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post #5161 of 16841 Old 04-29-2009, 08:36 PM
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Well, okay then, as long as you understand it..
I would hazard a guess that most receivers that have HDMIi can also decode hi-res audio. Otherwise what would be the point of having HDMI in the first place? Just to pass along the video signal?

Receivers with HDMI just a couple years ago couldn't decode audio at all--functionally they were just HDMI switches. My brother has a Sony like this, and the Pioneer 1015 (or maybe the 1016) was like this, too.

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Well, okay then, as long as you understand it..
I would hazard a guess that most receivers that have HDMIi can also decode hi-res audio. Otherwise what would be the point of having HDMI in the first place? Just to pass along the video signal?

You'd be wrong. The Marantz 4001, 4002, 4003, 5001, 5002, 6001, 7001 and 8001 all accept HDMI audio but do not decode DTS-MA and TrueHD internally. Same with the Onkyo 604, 576, Pioneer 918, HK AVR 247 and 347, Yamaha 661, 861, and many others. Its only this year that sub $350 models from Yamaha, Onkyo, Pioneer and others can decode TrueHD and DTS-MA internally.

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Noone has responded to this very excellent question, so I thought I'd bump it, and second the request for info. I'm getting the impression from scanning a lot of threads on here that sony and panasonic are the most reliable and bug free players, and these are their lowest price models with Hi-Res decoders and 5.1 analog outputs...since were talking about $400, I'd like to know if there is a consensus on the better player.
OT, but for the life of me I can't figure why a company would go to the expense of putting decoders for multichannel audio in their players but then give it only 2 channel analog outs. What am I missing here?

You should not see a big difference in video quality from both players, but the Panny has additional video adjustment like Gamma , color ect... for fine tuning.

Audio adjustment are about the same for both players , BUT the analog audio from the panny is a lot better. It is richer and has better bass.

The panny also have component out in 720p/1080i for older displays.

I think the panny wins also for sd upscaling.

The Sony looks better and weights almost twice as much. Since it is from Japan and the panny from china.

Enjoy you new player.
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I'm currently using another form of HD disc playerThink it may be time to switch to Blu
Was wonder if anyone has compared the up scaling abilites of say Panasonic BD-60, JVC XV-BP1 or Pioneer BDP 120. I would guess all would have equal picture quality on Bluray. I really like the way my current HD player makes my DVDs look wonder if one of the above is better than the other as far as DVDs go.

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Hey guys, am buying my first player this weekend, so some advice will be much appreciated. I basically have a choice between 4 players here. The LG BD370, the Samsung BD-P1500 and the Sony BDP-S350 or BDP-S550. At the moment I'm probably leaning towards one of the Sony's. Now the first three players mentioned above cost roughly the same, while the S550 cost almost double what any of the others cost. (African economics). I've been thinking the BDP-S350 should be fine, as i'll be hooking it up to a Yamaha RX-V663 and let the receiver do the decoding, but now I wonder.
Been talking to the guy in the AV shop (a mistake, i know) and he is convinced that the S550 is a later model player with a better upscaler and better DACs in it. Can this be true? Should I rather go for the S550?
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I just bought a kuro 5020 tv a vsx-03txh receiver and I now need to buy a blu-ray I will be getting a surround system in the near future it will be a 5.1 system (Energy speakers) with a sub. I need help in picking a player, should I go with the bdp-51 or bdp-05 or the new one out bdp-320 or the new elite bdp-23. Which one will go best with what I have..I like the price of the bdp-51, I know about the bugs from reading up in this forum so can I get some input from you guys who have more knowledge than me to which one to buy..

Thanks in advance for any help.. I am concerned with the best pq and sound from this player..
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I'm currently using another form of HD disc playerThink it may be time to switch to Blu
Was wonder if anyone has compared the up scaling abilites of say Panasonic BD-60, JVC XV-BP1 or Pioneer BDP 120. I would guess all would have equal picture quality on Bluray. I really like the way my current HD player makes my DVDs look wonder if one of the above is better than the other as far as DVDs go.

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i too am ready to go blue ray. i have a tosh hd a2 dvd player with a sammy lan52 550 lcd1080p tv .for now will go either optical or coax depending on blue ray player per costconstraints . i have beed reading on the panny60 lg 370 pioneer 51 and the sony 350. is there any difference in audio quality per optical or coax in these players. also do yiu think i will see a inprovement in upconversion in these players compared to my a2 player..what i have read it seems the panny- 60 would be a good fit your thoughts .... thanks....
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Hey guys, am buying my first player this weekend, so some advice will be much appreciated. I basically have a choice between 4 players here. The LG BD370, the Samsung BD-P1500 and the Sony BDP-S350 or BDP-S550. At the moment I'm probably leaning towards one of the Sony's. Now the first three players mentioned above cost roughly the same, while the S550 cost almost double what any of the others cost. (African economics). I've been thinking the BDP-S350 should be fine, as i'll be hooking it up to a Yamaha RX-V663 and let the receiver do the decoding, but now I wonder.
Been talking to the guy in the AV shop (a mistake, i know) and he is convinced that the S550 is a later model player with a better upscaler and better DACs in it. Can this be true? Should I rather go for the S550?

I have been using the 550 for a while know and it has worked excellently. If you do not need the 7.1 analog outs than go for the 350.
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Hey guys, am buying my first player this weekend, so some advice will be much appreciated. I basically have a choice between 4 players here. The LG BD370, the Samsung BD-P1500 and the Sony BDP-S350 or BDP-S550. At the moment I'm probably leaning towards one of the Sony's. Now the first three players mentioned above cost roughly the same, while the S550 cost almost double what any of the others cost. (African economics). I've been thinking the BDP-S350 should be fine, as i'll be hooking it up to a Yamaha RX-V663 and let the receiver do the decoding, but now I wonder.
Been talking to the guy in the AV shop (a mistake, i know) and he is convinced that the S550 is a later model player with a better upscaler and better DACs in it. Can this be true? Should I rather go for the S550?

No. The big feature on the 550 is the analog outs. With your Yamaha you don't need it. The 350 will work perfectly.
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Thx guys. the S350 it is then!
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dotVibe,
I would wait for the new Sony blu-ray players also check out the new panasonic bd60 or samsung bd-p1600.

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I have an older toshiba 65" rptv that accepts 1080i natively. I also own a ps3that I have been using for BD. I recently bought a Denon 3808 and it came with a Denon dvd-2500btci. I have a few options. 1) I can keep the 2500 and hook it up and I will still keep the PS3 for gaming or for any 2.0 content I want to access (which I rarely do). 2) I can sell the 2500 and use the proceeds to purchase another bd player that might outperform both of these 3) I can sell the 2500 and buy another bd player or use the ps3 exclusively for everything (which I will be using lpcm with the 3808).

I have a few questions:

1) Will the 2500 have any significant improvements in PQ/SQ over the PS3 when playing BD content?

2) How will the 2500 compare to the PS3 in PQ/SQ with SD DVD content?

3) Would there be any options that might be better than either one of these for BD and SD content (that would stay in the $300-400 range as that might be what I could sell the 2500 for)?

4) Would I be best served keeping all that I have now using the 2500 for just straight BD movie watching, the ps3 for any profile 2.0 features, and one or the other for upconverting sd?

BTW, I have not opened up the 2500 to make specific comparisons in case I want to sell it. Also, It is likely I will upgrade my tv to a 1080p projector in the near future. Would that change your recommendations?

Thank You in advance,

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I would wait for the new Sony blu-ray players also check out the new panasonic bd60 or samsung bd-p1600.

The only thing new about the new Sony's is wireless.
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I have a few questions:

1) Will the 2500 have any significant improvements in PQ/SQ over the PS3 when playing BD content?

2) How will the 2500 compare to the PS3 in PQ/SQ with SD DVD content?

3) Would there be any options that might be better than either one of these for BD and SD content (that would stay in the $300-400 range as that might be what I could sell the 2500 for)?

4) Would I be best served keeping all that I have now using the 2500 for just straight BD movie watching, the ps3 for any profile 2.0 features, and one or the other for upconverting sd?

BTW, I have not opened up the 2500 to make specific comparisons in case I want to sell it. Also, It is likely I will upgrade my tv to a 1080p projector in the near future. Would that change your recommendations?

1) No. (Assertions to the contrary lack any objective support. If someone can point you to test bench results you can use to compare the two, you can draw your own conclusions.))

2) Depends on how well your receiver upscales. The 2500 assumes you will be doing all video and audio processing externally.

3) The Oppo, maybe.

4) The Denon can only bitstream audio. This is a problem when using secondary audio on BDs. IMO the PS3 is a better choice now, with your 1080i display, and for BD will be just as good when you upgrade your display.

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Am going to be getting a Blu-Ray player soon but will need to ultimately put 3 units in my home. I am partial to giving the studios as little money as I possibly can while staying within the confines of legality. So when I upgrade to Blu-Ray I want to be able to play whatever movie I own/rent in whichever room I happen to want to watch it...

Home Theater:
Denon AVP-A1HDCi Pre/Pro->Lumagen Radiance XD->Pioneer Elite Pro 151FD

Kids Playroom:
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Pioneer Elite VSX-01TXH->Sharp Aquos

Any thoughts, different players in each room is possible based on price/perf/features...
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thx for your input. I would like to ask a question about your response to #2

"2) Depends on how well your receiver upscales. The 2500 assumes you will be doing all video and audio processing externally. "

The denon 3808 is what I would be scaling with which uses dcdi by faroujda. Some threads I have looked at are critical of this scaler, others like it. I have an older oppo 971h that uses a faroudja chip and I always thought it did a good job upscaling. Is it likely the 3808 will upscale just as well or better than the oppo 971h?

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thx for your input. I would like to ask a question about your response to #2

"2) Depends on how well your receiver upscales. The 2500 assumes you will be doing all video and audio processing externally. "

The denon 3808 is what I would be scaling with which uses dcdi by faroujda. Some threads I have looked at are critical of this scaler, others like it. I have an older oppo 971h that uses a faroudja chip and I always thought it did a good job upscaling. Is it likely the 3808 will upscale just as well or better than the oppo 971h?

Well, when you get your 1080p display the 3808 will become the superior upscaler, I expect, since the 971 only does 1080i. But whether the 3808 is the equal of the top-tier upscalers seems doubtful.

In your shoes I would sell the 2500 asap while you still can. Save the money. When you upgrade your display, try it with the PS3 and see how you feel about it as an upscaler. Feed the 3808 some 480i from your old Oppo and see how the AVR's upscaling looks. Then decide if you need an upgrade.

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Hi Everyone,

this is my first post. I am going to purchase my first BR player tomorrow and due to my location (BFE Virginia) and budget I only have a few choices. Please let me know what you think is the best way to go. Thanks in advance!!!


Samsung BD-P1500

Panasonic DMP-BD60K (I don't really need the you tube features)

Sharp BD-HP16U

Sony BDP-S350

Any help would be appreciated!!!

All the best!
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Among those, definitely the Panasonic.
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Among those, definitely the Panasonic.

could you explain why?
i am also looking for a new player, any any insite would help.
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could you explain why?
i am also looking for a new player, any any insite would help.
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Take my comments with a grain of salt but, from my research Sony and Panasonic are the most diligent with updates and are the most reliable BD players --> eliminate Samsung and Sharp from the list. Sony is, wellit's Sony and should be hated no matter what so that's off the list as well. That leaves Panasonic. Good choice!
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could you explain why?
i am also looking for a new player, any any insite would help.
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If you want Netflix, Samsung. Otherwise, Panasonic first, then Sony. And remember, Blu-Ray probably won't rock your world if you've been watching DVD's with an good upscale player.
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Hi. Just got a Pioneer Elite 111FD. Looking for suggestions for a blu ray that matches well and will get the most out of the (outstanding) TV. Suggestions?
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If you want Netflix, Samsung.

Wrong. That Samsung doesn't have Netflix. It, like the listed Sony, doesn't decode DTS-MA either.

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And remember, Blu-Ray probably won't rock your world if you've been watching DVD's with an good upscale player.

Totally wrong, unless you're watching from across the room on a tiny screen.
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I'm going to buy a blu ray player soon. My main criteria is the best possible dvd upscaling. I have a very large collection of DVDs that I'm not going to replace with blu ray. Blu ray will slowly work itself into the collection as new titles come out. There are a few things in my collection I might replace with blu ray. But mostly I want the best dvd upscaling available.

Right now I'm leaning toward the new Oppo. Any other ideas. Another possibility is to use my Denon 789 receiver for upscaling. The Denon 1800bd is also on my list. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
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Ok i have Pio 111fd pio display and currently bdp-51 but i got it for $399+ta=440
so i'm gonna return it as it's within 30 days from BB.

Needs to have 7.1 analogs and DTS-HD, Dolby-HD, dolby 5.1 decoder too.
Has to have excellent PQ and Excellent upconversion from DVD.
BTW loading speeds are nice too and i think bdp-51 is a turtle.

What would you guys recommend as replacement now. Here is my thoughts.

Samsung 3600 is blazing fast loading speeds, faster then Ps3, excellent PQ but is it better then bdp-51 ? Also don't look that attractive to me and on expensive side.

Panasonic 60/80 awesome pricing but is it as fast as samsung. Probably not.
Not sure about PQ.

or wait for bdp-320 but it don't say it can do dolby 5.1 older codec ???
Kuro link probably is marketing gimmic but if not might be nice feature?

If anyone could suggest something else. I'm listening. BTW $1000 for Blu ray is not my idea. Would rather spend that much on AV.

Guys i just returned my 51fd for credit of $440. Now i'm on the hunt for new player. 51's can now be bought for $225-240 so if no PQ no up scaling, no speed improvement then spending another $150 for pio 320 is not worth it. Soon probably around $199 where it will stay i think. Based on what i read on that thread. For what DTS-MA that will eventually be in 51's anyway. Is kuro link really worth it? I like 51's PQ and upscalling was just ok for me. OPPO if it's superior in upscaling then it might be my next bet, however i don't have many dvd's anyway so i might not care for it. I will be looking into pana bd60/80 and oppo. Just passed on samsung and sony. Checked samsung at BB and all looked cheaply made. Sony not enough features comparing to pana. Pana 60/80 are so heavy. VERY GOOD!!! Which means internal components are packed. I'll either buy pana 60 or oppo or 51fd again or 320 but so far leaning towards pana 60 or oppo. Need to researched further. Any comments from owners much appreciated.
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I am down to the Pioneer BD51FD and the Panasonic BD60k.

Any thoughts here....the Panasonic sounds like the better player but would like to keep brands together due to the kuro link.

Should I break brands and buy the Panasonic blue ray or go with the Pioneer?
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That's a toughie. I have the Pio 111 and bought the 51FD, pre-release, based on advance word. I have not been the least bit disappointed. The 51's PQ and AQ are great (even though everyone and his grandmother knows that DTS-MA decoding is coming soon with a firmware update), and as a bonus, CDs sound better than I've heard them before.

I've had no problems with the 51. Others have, some possibly because of evolving of the BD format. I have not owned any other BD player to compare the 51 with.

You could do a ton of reading, but at the current 51FD price, I'd go for it again.

Congrats on your future 111! You'll be amazed.

Just my opinion.
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I am down to the Pioneer BD51FD and the Panasonic BD60k.

Any thoughts here....the Panasonic sounds like the better player but would like to keep brands together due to the kuro link.

Should I break brands and buy the Panasonic blue ray or go with the Pioneer?

What about the Panasonic makes it sound like the better player ? I have no knowledge of specs on it and as a current 51FD owner I'm just curioius.
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I am down to the Pioneer BD51FD and the Panasonic BD60k.

Any thoughts here....the Panasonic sounds like the better player but would like to keep brands together due to the kuro link.

Should I break brands and buy the Panasonic blue ray or go with the Pioneer?

I assume you evaluated the forthcoming Oppo as well? That's what my 111FD is fiending.
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