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Folks here is the word from Silicon Image the SiL9132 does not support TrueHD or DTS-HD MA via bitstream, we can move on now:


date Nov 27, 2007 1:05 PM
subject FW: SiL9132 HDMI transmitter


John,

9132 doesn't support Dolby True HD and DTS HD.

Thanks,
Michael

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From: John Haghighi
Sent: Donnerstag, 22. November 2007 18:35
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Subject: SiL9132 HDMI transmitter

Hi,

I am trying to determine whether the SiL9132 HDMI transmitter supports
bitstream of Dolby TrueHD and DTS HD Master audio, the advanced lossless
audio codecs. Can you please confirm whether the SiL9132 has the
capacity to pass this bitstream?

Thanks,
John
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Thanks for looking into this. That is a real shame.

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IMO, no one should have been allowed to designate an HDMI interface as "1.3" without the capability of a full featureset.

1080p and lossless audio. EVERY BD should have them both.
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Does that mean it will never even decode it internally and output it as mulit-ch-pcm? That's all I would want out of it.
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IMO, no one should have been allowed to designate an HDMI interface as "1.3" without the capability of a full featureset.

yeah its marketing, if you look at the specifications that HDMI posted there is nothing specific that mandates support, that's why it's best to ask what features an hdmi device supports, it blows, Sony is one of the sponsoring founders as well!
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Does that mean it will never even decode it internally and output it as mulit-ch-pcm? That's all I would want out of it.

No it does not. That is a software implementation that can still be done and sent as LPCM, similar to how TrueHD is handled today on the PS3.
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Nice to see that you finally got a response. Silicon Image ignored my past emails on that subject.
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IMO, no one should have been allowed to designate an HDMI interface as "1.3" without the capability of a full featureset.


That is not the CEs fault but HDMIs. They left wiggle room and someone wiggled. Are we shocked.
http://www.hdmi.org/learningcenter/faq.aspx#hdmi_1.3

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Consumers should not look for a particular version of HDMI, but rather for the functionality that they want the device to support (Deep Color, specific audio formats, etc.). Alternatively, consumers can look for support for these features called out in the manufacturer's product information.


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Cool, I've emailed them before too with the exact question and got no response. Its pretty much as we expected and I especially never expected Sony to implement it even if it was capable....Panny 30 here I come!

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Damn that kinda sucks.
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Bull ****!

I will elaborate a bit on my Bull **** statement. Do you honestly think Sony did not see the light at the end of the tunnel, as far as audio formats, when they had Silicon Image design the SiL9132 for them. I believe it can pass both formats via Bitstream, but for some reason Sony and Silicon Image are keeping us in the dark. Anyways, if this is true I would think it should speed up the implimentation of DTS-HD MA decoding by the PS3 via LPCM, which is what I and many others have been waiting for, for months.
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who cares long as it can decode it in the player?
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who cares long as it can decode it in the player?

I do, even if the player can decode it how is it going to pass it on to the receiver?
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who cares long as it can decode it in the player?

I agree.
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I do, even if the player can decode it how is it going to pass it on to the receiver?

LPCM
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who cares long as it can decode it in the player?

but i want that little Dolby TrueHD logo to appear on my receiver!!!!!

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LPCM


How are you going to connect your PS3 to the AV receiver if it doesn't pass TrueHD via HDMI?

As far as I could tell LCPM is passing to the receiver via Toslink, which doesn't have enough bandwidth for anything higher than DTS.
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Can we keep in mind that this is first and foremost a GAME console. The fact that it has as many features as it already does is amazing. Just look at its 2 competitors and you will never complain about the PS3 again.
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LPCM

Those who have the abillity to do both (extract to LPCM over HDMI or go bitstream over 1.3 for receiver-decoding) are reporting better sound letting the receiver decode the advanced audio.

Jitter... who knows what. But they say it sounds better. I belive them.

1080p and lossless audio. EVERY BD should have them both.
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Wasn't no bitstreaming for TrueHD/MA on the PS3 already known for months now?
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How are you going to connect your PS3 to the AV receiver if it doesn't pass TrueHD via HDMI?

As far as I could tell LCPM is passing to the receiver via Toslink, which doesn't have enough bandwidth for anything higher than DTS.


The PS3 can decode TrueHD/DTS-HD-MA internally and send the decoded signal as 5.1/7.1 LPCM signal to the receiver via HDMI.
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Sorry John, but unless I see some statement from Silicon Image or Sony via a press release just not going going to by the answer from a cut and paste e-mail. Plus, not sure if I would make the title of this thread sound so concrete yet... Hell DTS on DVD barely caught on, it will be interesting if DTS HD MA will, hopefully yes, but still only a handful of HD-DVDs and Blu-Rays even have it.

Not sure but guys in this thread seem to differ with the answer you got...

http://avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthrea...=824033&page=4
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Sorry John, but unless I see some statement from Silicon Image or Sony via a press release just not going going to by the answer from a cut and paste e-mail. Plus, not sure if I would make the title of this thread sound so concrete yet... Hell DTS on DVD barely caught on, it will be interesting if DTS HD MA will, hopefully yes, but still only a handful of HD-DVDs and Blu-Rays even have it.

Not sure but guys in this thread seem to differ with the answer you got...

http://avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthrea...=824033&page=4

I am glad to see someone thinks along the same line as me.
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Um, who is this Michael? What position does he have at Silicon Image? And what authority does he have on the subject of the 9132?

Those would be a few good things to clarify to make this any more than some unidentified email from who knows. This is hardly what I would classify as Silicon Image confirming anything. Especially since others in the past have tried emailing them and have got no response. For all we know, this Michael could be a low level CSR that simply responds to emails for the company. Some clarification would be great.

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How are you going to connect your PS3 to the AV receiver if it doesn't pass TrueHD via HDMI?

As far as I could tell LCPM is passing to the receiver via Toslink, which doesn't have enough bandwidth for anything higher than DTS.

The PS3 from day 1 has been able to decode TrueHD and send it as LPCM via HDMI. It also sends uncompressed PCM tracks the same way. It also potentially can do the same with DTS-MA. You are right however, Toslink is only capable of 2.0 LPCM.

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Wasn't no bitstreaming for TrueHD/MA on the PS3 already known for months now?

No, it has only been speculation on the part of some members of this board.
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I am glad to see someone thinks along the same line as me.

I agree. No offense to the OP, but until there is an official release from Sony saying it can't be done, I'll be looking forward to it.
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I agree. No offense to the OP, but until there is an official release from Sony saying it can't be done, I'll be looking forward to it.

Keep dreaming! If the ps3 could do it, sony would have advertised that ability a long time ago. With this email correspondence, it only confirms our worst fear.

It is really lame on sony's part. With the new 40gb ps3 they still had the 9132 chip. I mean come on!

So now they'd better come out with DTS-HD MA decoding...or else
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If the ps3 could do it, sony would have advertised that ability a long time ago.

Why exactly? Did Sony advertise about the PS3's upscaling ability before it had it? Has Sony advertised about profile 1.1 capability when we all pretty well know that it will have it?

Why exactly would Sony advertise an ability that the PS3 currently does not have, regardless if it can do it or not? By your deduction, the PS3 will NOT internally decode DTS-MA as you want, because Sony has not advertised it yet.

This "email" really confirms nothing at this point.
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Sony was definitely future ready with the PS3 but when you're the first one out the gate you may not be ready for upcoming capabilities AFTER you release your product. Remember when XBOX 360 released without an HDMI connection. In the immortal words of Yoda...Difficult to see. Always in motion is future. If the PS3 could do everything that everybody wanted, it would cost way more than 399. I wouldn't hold my breath on the DTS-HD MA or 1.1 profile update either.

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Sony was definitely future ready with the PS3 but when you're the first one out the gate you may not be ready for upcoming capabilities AFTER you release your product. Remember when XBOX 360 released without an HDMI connection. In the immortal words of Yoda...Difficult to see. Always in motion is future. If the PS3 could do everything that everybody wanted, it would cost way more than 399. I wouldn't hold my breath on the DTS-HD MA or 1.1 profile update either.

Where I agree about the MA decoding it is a toss up. The player being profile 1.1 and 2.0 is really a given because of the cell processors and the HD. But I guess I could be proven wrong but highly doubt it.

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DTS-HD MA decoding via LPCM over HDMI is just fine for the PS3.

Forget about the bitstreaming, wait for the official release info from Sony (if that ever happens), it's not going to change the hardware capabilities of the SiL 9132. I think it's pretty straightforward.
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