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How do you think this will effect the current situation? Non-factor or sign of the times?
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Too expensive! I have never paid that much for even a professional deck!
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The high end folk will go with their trusted brand. I own a BD player via the PS3, but as a Blu-ray/DVD player it's too rich for my tastes.
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What's the name of this forum? Oh yes, HDTV Software Media Discussion.

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It gives high end theater owners something to buy. denon sells dvd players at this price point. still ps3 is a lot more functional (sacd).
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What's the name of this forum? Oh yes, HDTV Software Media Discussion.

My bad, I missed the HDTV Hardware media disussion section.


If the mods want move it they will, stop policing my thread.
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I think its great to have more players in the market for either format. I think denon is nuts to charge $2000, and I think its a slap in the face for a company not to include DVD A or SACD.

I am prime customer for Denon and/or high quality HD players (BD or HD DVD) and I say NO WAY.
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My bad, I missed the HDTV Hardware media disussion section. If the mods want move it they will, stop policing my thread.

There is a Blu-ray hardware forum, as you well know.

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Very expensive and already obselete. It must have been in the works for quite some time now. No ethernet port is a disgrace.

I'm lumbered with Denon stuff that was advertised as upgradable and future proof and all they did was only 1 upgrade.

At least the pioneer is usable as a multi media extender through its ethernet port.
But it can't support encoded hidef audio streams due to lack of hdmi 1.3 port.

Next gen please.
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Only extreme enthusiasts and Denon fans are going to pay this price.

No thanks, I'll stick to my evolving PS3.

For that price it should have been a dual-format player, but Denon has a history of making high-end/high priced DVD players.

They seem to be making a big deal about meeting the BD 1.1 profile. Isn't any player released after Oct. 31 supposed to meet the BD 1.1 profile?

An SD card required for interactive content? Interesting approach. I suppose they feel that people will want to download this content and keep it on their PC for when it is needed. Again I still don't quite understand when the format has a maximum storage of 50GB, why you need this? Are studios truly going to do this for new interactive content or is going to turn into, pay this to unlock this content, here's a link for a $1.99 ring tone.... something tells me we are headed down a slippery spiral in what the studios want to do.

Back to the Denon, interesting piece of equipment, but it is overkill for me at least.
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How do you think this will effect the current situation? Non-factor or sign of the times?


Dont think it will affect anything that much. If the prices are as high as expected. One player is basically a receiver and BD player, its priced at $2000. The other has no price announced as of yet. I think it would cost about $1200, right now. Since no price was announced, I assume Denon is trying to cut production costs. They cant afford to come in at anything over $750. If they want to sell alot of units. BD isnt established enough to warrant such a high priced stand alone player. Which is why many of the older $1000 models from other manufacturers didnt sell.
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It looks nice, but I think at that price there needs to be more feature seperation.

I am suprised that an actual 1.1 player was announced so early, even though I didn't see a launch date.
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There is a Blu-ray hardware forum, as you well know.


Which HD'ers don't typically peruse and I feel their opinions are as valid as the BR'ers, so I felt this was a more appropriate forum for discussion.

Once again if they don't like it, they will move it. Easy as that.
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Very expensive and already obselete. It must have been in the works for quite some time now. No ethernet port is a disgrace.
But it can't support encoded hidef audio streams due to lack of hdmi 1.3 port.

What??? It decodes all hidef audio fromats (including DTS MA) and is java 1.1 compliant. At least one of the players (if not both) have HDMI 1.3. If it has SACD and DVD-A playback it'll be mine.

To the OP, this will have a large impact on the types of people who buy S&V and related magazines; Denon is one of "the" names, and this will add to the perception that BD has won. One more domino...

The real question is: "Will retailers decide the format war before the holiday shopping season this year?"

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An SD card required for interactive content? Interesting approach. I suppose they feel that people will want to download this content and keep it on their PC for when it is needed. ....

You are going to love your ethernet connection on your br player when they get the java and the BR+ stuff going.
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Looks like a slick player.

It does everything I'd want in a Blu raay player....but i'd like 2 HDMI outs. For $2K, it should be abe to do it.

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Looks like a slick player.

It does everything I'd want in a Blu raay player....but i'd like 2 HDMI outs. For $2K, it should be abe to do it.

Yeah I totally agree about 2 HDMI outs, I havent figured out why that isnt standard yet on EVERY HD optical player.....
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Looks like a slick player.

It does everything I'd want in a Blu raay player....but i'd like 2 HDMI outs. For $2K, it should be abe to do it.

2 HDMI outs?

To power two displays or to have seperation in your audio and video paths?

Just curious...
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I would like one (who wouldn't lol?) but $2,000 is a bit pricey.

Regardless sounds like a great player, and good news for Blu-ray. We have another CE company exlcusively in our corner.

Also the Denon brand name does have influence, and the fact that they have chosen Blu-ray only instead of combo or HD-DVD is very significant.
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2 HDMI outs?

To power two displays or to have seperation in your audio and video paths?

Just curious...

For me it would be to split the paths...

just have never been a fan of video switching
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You are going to love your ethernet connection on your br player when they get the java and the BR+ stuff going.


Nobody really knows how it is all going to be implemented. So let's stop the FUD.

You know what I don't have a problem with content providers protecting their content as long as it is fairly transparent to me (meaning operating a BD player is similar to operating a DVD player).

I did not come in here and say anything like HA HA HA HA Denon choose Blu-ray too bad for you. Just remember DRM is the main reason that companies like Disney and Fox are apprehensive about HD DVD. HD DVD really has no protection beyond AACS which has already been broken once.

Again your comment adds nothing to the discussion that Denon opted to only back Blu-ray at this time.
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The real question is: "Will retailers decide the format war before the holiday shopping season this year?"

And the real answer is that there will no be conclusion to the format war for a long time.
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You are going to love your ethernet connection on your br player when they get the java and the BR+ stuff going.

Right, because the ability for AACS to remotely revoke keys combined with ethernet on HD DVD is so innovative.

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Nobody really knows how it is all going to be implemented. So let's stop the FUD.

You know what I don't have a problem with content providers protecting their content as long as it is fairly transparent to me (meaning operating a BD player is similar to operating a DVD player).

I did not come in here and say anything like HA HA HA HA Denon choose Blu-ray too bad for you. Just remember DRM is the main reason that companies like Disney and Fox are apprehensive about HD DVD. HD DVD really has no protection beyond AACS which has already been broken once.

Again your comment adds nothing to the discussion that Denon opted to only back Blu-ray at this time.

I don't think that was a troll post, looked to me like a 'looking forward to new stuff on the 1.1 player' post.

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Nobody really knows how it is all going to be implemented. So let's stop the FUD.

maybe it should have been implemented (standardized) before BD hit the market then??

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I did not come in here and say anything like HA HA HA HA Denon choose Blu-ray too bad for you. Just remember DRM is the main reason that companies like Disney and Fox are apprehensive about HD DVD. HD DVD really has no protection beyond AACS which has already been broken once.

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Maybe I over reacted a little. but until I see how this whole BD+ and ethernet connection hose someone or a whole line of players then I think a lot of what is spread is FUD.

If the content providers are stupid enough to penalize the law abiding consumer to catch a few bad apples, then they might as well kill HD media now if they are that scared of allowing HD copies of their properties in the wild.
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maybe it should have been implemented (standardized) before BD hit the market then??


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you just did

I really don't care if Denon does BD or not especially at that price point.

Stop trying to turn this around to attack me. Look let's just agree: I don't like you and you don't like me.
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Maybe I over reacted a little. but until I see how this whole BD+ and ethernet connection hose someone or a whole line of players then I think a lot of what is spread is FUD.

If the content providers are stupid enough to penalize the law abiding consumer to catch a few bad apples, then they might as well kill HD media now if they are that scared of allowing HD copies of their properties in the wild.

I don't think he was talking about DRM, think it was BD-J he was mistakenly referring to, but I do uderstand why you might assume it was a troll post, given the atmosphere sometimes.
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I don't think he was talking about DRM, think it was BD-J he was mistakenly referring to, but I do uderstand why you might assume it was a troll post, given the atmosphere sometimes.

True...

And if you look back at my first post in the thread. I even said that for the price of this unit it should have been a BD/HD DVD player. And that is coming from someone who will probably never buy it unless it wins the war outright.
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