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If the Denon 2500 has a forced 24p mode, I may consider selling my Panny BD-30K and upgrade.
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When is this player due out?

That said, my Panny BD10 has been so nice, I don't know if I can justify for DTS MA decoding (as so few movis are even DTS MA). Not even profile 1.1 / 2.0 or forced 108p24 are significant factors.. For the money, a BD-10 will do 90% of the job of this Denon..


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Product info sheets on both BD models are now on the Denon USA website and seem to differ from what was posted here. It seems the 2500 model will only output bitstream (not decoded PCM) and it's not even clear to me from the product info sheet that the more expensive model will decode DTS-MA to PCM and output it via HDMI. You might be limited to 7.1 analogue. But that's just me reading into the info provided, these product info sheets are so confusing.

http://www.usa.denon.com/DVD-3800BDCILit_924.pdf

http://www.usa.denon.com/DVD-2500BTCILit_1212.pdf

Perhaps others will digest this info and report back...
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I think the differences boil down to:

1) Video processing chip (Realta w/ all the bells 'n' whistles vs. a limited unknown commodity... perhaps the Reon or updated Faroudja)

2) Audio decoding (bitstreaming and internal decoding of advanced audio vs. bitstreaming of advanced audio only... the latter player may mux Profile 1.1 menu and soundtrack audio into standard Dolby Digital lossy such as the Panny BD30 if internal audio decoding is switched on)

Perhaps the 3800 will be built somewhat better with a heftier chassis, etc.

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Yep. This newer product info sheet is quite different from the one posted here last week. It no longer specifically says that the 2500 supports DTS Master Audio. What's that about?
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I was all set for the transport but its looking like its gonna be half the player we've been discussing after viewing that pdf file.
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If the 2500 can bitstream TrueHD, DD+, and DTS-HD, it can bitstream DTS-MA. Why would they leave that off? Makes no sense. DTS has usually wanted DTS-MA to be decoded in a surround processor.

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I am wondering if the new Pannys can do all of the above for 1/2 price.

All I am looking for is tranferring the PCM True HD / DTSMA over HDMI.


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^Have been thinking the same thing, and ordered a BD30 a couple of days ago.
The Panasonics have been the best performing/reliable machines for HDM by far.

Have the BD10 and it has worked perfectly for over a year now.
But I want to hear my DTS-MA losslessly.

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But I want to hear my DTS-MA losslessly.

I want my DTS-MA lossless too. Otherwise I would just stick w/ my BDP-S1 which has worked perfectly for nearly a year and is 100% reliable.
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I'm sure everyone's aware that there's lotsa 2500 chat in the "Denon DVD-3800BDCI" thread (that should really be in this thread)
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I am wondering if the new Pannys can do all of the above for 1/2 price.

All I am looking for is tranferring the PCM True HD / DTSMA over HDMI.

Then the Panny fits the bill (that is why I got one)! It does over HDMI/bitstream.
I'm a Denon believer (I have the 4308CI and the 5910) but I cannot see any justification for the 2500BTCI at the current price point. If it had Denon link and supported DVD-A/SACD I would buy it yesterday! But in essence it supports the same DMP-BD30 does and the Panny is here today, is a great BR player (the best I've had so far, and I went through the Sony's and Samsung's) which also happens to be fast. Denon better get fast loading times on this one otherwise it will not sell.

The only main difference is that the Denon is probably better built but since it is primarily a video transport am not sure that will matter a lot.
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went to the hqv website and looked at the products page and they list both the 3800 and 2500 for upcoming players. so i'm guessing that the 2500 will have at least the reon chip for upscaling.
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went to the hqv website and looked at the products page and they list both the 3800 and 2500 for upcoming players. so i'm guessing that the 2500 will have at least the reon chip for upscaling.

Why doesn't Denon list it on the product sheet?

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went to the hqv website and looked at the products page and they list both the 3800 and 2500 for upcoming players. so i'm guessing that the 2500 will have at least the reon chip for upscaling.

I checked out their products page. The 2500 was indeed added to the announcement alongside of the 3800, but they don't specifically say that the 2500 itself will feature an HQV chipset. I suspect that it was simply an error on their part to include the 2500 in the mix. That kind of thing happens all the time. It's annoyingly confusing, but it happens.
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is there a online shop that sales the denon blu ray player overseas to australia. do you think B&H PHOTO will sales tham. thank for you time
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Personally I don't see much point in me buying a new BR player until I can get DVDA SACD, all audio formats bistreamed and profile 2.0.

I just want a freakin player I know I'll want to hold onto longer than 6 months.
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Personally I don't see much point in me buying a new BR player until I can get DVDA SACD, all audio formats bistreamed and profile 2.0.

I just want a freakin player I know I'll want to hold onto longer than 6 months.

I wouldn't count on a universal BD player that plays both DVD-Audio and SACD to be released anytime soon, meaning within the next couple of years.

Oppo is soon coming out with a universal SD DVD player that will have an Anchor Bay scaler/de-interlacer, and it will play DVD-Audio and SACDs (with DSD bit-stream support) to boot. Given that it will only be around $400 and probably have video performance on par or better than the Realta, it would perhaps be more prudent to give that a try while waiting for an affordable Profile 2.0 player to become available.

What I said is presuming that you absolutely must have DVD-Audio, SACD and BD Profile 2.0 in your setup.
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Oppo is soon coming out with a universal SD DVD player that will have an Anchor Bay scaler/de-interlacer, and it will play DVD-Audio and SACDs (with DSD bit-stream support) to boot. Given that it will only be around $400 and probably have video performance on par or better than the Realta

I would be surprised, based on the specs you listed, if this new Oppo will out perform a Realta. I have a VP50 (with Oppo 970) and it doesn't do much with SD IMO...doesn't do NR, edge enhancement, etc.
I have a pre/pro coming Wed. with a Reon in it and will do a little shoot-out.

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I would be surprised, based on the specs you listed, if this new Oppo will out perform a Realta. I have a VP50 (with Oppo 970) and it doesn't do much with SD IMO...doesn't do NR, edge enhancement, etc.
I have a pre/pro coming Wed. with a Reon in it and will do a little shoot-out.

It all depends on how Oppo handles the feature set. The de-interlacer they are using (ABT102 Precision De-interlacing) is known to properly handle all cadences, and the scaler (ABT1018) has been established to be among the best of the best in quality and breadth of supported resolutions. Oppo said that they may incorporate 1080p/24Hz processing and output for SD DVDs, which would make it top-notch in my mind if it is done correctly. I have a lot of faith in them getting it done right, as they have always fully utilized the hardware they use.

A manufacturer could perhaps implement a Realta chip better since it has an open architecture, but that requires finesse and proper engineering; two things that CE manufacturers rarely incorporate. My Denon 2930 has a Reon in it. While I do use a little noise reduction and edge enhancement for my SD DVDs, I could definitely go without them.
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I would be surprised, based on the specs you listed, if this new Oppo will out perform a Realta. I have a VP50 (with Oppo 970) and it doesn't do much with SD IMO...doesn't do NR, edge enhancement, etc.
I have a pre/pro coming Wed. with a Reon in it and will do a little shoot-out.

Which pre/pro? 885 or 9.8?
(I too will be greatly surprised if the new Oppo will out perform a Realta)
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I recall when the Panasonic BD30 was released some people dismissed it because it did not have onboard decoding for DD+/TrueHD and DTS-HD/MA. But here is the Denon 2500 at more than double the cost and it does not have any HD format decoding as well.

Add to that it has no 5.1 analog output, optical output or component output. So unless you have a 1.3 HDMI receiver/pre-pro the 2500 it is of no use to you. At least with the BD30 you could use the 5.1 analog output or the optical output till you bought a 1.3 HDMI receiver pre-pro. I do not understand Denon's thoughts on this one. I understand it is being billed as a "transport" but at least include a component output.

The 2500 I am sure will have a better build quality than the BD30 but unless its video quality is much improved over the BD30 I do not understand why someone would buy one. Especialy when the BD30 can be bought for less than half the cost.

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It looks like Denon has brought a perfect Bluray transport for those of their customers who have upgraded to a 3808 or 4308 receiver, or a competitive model that can handle all of the new audio codecs and HDMI transport.

It's a purposely simple device that is not backwards compatible with older mating electronics. For those buyers in that universe it will be an excellent solution, others will choose another player.

That wasn't that hard now, was it?
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It looks like Denon has brought a perfect Bluray transport for those of their customers who have upgraded to a 3808 or 4308 receiver, or a competitive model that can handle all of the new audio codecs and HDMI transport.

It's a purposely simple device that is not backwards compatible with older mating electronics. For those buyers in that universe it will be an excellent solution, others will choose another player.

That wasn't that hard now, was it?

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The 2500 has not even been released and you are already calling it "a perfect Bluray transport". What experience with 2500 do you base this statement on? I have the 3808 so I am in "that universe" but will not spend more than double what I spent on the BD30 for the 2500. And no it "wasn't that hard" for me to figure out.

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I recall when the Panasonic BD30 was released some people dismissed it because it did not have onboard decoding for DD+/TrueHD and DTS-HD/MA. But here is the Denon 2500 at more than double the cost and it does not have any HD format decoding as well.

Add to that it has no 5.1 analog output, optical output or component output. So unless you have a 1.3 HDMI receiver/pre-pro the 2500 it is of no use to you. At least with the BD30 you could use the 5.1 analog output or the optical output till you bought a 1.3 HDMI receiver pre-pro. I do not understand Denon's thoughts on this one. I understand it is being billed as a "transport" but at least include a component output.

The 2500 I am sure will have a better build quality than the BD30 but unless its video quality is much improved over the BD30 I do not understand why someone would buy one. Especialy when the BD30 can be bought for less than half the cost.

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What's hard to understand? Denon made a decision to introduce a product aimed very specifically at those with the newest equipment that don't need onboard processing of the advanced codecs. Those same people have NO need to component or analog outputs. So why should Denon include them? Are you pissed off at Denon for some reason?

Denon equipment is know to be quite excellent. And people are willing to pay for it. I could have gotten a cheaper Onkyo or Pioneer amp, but I chose Denon for it's build quality and reliability. It's a superior product. I've had Denon amps for years and would never get another brand. I'm more than happy to pay for the Denon name and quality. Is that so terrible?

The upcoming Denon 2500 may or may not be of better quality than the Panasonic 30. I'll bet it will be. And people will pay for it. You may not, but many others will.
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Hold your horses!!!!!!!!!!!

It looks like this player will only output 2 channel PCM!
http://usa.denon.com/DVD-2500BTCILit_1212.pdf

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*1) Dolby TruHD bitstream, Dolby Digital Plus bitstream, Dolby Digital bitstream, DTS-HD bitstream, DTS bitstream, LPCM (2-ch)

In the fine print under Advanced Features.....
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it's got to be a mistake.
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What's hard to understand? Denon made a decision to introduce a product aimed very specifically at those with the newest equipment that don't need onboard processing of the advanced codecs. Those same people have NO need to component or analog outputs. So why should Denon include them? Are you pissed off at Denon for some reason?

Denon equipment is know to be quite excellent. And people are willing to pay for it. I could have gotten a cheaper Onkyo or Pioneer amp, but I chose Denon for it's build quality and reliability. It's a superior product. I've had Denon amps for years and would never get another brand. I'm more than happy to pay for the Denon name and quality. Is that so terrible?

The upcoming Denon 2500 may or may not be of better quality than the Panasonic 30. I'll bet it will be. And people will pay for it. You may not, but many others will.

Sorry but Denon's reliability is not a universal truth. I have Denon gear and I've had to return it twice and my receiver recently had to go into service. Their service repair center is awful (they returned the unit to me non-working and with damage). Now Pioneer is in my experience (and everybody's mileage may vary here) has been superb, never broke down (I have a DVD player which is 8 years old and is constantly in use by the kids - so heavy use).
My point is I cannot understand why even the most staunch Denon fans would buy the 2500. No SACD/DVD-A? No Denon-link? The Denon-link I consider a "slap in the face" for Denon supporters. It has reportedly much less jitter than HDMI (and firewire as well), so I expected Denon to take it forward.
I and many others I assume have the Panny now and although it is not built like a fortress, it is a superb BR player, it is fast, relialble and silent. It can do all the 2500 can and more.
Unless your motto is always get the higher priced unit, I cannot see much reason for it (I was talking to a dealer in NY and he told me he has customers who won't even look at speakers priced lower than $40K, they first ask how much this is, if it is like $60K and higher they take it sometimes without even listening to the speakers!!!).
Sorry for the rant, but I do believe other posters do have a point that Denon does not make sense here. The 3800 is another story, it will be the only player to do DTS-HD MA onboard decoding and the SD-DVD will probably be much better than lower priced units such as the Panny, but in my case I already have the Denon 5910 so it is not on my shopping list.
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What's hard to understand? Denon made a decision to introduce a product aimed very specifically at those with the newest equipment that don't need onboard processing of the advanced codecs. Those same people have NO need to component or analog outputs. So why should Denon include them? Are you pissed off at Denon for some reason?

Denon equipment is know to be quite excellent. And people are willing to pay for it. I could have gotten a cheaper Onkyo or Pioneer amp, but I chose Denon for it's build quality and reliability. It's a superior product. I've had Denon amps for years and would never get another brand. I'm more than happy to pay for the Denon name and quality. Is that so terrible?

The upcoming Denon 2500 may or may not be of better quality than the Panasonic 30. I'll bet it will be. And people will pay for it. You may not, but many others will.

I understand very well maybe you do not. Did you read the post before yours? If you read it you would see I have a 3808. So if I was "pissed" at Denon why would I buy one of their receivers? Also by having a 1.3 HDMI receiver I am in the target group Denon is looking at. My point is why spend $1199 on a BR player when you can buy the BD30 for $499.

When the 2500 is released and lets say the video performance is on a par with the BD30s would you still spend more than double the amount of money just because it is a Denon? If the 2500 shows that its video performance is far superior to the BD30s then I can fully understand why someone would spend the additional money. But again if the video performance of the 2500 is equal with the BD30s then it is a waste of money IMO.

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