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post #1 of 64 Old 10-05-2007, 08:09 PM - Thread Starter
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I need your help fellow members. I have stayed out of the format war so far. Been happy with regular DVD. My Denon 3930CI puts out a great picture.

The dilema, I can get a smoking deal on a brand new in the box Panasonic DMP-BD10. I already have the analog cables to go from the Panasonic to the multi channel input on my Anthem AVM 30 to enjoy Dolby True HD and DTS HD (I think the Panasonic can do DTS HD via the analog outs)

Do I do it and buy the Panasonic and start my Blu Ray collection? Do I wait for a new Blu Ray player with profile 1.1 or 2.0? Do I forget the whole thing and stick with DVD for now and wait till the war is over?

Need some guidance from you all.

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Did you consider HD DVD?

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I need your help fellow members. I have stayed out of the format war so far. Been happy with regular DVD. My Denon 3930CI puts out a great picture.

The dilema, I can get a smoking deal on a brand new in the box Panasonic DMP-BD10. I already have the analog cables to go from the Panasonic to the multi channel input on my Anthem AVM 30 to enjoy Dolby True HD and DTS HD (I think the Panasonic can do DTS HD via the analog outs)

Do I do it and buy the Panasonic and start my Blu Ray collection? Do I wait for a new Blu Ray player with profile 1.1 or 2.0? Do I forget the whole thing and stick with DVD for now and wait till the war is over?

Need some guidance from you all.

thanks.

Hey if it is truly a smoking deal then why not? Get it and start enjoying HD quality for both video and sound, life is too short.
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I started out in the HD-DVD camp own 22 movies and love the Hi def picture and the sound quality is way better than standard DVD. It was like going from VHS to DVD. No BS. I don't even get the lossless audio yet and it is still a step up.
Then a few days ago I joined the Blue Ray side. I am also impressed with the blue side. I have the player hooked up via analog and it sounds amazing. The imaging is way better. It is a big step up. Go format neutral and buy both. U won't be dissapointed.
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If you are worried about profiles, get a used 20 GB PS3.
Then pickup the A2.
No one ever regrets going format neutral.
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If you are worried about profiles, get a used 20 GB PS3.
Then pickup the A2.
No one ever regrets going format neutral.

Paramount did.

Heh, I made a funny.

Nonetheless, I've been very pleased with BD and the PS3 and recommend it highly. Can't say much about the standalones, but the movies are fantastic either or.
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Sure, Go Blu! Bu I suggest also going Red as in HD DVD. Neutrality is the place to be. All movies in High Def that are available will be yours if you want them. No studio concerns!

Dont just go Blu..... Go High Def!!!

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Go purple: red and blue.

Format neutral is the place to be!

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Do it!

For the most part if you're just into watching movies all this profile stuff won't have too much of an impact. I'm sure there will always be issues with certain titles. But the point is this... There are many great BR titles out and even more coming. You will be happy with yourself if you just get the player now and start enjoying those movies.

Worst case scenario is BR loses. But you'll still have a player and some awesome films on BR. They will always play - and I assure you whomever wins the format war, dual format players will be around much longer than the losing format will.
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neutral is the only way to enjoy HDM..

200 +++ BD discs and counting...still enjoying 60+ HD-DVD's too!!
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neutral is nice, but i started with blu-ray and id recommend blu-ray if someone was picking between one or the other. overall much better library, and a lot of HD's better movies they force you to spend extra on combo discs.
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imho, Get the player now.

Every single blu-ray player out there plays most movies flawlessly, and the look and sound of most blu-rays is just incredible.

If you have a 1080p TV, and do NOT own a blu-ray player, you are short changing your HiDef experience by a ton.

HD-DVD is nice, but frankly, there is just more stuff on blu-ray, better movies in my opinion. 95% of all paramount movies look like ass on both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD so this doesn't matter.

Only about 10 universal titles even worth watching.

But Disney, Fox, and Sony/MGM combined, have an unbelievable amount of good stuff out now, and due this fall.

Same goes for WB, but you can get WB titles on both so that doesn't matter.

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(I think the Panasonic can do DTS HD via the analog outs)

No player does DTS HD via analog yet.
Many don't even pass it via bit stream.
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neutral is nice, but i started with blu-ray and id recommend blu-ray if someone was picking between one or the other. overall much better library, and a lot of HD's better movies they force you to spend extra on combo discs.

Neutral is totally sweet but I still prefer the titles on HD DVD over Blu.

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If you can afford it, go nuetral, you wont regret. my friend (whos primarily a bd fan) just bought a 360 addon yesterday and is already filling his netflix queue up. If you can only afford just one, go blu-ray if it has the movies you want. just make sure that it plays bd+ movies. The PS3 is a sure bet though, and thats the only bd player id recommend to anyone if they want to be the least worry free when it comes to profiles, bd+, etc. either way hd movies kills dvds.
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Go Blu..... Go Hi Def...

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I quickly slipped it into my trusty PS3, and started playing.


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I love both of my HD-DVD players, but if I could get a "SMOKIN" deal on a Blu-Ray, I would do it.

SO, JUST DO IT!

Go format neutral later if you want/can afford it!

ENJOY HD!!

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imho, Get the player now.

Every single blu-ray player out there plays most movies flawlessly, and the look and sound of most blu-rays is just incredible.

Wrong. Right now Fantastic Four : Rise and Day after Tomorrow either does not play AT ALL, or barley plays on the following Blu-ray Players : Samsung 1000, 1200, LG Combo, or a PC player

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Same goes for WB, but you can get WB titles on both so that doesn't matter.

Wrong. There are still 20+ WB movies NOT available on Blu-ray with no indication that they will be coming out any time soon. This includes The Matrix Trilogy and Batman Begins.
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Wrong. Right now Fantastic Four : Rise and Day after Tomorrow either does not play AT ALL, or barley plays on the following Blu-ray Players : Samsung 1000, 1200, LG Combo, or a PC player



Wrong. There are still 20+ WB movies NOT available on Blu-ray with no indication that they will be coming out any time soon. This includes The Matrix Trilogy and Batman Begins.



Wrong. He said, "most movies," the first time (you are arguing that all movies play, he already discounted that with "most movies" on all players, not all movies on most players (but either would be true)) and "WB movies," not "all WB movies." Meaning, that WB releases on BD as well as HD DVD, not that it's a guarantee that EVERY WB title comes out on BD or HD DVD right away. Will be the same when you hear HD DVD fanboys saying that New Line releases on HD DVD. After some delay. And everyone knows those WB titles are coming, even WB has said as much. Wishing them to be eternal exclusives won't make them forever so.

Reading comprehension. Learn it, love it, live it.
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I am on the HD DVD side, but if it is a great deal go for it. After you see a few movies, you may spring for a red player too.

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Wrong. He said, "most movies," the first time (you are arguing that all movies play, he already discounted that with "most movies" on all players, not all movies on most players (but either would be true)) and "WB movies," not "all WB movies." Meaning, that WB releases on BD as well as HD DVD, not that it's a guarantee that EVERY WB title comes out on BD or HD DVD right away. Will be the same when you hear HD DVD fanboys saying that New Line releases on HD DVD. After some delay. And everyone knows those WB titles are coming, even WB has said as much. Wishing them to be eternal exclusives won't make them forever so.

Reading comprehension. Learn it, love it, live it.

Fine, I'll give you the 'most movies', but he said 'plays flawlessly' which those 2 movies on those 3 players DO NOT.

As for WB...that is wrong. He said:

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Same goes for WB, but you can get WB titles on both so that doesn't matter.

Great, you can get WB titles on both, but not all. That is something someone considering Blu-ray vs. HD DVD should know. Can you please point me to the link which says those movies are coming with release dates? So far, nothing besides speculation. Until we have dates it means nothing. Is WB went HD DVD tomorrow will those 20 HD DVD exclusive movies still come to Blu-ray? No.
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Great, you can get WB titles on both, but not all. That is something someone considering Blu-ray vs. HD DVD should know. Can you please point me to the link which says those movies are coming with release dates? So far, nothing besides speculation. Until we have dates it means nothing. Is WB went HD DVD tomorrow will those 20 HD DVD exclusive movies still come to Blu-ray? No.


I guess with your logic, NewLine is BD exclusive then???????????
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Come on guys, he didn't ask for a format debate. He asked if he should jump on a deal. Which he should. Of course the smart way to go is format neutrality.
But the first step to neutrality is buying one of the formats!

So to the OP once again.. Go for it! A deal is a deal. Enjoy HDM ASAP. Save up and add a HD DVD player in the mix when you can. Let the format war battle on in your living room.
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Is it the smart way to go though? I mean, what if one format pulls ahead of the other, than you've got basically a Betamax machine with a few Betamax movies, and wasted your money.

Wouldn't the smart move be to wait and see what happens?
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I guess with your logic, NewLine is BD exclusive then???????????

No.

1. Pans Lab. was announced for both formats with dates.
2. The only reason Rush Hour 3 and Hairspray is not coming out on HD DVD is due to no region coding. Neither of movies are even out on Blu-Ray or HD DVD right now.

There is no reason WB would hold back 20+ titles, when most of them do not use Java at all. They could easily be on Blu-Ray, but there not.
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Wrong. Right now Fantastic Four : Rise and Day after Tomorrow either does not play AT ALL, or barley plays on the following Blu-ray Players : Samsung 1000, 1200, LG Combo, or a PC player

Notice I said "Most" 1 disc not playing on a handful of players becuase of a firmware update does not cause you to not want Blu-ray. HD-DVD has had its share of firmware updates and issues.
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Wrong. There are still 20+ WB movies NOT available on Blu-ray with no indication that they will be coming out any time soon. This includes The Matrix Trilogy and Batman Begins.

Well, yes it is true there are some WB Movies still not out, but most are on both. and all future releases are set to be on both. WB has stated they will be releasing their Blu-Ray versions in the near future.

Since you brought it up, I believe New Line has anounced Blu-Ray versions of its up-comming movies day and date with the DVD and the HD-DVD version "Some time after that". Same type of thing as what WB did with a few titles, but in reverse. Don't confuse the poor guy. Blu-ray still has more titles to choose from then HD-DVD, and more studio support, and more movies due this fall. I believe Blu-Ray has something like 75 titles between now and Xmas anounced. HD-DVD has about 25-27 currently.

Blu-Ray: 88
HD-DvD: 20

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