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The U/L stuff probably only means the power supply and basic chassis shielding are the same. U/L doesn't care about low voltage stuff that the fingers can't reach, or the software running in the hardware. Of course the low voltage stuff and the software is most of the important stuff in looking at differences between these two from our perspective.
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The U/L stuff probably only means the power supply and basic chassis shielding are the same. U/L doesn't care about low voltage stuff that the fingers can't reach, or the software running in the hardware. Of course the low voltage stuff and the software is most of the important stuff in looking at differences between these two from our perspective.
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I beg to differ about Underwriters Laboratories (the "UL" mark on a product). As an engineer working in both consumer and telecommunications areas, UL is concerned with components on the circuit board along with both power and any network connections. If you look at the individual components, you will often see a UL Recognized mark for the manufacturer in the datasheet of the individual PCB components along with the flammability rating of the plastic used in its composition.

The circuit board itself is usually FR-4 material or similar. Due to increased product safety laws regulatory agencies throughout the world are most concerned with the materials used in the product construction. The next time you purchase a computer, tv, etc. note UL, CSA, CE, RoHS, WEEE etc. approvals in the documentation, and on the serial number label of the unit. Note all of the safety warnings in the product manual as well.

The UL File # E175216, is assigned to Funai Electric Co LTD as per the attached. As the Denon Blu-Ray models are listed, I expect the file to be updated to add the Marantz BD8002. There are 4 E175216 listings at UL's directory, and I am sure they will be constantly updated. Many companies assign the UL File to the contract manufacturer who actually builds the unit, others have it assigned to the designer or the company who markets the unit.

The file number means that the listed device meets the appropriate UL criteria at the time and is given the right to attach the UL Listed or Approved label on the product for product liability reasons.

The point of my earlier post was just to point out that the Denon and Marantz units will probably be very similar electrically as they both will be built by Funai. Note the back of the Marantz unit. Compare it to the Denon.

http://www.engadget.com/photos/hands...bd8002/570551/

http://www.usa.denon.com/ProductDeta...D%2FCD+Player#

I will purchase either a DVD-3800BDCI or a BD8002 when complete documentation is available on both units. This is in no way a putdown of Denon, Marantz, or D & M. I have both brands in my system and find their quality, specifications, and features superb. I was just making an observation on available documentation on both units and will continue to be a customer of both brands.

 

UL_File_E175216.pdf 51.3623046875k . file
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Interesting pics!!!

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They are practically the same player. I think Marantz tweaked some of the electronics. Their next player will hopefully be of their own design and not a tweaked clone of a Denon. I have nothing against platform sharing and definitely nothing against Denon. I've got a Denon 3930 in my system that has performed flawlessly. No need for firmware upgrades, et al.
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$2,100...ouch!

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thanks for the May updates
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Looks like it's getting closer http://www.musicdirect.com/product/82125

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is anybody actually bypassing the denon in favor of this unit?
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I am...I have the Marantz SR8002 and the SA8001 and have been very happy
overall with Marantz products. Plus the Marantz warranty is 3 years as opposed 1 year for the Denon.

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I am...I have the Marantz SR8002 and the SA8001 and have been very happy
overall with Marantz products. Plus the Marantz warranty is 3 years as opposed 1 year for the Denon.

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good to know. all good reasons.
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Looks like it's getting closer http://www.musicdirect.com/product/82125

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That is great news that an official Marantz etailer is listing the unit.

http://us.marantz.com/1614.asp

I noted that prior to the Denon DVD-3800BDCI release, there were a couple of New York etailers listing the unit, but none of the factory authorized Denon merchants. Makes one wonder how they get the units? Note the disclamer on the warranty at Marantz's website above.

Also, for those who will purchase the unit online, reviews of online merchants can be found here.

http://www.resellerratings.com/rlist-s1-n2.html

It is useful to be able to find reviews of etailers as well as the item you are interested in purchasing. Pricegrabber, Dealtime, Nextag, and merchants who sell through Amazon provide ratings.

At any rate, as soon as the details of the BD8002 are finalized, I'll be submitting my order for either the Marantz or Denon unit. In looking at the reviews of the DVD-3800BDCI elsewhere in the AVS Forum, so far it looks like rave reviews for the unit.

I hope that the release date does not slip to June. My earlier posting was that I received from Marantz Customer Support that it was to be released sometime in May. The following at D & M Holdings Financial Report (see page 2) hints at the end of their 2007 Fiscal Year which is March 31, 2008.

http://www.dm-holdings.com/ENG/Docs/...08_Final_3.pdf

The earlier Blu-ray units listed would be the Denon units.

Hopefully, Marantz is ramping up production and we'll see them as shippable units within the next month or so.
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Should i wait to buy the Marantz BD8002 or just get the DENON DVD-3800BDCI ? Any difference in the two...
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Probably just looks. The Marantz does look better for sure. Denon gear took an "ugly" turn in the looks department IMO.

BTW Marantz always used an existing platform when it came to video products. They just don't have that extensive R&D budget like it's sister company Denon have. Usually they always spif up the audio section, and leave the video alone.

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Should i wait to buy the Marantz BD8002 or just get the DENON DVD-3800BDCI ? Any difference in the two...

Yes, audio specs should be better and the warranty for Marantz is 3 years Denon is only 1 year.

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Here's the info on the Blu-ray player.

THE BD8002

With the abrupt conclusion of the HD format war, Marantz is extremely
pleased to announce the introduction of a flagship Blu-Ray player. With high
performance audio and video DACs and a build quality akin to the DV9600,
the BD8002 is the perfect home theater solution for audiophiles and
videophiles alike. The RS232C allows the BD8002 to easily integrate into any
job. The BD8002 is expected to start shipping in June ’08. We expect to start
taking orders in April, but here some details to help get the BD8002 specified
into.

BD8002 Highlights

• Blu-Ray Video, DVD-Video, CD Audio, VCD, SVCD, MP3, WMA, DivX, JPEG
• Ready for BD-ROM Profile 1 version 1.1
• HDMI 1.3a with 36 bit Deep Color
• 297MHz/12bit Video DAC (ADV7340)
• 10-bit Silicon Optix Realta Chipset
• Scaling to 1080p
• Two SHARC DSP for HD Audio Decoding - 7.1 ch Audio output (Dolby Digital
Plus/True HD, DTS-HD Master Audio) & Raw data of HD Audio to HDMI Output
• 1920 x 1080p resolution with True24FPS
• RS232C and direct IR Inputs

$1999

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The pricing is retail, just so you know. You should see my interest list on this.

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I am patiently waiting for this Marantz. I have the SR9600 Receiver and this is the BD player I have been wanting--see some questions on the Denon ability to decode DD+ and DTS-HD HR -- seems like this will not be issue for Marantz.

I will be one of first to buy this unit once full specs are published and I can't wait!!!
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It's a shame that it is missing SACD support. Then it could've replaced my old DV8300, which I've always enjoyed. Now I will stay with my Samsung BDP-1400..

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I just picked up the Marantz 8002 AVR, but don't both BD players have the same specs ?
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I am...I have the Marantz SR8002 and the SA8001 and have been very happy
overall with Marantz products. Plus the Marantz warranty is 3 years as opposed 1 year for the Denon.

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Interesting that the warranties would be different since Marantz and Denon are owned by the same corporation...

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Here's the info on the Blu-ray player.



BD8002 Highlights

Blu-Ray Video, DVD-Video, CD Audio, VCD, SVCD, MP3, WMA, DivX, JPEG
Ready for BD-ROM Profile 1 version 1.1


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Shouldn't a BD player of this caliber be ready for profile 2.0 since the new Panasonic that is about to be introduced allegedly is ready for profile 2.0.

OR at least be upgradeable to 2.0 (for some future-proofing)

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Marantz routinely has three year warranties on many of their products.

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Okay this is for anyone who is interested in this player. If you are interested in more information on this player, please email me and I will keep news flowing when I get it.

This is NOT a pre-order list, this is NOT a list of people who will buy it. You can ask me questions on pricing along with everything else or questions you may have off board. I'll be posting more information but I'm collecting a large group of names interested in this player. It jsut makes it easire for me to hit everyone at once.

It also makes it easier to coalate for when I speak with Marantz.

Email me at richard@avscience.com and put in the subject Marantz BD8002.

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in bristol at the sound and vision show, the denon representatives haven`t ruled out the possibility of making a dual format layer. what is marantz stance on this? thank you Richard
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What do you mean by dual format? Are you referring to HD-DVD/Blu-ray or something else? If so there will not be an HD-DVD player.

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yes I meant a dual blu ray/hd dvd player.
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With Blu-ray winning the war, I don't think that Marantz has it in their plans for two reasons. While they may have had R&D in it, there is no future with HD-DVD and the cost of adding another laser pickup and all the licensing would be cost prohibitve for a format that will have nothing new past May of this year.

Secondly, there is no reason to have an HD-DVD player in a player that will be at least $400 (next gen Marantz if they make a cheap one) when you can buy them on eBay for $150 or less.

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thank you very much richard !
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Build quality for Marantz always dictates a tad higher price tag than most. Feature to feature, you make some valid points, but I can list tangible improvements in build quality in their receiver line and projector line that all add up to making it sound as good as possible and in some cases, not let anything detract from it.

Examples would be their diecast metal chassis in the VP15S1 projector line. Elminates vibrations allows the color wheel's timing to spin more accurately.

Copper chassis and toroidal power supply in the SR8002 allows for more headroom in dynamic range so you hear more frequency in your music and move soundtracks. It adds more cost and one could argue the individual additions of these, but added together they generally have better build quality and the performance is helped.

These little things are their philosphy. So is a three year warranty.

I guess we'll see. I'm not disagreeing, but the more info we know, the better we'll be.

My email inbox is smoking with requests for pricing and more info, so some find it worth at least finding out about this player.

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I spoke with Marantz this morning, the BD8002 will not be upgradable to 2.0.

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