd be bragging about. This goes for ANY media, whether it be dvd, hd-dvd, or blu-ray.

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I purchased a av-650 in October. I had problems out of the box. HD DVD did not play. Lots of system errors. Many hours spent on the phone and reinstalling system did not seem to help. Though there support team is friendly they were not much help. I finally found a level 3 person that did know what he was talking about. They sent a "tech" out to reinstall the HD drive. Did not work. Sent it to the depot. They said send softwear that I use and they will install it one by one to see if there is a conflict. Had UPS pack my orig. box and softwear. They lost everything. Got the system back, still not working. Sent it again. Came back running way worse. Tons of error message, crashes cannot open any programs. So far I am stuck with this usless piece of junk. They said customer service will contact me, never did. I will have to file a lawsuit to recover from this mess. Whatever you do dont buy any toshiba products, they will not stand behind them. They settled a $20 million class action lawsuit for knowing selling defective junk. There are many other actions pending.

STAY AWAY FROM TOSHIBA QOSMIO AND ALL TOSHIBA PRODUCTS

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The second glitch is that while there is a HD DVD drive, and while it does work, the software HD WinDVD player could not play "V for Vendetta." However, this is a software problem, not a hardware problem: the visual display was garbled.

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4. HDDVD drive. This is still a work in progress. It sort of works, but requires updating drivers and applications. Check out the AVS Forum thread on the Qosmio for the latest instructions.

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I also have some major gripes with the HD DVD features. For one, it's only readable. Unlike the AR190, you cannot directly burn onto the large capacity discs. Also, there are some hiccups in the viewing. And the software that runs some of its other features are pretty bad.


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The HD drives are going to be automatically included, guess you didn't read very well.


I guess you didn't read the original news reports and just read the Inquirer. The original news report does nots ay, "automatically included," or anything of the sort.

I guess reading comprehension is poor all around.
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