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Hi
I have new pdf for the Denon DVD-2500BT and noticed this:

- Complete Digital only transport to eliminate all other interferance
-Simple solution with hooking up only HDMI cable
-Discrete and separated digital video circuit and power supply to enhance clear and detail video images
-HDMI 1.3a output with Deep Colour up to 36-bit
- Bit stream output from HDMI
- Decoding Dolby Tru-HD and dts-HD master audio to PCM multi channel

I ordered one to replace Panasonic DMP-BD30

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Hi
I have new pdf for the Denon DVD-2500BT and noticed this:

- Complete Digital only transport to eliminate all other interferance
-Simple solution with hooking up only HDMI cable
-Discrete and separated digital video circuit and power supply to enhance clear and detail video images
-HDMI 1.3a output with Deep Colour up to 36-bit
- Bit stream output from HDMI
- Decoding Dolby Tru-HD and dts-HD master audio to PCM multi channel

I ordered one to replace Panasonic DMP-BD30

Dan

Link to the pdf??

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nice...this will probably be some transport. Finally a company offering a video TRANSPORT. It's about time all of the crap is taken out of these players and a simple solution piece is all that's needed.


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Link to the pdf??

I have the pdf but do not know how to link to it or attach to this thread
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Hi
I have new pdf for the Denon DVD-2500BT and noticed this:

- Complete Digital only transport to eliminate all other interferance
-Simple solution with hooking up only HDMI cable
-Discrete and separated digital video circuit and power supply to enhance clear and detail video images
-HDMI 1.3a output with Deep Colour up to 36-bit
- Bit stream output from HDMI
- Decoding Dolby Tru-HD and dts-HD master audio to PCM multi channel

I ordered one to replace Panasonic DMP-BD30

Dan

Dan,

What is price of the 2500?

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nice...this will probably be some transport. Finally a company offering a video TRANSPORT. It's about time all of the crap is taken out of these players and a simple solution piece is all that's needed.

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To bad is $500+ though
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What is price of the 2500?

Thanks, Bill

$1199 or $1299 I believe last check.
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$1199 or $1299 I believe last check.

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Thanks for the price. I will have to say at that price I will be staying with my BD30.

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Will the player/ transporter play SACD/DVD-A?



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Hi
I have new pdf for the Denon DVD-2500BT and noticed this:

- Complete Digital only transport to eliminate all other interferance
-Simple solution with hooking up only HDMI cable
-Discrete and separated digital video circuit and power supply to enhance clear and detail video images
-HDMI 1.3a output with Deep Colour up to 36-bit
- Bit stream output from HDMI
- Decoding Dolby Tru-HD and dts-HD master audio to PCM multi channel

I ordered one to replace Panasonic DMP-BD30

Dan

Very interesting in that it decodes the audio... what would be the difference between this and the higher priced Denon??

Dan, if you want, you can send me that PDF to my Email and I'll post it.
Throw me a PM if you want...
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How can it be just a transport if it can internally decode the formats?

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How can it be just a transport if it can internally decode the formats?

A very good question...I wondered that myself when I read the OP.

It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if Denon has changed the specs (and prices) on both their players.
ALOT has happened in this market since the Denons were originally announced.

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This is all I can find... old, I know.

http://usa.denon.com/Denon_DVD_Playe...se_-_Final.pdf

But like Oink says... a lot can change.
Maybe they Incorporated both into one?
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Was hoping for some new news ...
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When are these due to hit the market?


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Maybe they Incorporated both into one?

That would make alot of sense to me (as the market currently stands anyway).

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How can it be just a transport if it can internally decode the formats?

Its a digital only blu-ray player. Decoding to pcm 7.1 and bitstream (both though hdmi only), its considered a transport as there is no component video, no analog audio outs, no coax digital, no toslink digital out.

2nd page of pdf shows only 1 hdmi connection, no Denon link and detachable power cable.

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when is this out in the US
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Its a digital only blu-ray player. Decoding to pcm 7.1 and bitstream (both though hdmi only), its considered a transport as there is no component video, no analog audio outs, no coax digital, no toslink digital out.

Very, very interesting....this isn't exactly what we expected.
If I understand correctly: it decodes ALL the formats internally and outputs it thru HDMI as PCM?

Does the pdf say anything about a Realta or Reon for video?

Is there any way for us to link to the pdf or for you to somehow post it?

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Its a digital only blu-ray player. Decoding to pcm 7.1 and bitstream (both though hdmi only), its considered a transport as there is no component video, no analog audio outs, no coax digital, no toslink digital out.

When you say decoding into PCM, are you referring to TrueHD and DTS-HD MA as well and not just the lossy CODECs? If so, are you sure you aren't misinterpreting the product sheet? The player must at least internally decode legacy DD and DTS as per the BD spec and to take advantage of its secondary audio decoder.
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Hi
I have new pdf for the Denon DVD-2500BT and noticed this:

- Complete Digital only transport to eliminate all other interferance
-Simple solution with hooking up only HDMI cable
-Discrete and separated digital video circuit and power supply to enhance clear and detail video images
-HDMI 1.3a output with Deep Colour up to 36-bit
- Bit stream output from HDMI
- Decoding Dolby Tru-HD and dts-HD master audio to PCM multi channel

I ordered one to replace Panasonic DMP-BD30

Dan

hi where did you ordered it from can i have a link
thanks
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I'd like to know where this can be pre-ordered too.
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Very, very interesting....this isn't exactly what we expected.
If I understand correctly: it decodes ALL the formats internally and outputs it thru HDMI as PCM?

Does the pdf say anything about a Realta or Reon for video?

Is there any way for us to link to the pdf or for you to somehow post it?

yes, it decodes ALL the formats internally and outputs it thru HDMI as PCM.
NO Realta or Reon

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I got a little education today from a Denon dealer about the DVD-2500BT and the DVD-3800BD. First, he said he expected to see the DVD-2500BT around the end of December or first week of January. He said the DVD-3800BD would follow about 30 days later.

The interesting part is this: He said that these two players would be the only ones on the market so far to have
"Bitstream Bypass". This means they can output HD audio natively. All other players convert HD audio to PCM for the HDMI outputs -- even those with HDMI 1.3. Where this comes in handy, he said, is when you combine these players with a Denon AV receiver that has all the HD audio formats...those models being the AVR-2808CI and higher.

The other tidbit he shared with me and that I was not aware of...there are differences in how various manufactures handle Dolby and dts HD bitstreams. Pansonic, for example, outputs dts 5.1, but not 7.1. It does output Dolby 7.1. The LG dual player doesn't support 7.1 from either Dolby or dts. The Toshiba H35 only does 5.1 (all formats) via HDMI. The Pioneer Elite BDP-94H does not support dts HD....pretty confusing I would say.

This dealer claims that the Denon DVD-2500BT and DVD-3800BD will support all formats in 5.1 or 7.1. So this capability along with the fact that I own an AVR-4308CI and can take advantage of the "Bitstream Bypass" feature pretty much seals the deal for me. I put a deposit on a DVD-2500BT.
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Attachment 96757

Attachment 96758
see these pdfs for both bluray denon units

I work for a high end av shop and just received these pdfs from sales rep

Dan

 

DVD2500BT specsheet 120707.pdf 206.4501953125k . file

 

DVD3800BD specsheet 112907[2].pdf 251.0126953125k . file
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I got a little education today from a Denon dealer about the DVD-2500BT and the DVD-3800BD. First, he said he expected to see the DVD-2500BT around the end of December or first week of January. He said the DVD-3800BD would follow about 30 days later.

The interesting part is this: He said that these two players would be the only ones on the market so far to have
"Bitstream Bypass". This means they can output HD audio natively. All other players convert HD audio to PCM for the HDMI outputs -- even those with HDMI 1.3. Where this comes in handy, he said, is when you combine these players with a Denon AV receiver that has all the HD audio formats...those models being the AVR-2808CI and higher.

The other tidbit he shared with me and that I was not aware of...there are differences in how various manufactures handle Dolby and dts HD bitstreams. Pansonic, for example, outputs dts 5.1, but not 7.1. It does output Dolby 7.1. The LG dual player doesn't support 7.1 from either Dolby or dts. The Toshiba H35 only does 5.1 (all formats) via HDMI. The Pioneer Elite BDP-94H does not support dts HD....pretty confusing I would say.

This dealer claims that the Denon DVD-2500BT and DVD-3800BD will support all formats in 5.1 or 7.1. So this capability along with the fact that I own an AVR-4308CI and can take advantage of the "Bitstream Bypass" feature pretty much seals the deal for me. I put a deposit on a DVD-2500BT.

Well it sounds like you got a good salesman but not a very knowledgable one. If he thinks the Pioneer 94 is the latest modle from Pioneer where has he been for the last 2+ months. And the 95 bitstreams all the advanced codecs. And he is just trying to cloud the waters with this bypass junk. The player either bitstreams or it decodes the signal. Not that this will not be a good unit he was telling alot of half truths.

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Well it sounds like you got a good salesman but not a very knowledgable one. If he thinks the Pioneer 94 is the latest modle from Pioneer where has he been for the last 2+ months. And the 95 bitstreams all the advanced codecs. And he is just trying to cloud the waters with this bypass junk. The player either bitstreams or it decodes the signal. Not that this will not be a good unit he was telling alot of half truths.

So you are saying that the latest Pioneer does everything that the Denons do? They don't convert to PCM? Do you know if they are 1.1?
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So you are saying that the latest Pioneer does everything that the Denons do? They don't convert to PCM? Do you know if they are 1.1?

It does not do everything since the Denon will decode DTS HD MA as well as send it bitstream. And no the Pioneer is not a 1.1 unit. But yes the Pioneer can send both TrueHD and DTS HD MA via bitstream to a 1.3 receiver to decode.


I just think it is funny since one of the selling points for the Denon will be it can decode and send both TrueHD and DTS HD MA and send as PCM. Which the Pioneer can do with TrueHD just not DTS HD MA.

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Attachment 96757

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see these pdfs for both bluray denon units

I work for a high end av shop and just received these pdfs from sales rep

Dan

Thanks for the PDFs. The transport looks to have a very solid build quality.
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