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I don't believe the new Panny has a flip down door.
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I don't believe the new Panny has a flip down door.

It is a motorized flip down door controlled via the remote if you like.

This is more how a thread should look (aside from the shipping complaints).

the samsung 1400 thread is page after page of problems and people beta testing the hardware (samsung should be paying them for their troubles).

It's nice to read through a thread and for the most part read about a well tested and designed piece of hardware.
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YEP. The 95FD sends both TrueHD and DTS-HD MA properly to my 9.8.

What discs are you using that have DTS-HD MA?
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It is a motorized flip down door controlled via the remote if you like.

Well that's dumb, IMO. What's with these fancy covers/doors on these players? The new Sony players have them. I hate stuff like that. Am I the only one?
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Well that's dumb, IMO. What's with these fancy covers/doors on these players? The new Sony players have them. I hate stuff like that. Am I the only one?

Nope, I hate them too. It is just one more thing to break IMHO.

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What discs are you using that have DTS-HD MA?

Last Stand X men and both Transporter movies for me! Sound is very nice from these

I miss the rosewood sides on the old Pioneer Elite equipment!

Blu-ray - 576


HD DVD - 81

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Well that's dumb, IMO. What's with these fancy covers/doors on these players? The new Sony players have them. I hate stuff like that. Am I the only one?


It does not bother me at all. No biggie.

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What discs are you using that have DTS-HD MA?

I used "Men of Honor", "Ice Age 2", & "Night at the Museum". I have a few other Blu-ray titles that have DTS-HD MA but I don't recall which titles off of memory right now.
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FYI - I received another shipment today, all backorders filled and have supply to sell.

Please let us know if you need one.

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I can tell you with certainty that the 95FD passed 1080p/24fps to my projector yesterday. I have the Integra 9.8 with the resolution set to 1080P and when I played a few Blu-Ray movies my projector showed it was receiving 1080P 24fps.

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I can tell you with certainty that the 95FD passed 1080p/24fps to my projector yesterday. I have the Integra 9.8 with the resolution set to 1080P and when I played a few Blu-Ray movies my projector showed it was receiving 1080P 24fps.

My setup is:

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Anthem A5 & A2 Amps
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APC J-15 Surge (To be replaced by the Belkin today)

Do you know how i can tell if my 150FD is receiving 1080P 24fps? I show display from the BD and see that its is sending it out, but not sure what the display is receiving. greg
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I finally got my hands on a 95FD yesterday. I'll throw my comments into an otherwise postive thread...

Nice looking, great build quality, very good picture quality, bitstreams everything.

2 minutes and 24 seconds to load a Java disc (Fantastic Fout: RotSS).

Very slow to change chapters and menu navigation (again, Java based).

Ridiculous in a brand new $1000 player.

Still looking.
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I can tell you with certainty that the 95FD passed 1080p/24fps to my projector yesterday. I have the Integra 9.8 with the resolution set to 1080P and when I played a few Blu-Ray movies my projector showed it was receiving 1080P 24fps.

My setup is:

Pioneer Elite BDP-95FD
Integra 9.8
Anthem A5 & A2 Amps
Scientific Atlanta 8300 HDC DVR
Paradigm Signature Series speakers (7 channels worth)
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APC J-15 Surge (To be replaced by the Belkin today)

I know it is off topic, but which Belkin did you go with?
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Do you know how i can tell if my 150FD is receiving 1080P 24fps? I show display from the BD and see that its is sending it out, but not sure what the display is receiving. greg

On the 150 go to Pure Cinema Mode and see if you can choose the options. If they are Grayed out the 150 is not seeing 1080P/24. One note this option is not availible if you have setting to Dynamic. This happeded to my unit. I did factory reset and it worked fine but next time I turned on the player I was back to 150 showing 1080P/60 and player indicating 1080P/24. I had a 1400 player at the same time set to 1080P/24 and every HDMI input worked fine as soon as I swapped out to 95FD it didn't work. Pio is aware of issue. I gave them all the information I could and tried everything they asked me to with no luck.

So 1400 and 95 returned I am just to burnt out on finding a BD player that works. Think I am sitting this HD DVD thing for another 6 months. The moves all come to cable in HD and I rewatch them at that time. My 150 does an excellent job with SD DVD and my old Pio Elite Progressive Scan 38A model
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Has anyone been able to connect to the network to attempt a software update? When I try, I get a "cannot connect to server" message.
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I finally got my hands on a 95FD yesterday. I'll throw my comments into an otherwise postive thread...

Nice looking, great build quality, very good picture quality, bitstreams everything.

2 minutes and 24 seconds to load a Java disc (Fantastic Fout: RotSS).

Very slow to change chapters and menu navigation (again, Java based).

Ridiculous in a brand new $1000 player.

Still looking.

I had the same problem with Fantastic 4 ROTSS on the Samsung 1400. I would estimate it took at least 3 minutes to load. Maybe that disc is the problem?
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Maybe that disc is the problem?

Nope. Ask a computer guru. Java is the problem.
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Nope. Ask a computer guru. Java is the problem.

Could you elaborate? I don't have a "computer guru" handy. I think I shot the last one we had in our office.
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I'm software programmer and have played with Java a little bit. Java is just freaking slow and that is the reason I don't like it.

By the way there are Java accelators chips that could potentially help improve performance like in cell phones.
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Java is very convenient for multi-platform work and I would hardly call it slow. In fact I have worked with a cryptography toolkit in Java about 10 years ago that was faster than Netscape's C implementation at the time.

Should blu-ray have gone Java though? That is a different question. The processing power in the players seems to fall short of what is needed. Perhaps the Java virtual machine is badly implemented. Whatever the case, Java is not the problem.....the choice of java and the underlying hardware in blu-ray players, except the PS3, is the problem!
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I am a software developer as well and I don't care for Java. It is great for cross-platform compatibility but my experience is that it's performance is not great. As mentioned earlier, that could be due to a number of factors including the virtual environment in which it must ultimately run.

I definitely think it is a mistake for software companies (in this case movie studios) to go gung ho on the Java BD's when regular BD's are slow in current players. They need to wait until the hardware can handle the software - and we ain't there yet.

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.....the choice of java and the underlying hardware in blu-ray players, except the PS3, is the problem!

Kind of a semantical arguement, but okay.

Java is not the actual problem. The choice to use a programming language that is highly resource intensive and requires a processor that is faster than most PCs to run smoothly on Blu-ray, is the problem.
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The 2 developers above are right about java in relation to the Pioneer.
Robert's partially right as well, the hardware can't support the software.
3 or so minutes is about how long it takes a newer PC to boot.
With it's P4 maybe the Toshiba A1 would have been a better platform.

 

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But if I'm reading all this correctly, it's not the 95FD per se that's problematic, it's that all blu-ray players at this juncture are going to read java discs slowly until the hardware catches up?
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Hi, I'm a newbie but thought I would "chime in" (Heaven Can Wait). I had the Denon DVD-2200 which I could not part with because the picture was better than even the Oppo with up conversion (I sold the Oppo to a friend).
I got the 95FD last Friday & it is beyone my wildest dreams! I am seeing thing on upconverted DVD's that I have never seen. Also the 95 blows my modified Denon away in the sound catigory. I am hearing blacker background, more detail, and better surround than ever.
There is no noticable layer change (drives me nuts).
The only thing that is going to take some getting used to is the long load time which others have mentioned.
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Wow, the Pixar Shorts looks amazing on the 95FD. It is pure torture waiting for it to load. I hope they improve this one day!

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But if I'm reading all this correctly, it's not the 95FD per se that's problematic, it's that all blu-ray players at this juncture are going to read java discs slowly until the hardware catches up?

I'm afraid so. One solution, which is the one I believe is going to be implemented first, will be to use a Java Accelerator chip like in some cell phones.
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Is there anywhere to download an owner's manual for the 95?
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Wow, the Pixar Shorts looks amazing on the 95FD. It is pure torture waiting for it to load. I hope they improve this one day!

You know, this whole thing has me thinking...we should not just be talking about the performance of Java. We should be talking about the speed that this code can be read from the disc and loaded into memory. These menus are just programs that are stored on the disc. The problem is, in order to get these things into memory, they have to be loaded from the disc which may well be the bottleneck. If the disc could spin faster (read faster) I'd wager the boot times would decrease by the same percentage. We may be blaming the processor speed when we should be blaming the drive mechanism speed!

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Is there anywhere to download an owner's manual for the 95?

Yeah, That's strange...the manual is not on their website...but here is the brochure...for anyone interested...

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pi...17BDP-95FD.pdf

Sold out on that 95FD deal. But another sale coming in a week. PM me for info.
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