Originally Posted by bloomcounty
Hmmm... I haven't noticed any "hitching motion" watching dvds on my regular tv... But I'm wondering if that sort of thing is way more noticeable on a hidef display with a larger screen? What do you think?
Thanks for all those replies! I'm going to provide some more info for you and see if I can get a more specific opinion on a few points, if that's okay?
In no particular order, here's what is important to me (as far as my limited knowledge can determine)...
1. Bluray picture quality (and bluray compatibility -- i.e. no issues with movie discs) Sony issues frequent updates to the PS3 firmware (best obtained if you have the PS3 connected to high speed internet, either WiFi or by CAT 5) and it is generally considered the reference for BD disc compatibility.
2. SD dvd picture quality The PS3 does a very good job at de-interlacing and upscaling DVDs for output at 1080p. The only BD players that are better tend to be those using the Reon or Realta video processors (such as the Denon 3800). DVD played on the PS3 and displayed on a 1080p HDTV certainly look better than when using a SD DVD player and a std. def. dislplay.
3. De-interlacing See response to #2 above.
4. Upscaling See response to #2 above. Note that early firmware releases for the PS3 did not support DVD upscaling, so don't be mislead by older reviews of the PS3.
5. XviD/DivX .avi playback (and the PQ of it). See Post #1 for more info. PS3 supports DivX but with some limitations as to which version of DivX. I'm not into using DivX so I'll leave it to others to comment on the quality.
6. No burn-in worries (mainly because of watching a lot of 4:3 content). While this is a potential issue with Plasma displays in general, manufacturers have taken steps over the past few of years to significantly reduce the potential for burn-in. Some people use the stretch mode to fill the screen when feeding a std. def. signal to eliminate the issue, but unless a very high percent of the material you watch is 3 x 4 this shouldn't be necessary. I suggest you check out the AVS Forum for Plasma Displays for more information on the topic of burn-in (HERE).
7. Good for watching regular SD 4:3 sized stuff in center of screen (with bars on the side) -- i.e. *not* stretched to fill the screen. See response for #6 above. Most plasma HDTVs, and some upsclaing sources, let you select gray bars instead of black to reduce the potential for burn-in when watching 3 x 4 material. Also many plasma HDTVs include an orbit function of help reduce the potential for burn-in.
7a. Accurate display of 4:3 material center screen.
(I realize some of this would be display things, not player things, like #6.)
I won't be playing video games.
I won't be watching regular broadcast tv (for the most part) and no cable at all.
I own a lot of SD dvds that I won't be replacing with bluray versions (and I want these to look at least as good to my eye as they do now on my regular old 4:3 Toshiba 27" flatscreen tube tv). Should look significantly better than with your old setup. Also those DVD that are in widescreen format can be displayed in full widescreen mode with your new HDTV.
I also watch .avi files of tv shows (many of which are not in a HD format, so those would be letterboxed but the whole image with bars as 4:3 in center of screen).
I won't be hooking up my computer to the display.
I do like the idea of the PS3's hard drive to put the .avi files on (and I'm guessing they probably play better from the hard drive than a dvd?).
I sit about 8.5 feet from the tv, so I figure a 50" 1080p would be worth it (as I'm told that even though I plan to play a lot of SD dvds, a 720p display won't give me a better SD dvd PQ than a 1080p, even though 720p is closer to the native resolution of the SD dvds -- assuming this is correct?)
So considering all those factors above, would you say the PS3 be the top choice as a bluray and SD dvd player for this display for me? If not *the* top, but one of the top, can you suggest ones that might be more fitting?
Or is it really worth to spend the extra $ for the Pioneer (which right now is on-sale at B&M stores for $3K and the Panasonic is $2.5K at full MSRP -- though I'm waiting for that to come down well below $2K hopefully in the coming weeks). While the Pioneer Elite Kuro plasmas are somewhat better than the Panasonic plasmas, there appears to have been a recent wholesale price drop in the Panasonic plasmas with 50 inch PZ80 entry level model under $1500 at and the step up PZ85 for around $1800 at some of the big box dealers and warehouse clubs. The PZ800 and PZ850 are over $2K. The PZ85 is probably the "most bang for the buck" in the Panasonic lineup unless you can find a good deal on a PZ800. As with Panasonic, the Pioneer entry-level models do give up performance as compared to their more expenive models. Again check out user reviews in the AVS Forum area for plasma displays (HERE).
Would you get more out of the PS3 with the Pioneer because of the whole 1080p/24 thing? Or is the 1080p/24 thing not *that* much better than using 2:3 pulldown? How much difference would you say there was in regards to that in PQ in your opinion?
In relation to that, would SD dvds look better played on the PS3 on the Panasonic in question or the Kuro? (And how much better?)
Out of curiosity, what is the advantage of 480i output from your player for SD dvd? That would just mean than you'd be letting your display de-interlace and then do all the upscaling, right? If so, then that doesn't even matter because the PS3 probably does all that better than the Panasonic display, right? (And this seems to be only done better by the Kuro, right?) So unless you had the Kuro and were letting it do all the work (and had a player that did output in 480i), it doesn't really matter -- is that right?
And thanks again to you both for the replies! And thanks again for fielding my newbie questions (and helping me make a sound decision when it comes to spending so much $).