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Thanks for the advice, I don't buy DVD's and will not likely buy BluRay, but being able to rent BluRays from Netflix would be nice.

I am definitely leaning toward BluRay, just needed the nudge. :0)

I keep my huge Blu-ray collection stored at Netflix. :0)
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Thanks for the advice, I don't buy DVD's and will not likely buy BluRay, but being able to rent BluRays from Netflix would be nice.

I am definitely leaning toward BluRay, just needed the nudge. :0)

IMO, based on your 32" TV and no sound system, BD would be a waste of money. Rather, start building up your sound system and perhaps a bigger TV (think large plasma, best bang for buck). THEN, buy something you MIGHT see the benefit of. Personally, BD is highly over-rated. The ones who praise it most, are the ones who spent the most.
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Thanks for the advice, I don't buy DVD's and will not likely buy BluRay, but being able to rent BluRays from Netflix would be nice.

I am definitely leaning toward BluRay, just needed the nudge. :0)

if you're leaning towards a new display, think large, think fun, think a front projector and 100"+ screen. much more fun than a little plasma/scd set.
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I currently have a Sony BDP-S350, works fine but picture quality I think should be better. System is all set to 1080P, and using HDMI cables. TV is DLP Samsung HL-S5687W. Would a different Bluray player make a difference? Or the next model up from Sony? Looking at the Samsung BD-P4600, OPPO BDP-83, or Sony BDP-S560? Any suggestions?

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I currently have a Sony BDP-S350, works fine but picture quality I think should be better. System is all set to 1080P, and using HDMI cables. TV is DLP Samsung HL-S5687W. Would a different Bluray player make a difference? Or the next model up from Sony? Looking at the Samsung BD-P4600, OPPO BDP-83, or Sony BDP-S560? Any suggestions?

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probably not as much as you'd like. id upgrade the display first. if you still want a twinge better video for the price the oppo will probably give you the best bang/buck or perhaps one of the new pioneers like the 23.
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I currently have a Sony BDP-S350, works fine but picture quality I think should be better. System is all set to 1080P, and using HDMI cables. TV is DLP Samsung HL-S5687W. Would a different Bluray player make a difference? Or the next model up from Sony? Looking at the Samsung BD-P4600, OPPO BDP-83, or Sony BDP-S560? Any suggestions?

John

The general forum consensus is that all Blu-ray players have very similar picture quality when producing 1080p signals from 1080p24 sources, which is the large majority of Blu-ray titles. DVD performance may differ, as will interlaced Blu-ray sources like concert videos.

Are you using a calibration disc? I would advise doing that before spending money on new gear. It can make a greater difference.

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probably not as much as you'd like. id upgrade the display first. if you still want a twinge better video for the price the oppo will probably give you the best bang/buck or perhaps one of the new pioneers like the 23.

What do you mean upgrade the display??

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The general forum consensus is that all Blu-ray players have very similar picture quality when producing 1080p signals from 1080p24 sources, which is the large majority of Blu-ray titles. DVD performance may differ, as will interlaced Blu-ray sources like concert videos.

Are you using a calibration disc? I would advise doing that before spending money on new gear. It can make a greater difference.

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No I have never used a calibration disc, did not know there was such a thing. Still new to all this stuff. Where do I get one, and is there a certain one I should look for??

Thanks for all the help guy's

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What do you mean upgrade the display??



No I have never used a calibration disc, did not know there was such a thing. Still new to all this stuff. Where do I get one, and is there a certain one I should look for??

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There is a writeup here: What are some recommended calibration discs?

This is part of the OPPO BDP-83 FAQ, but the advice is generally applicable.

At this level we are just tuning up the user controls on your TV: brightness, contrast, saturation, hue/tint. But that can make a dramatic improvement.

If you have a DVD collection you probably already have the THX Optimizer included among them. It's a good way to start.

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I'm finally making the leap (I think) and wanted some input before I buy something that may be too much player for what I need. I'm hooking up to a 2004 Mits WS65813 RP set with no HDMI (dammit). I know I'll need a converter like the HDfury to get upconverted standard DVDs over HDMI to component. This is the most important issue for me and BD is sort of secondary. Like to keep the player under 300.00. Anyone have a similar set up?

Thanks in advance.

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Thanks for the help. I am going to order up the disc.

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I'm looking to buy a Blu-ray player for my 720p projector and 106" diagonal screen. I also watch a lot of SD DVD's, so I would like nice upconversion. Should I buy the 2500 or BD60, and why? I can get a new 2500 for $199. Thanks.
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Jack, I have the Mits 65712. I recently upgraded my HT Processor to an Onkyo PR-SC885 (same as Integra 9.8) so HDMI just became very important to me. Since the best my set has is RGBHV, I installed a HDFury2 (after MUCH research). I don't have a BlueRay player yet, but I can tell you the HDFury2 is a no brainer. The picture quality for even standard DVDs and DSS is great! I will probably grab a PS3 for BR next week. If you get the HDFury2, which I recommend, get it from CurtPalm. They have great support. I got the green kit. It gives you all of the connections you need for the Mits. I assume you don't have DVI either.

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I'm finally making the leap (I think) and wanted some input before I buy something that may be too much player for what I need. I'm hooking up to a 2004 Mits WS65813 RP set with no HDMI (dammit). I know I'll need a converter like the HDfury to get upconverted standard DVDs over HDMI to component. This is the most important issue for me and BD is sort of secondary. Like to keep the player under 300.00. Anyone have a similar set up?

Thanks in advance.

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I'm looking to buy a Blu-ray player for my 720p projector and 106" diagonal screen. I also watch a lot of SD DVD's, so I would like nice upconversion. Should I buy the 2500 or BD60, and why? I can get a new 2500 for $199. Thanks.

The 2500 has better dvd upscaling than the BD60. The BD60 has better blu-ray picture quality than the 2500.
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The 2500 has better dvd upscaling than the BD60. The BD60 has better blu-ray picture quality than the 2500.

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I thought the players were all about the same quality with Blu-ray discs?
Does the BD60 have any features that the 2500 doesn't?
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Jack, I have the Mits 65712. I recently upgraded my HT Processor to an Onkyo PR-SC885 (same as Integra 9.8) so HDMI just became very important to me. Since the best my set has is RGBHV, I installed a HDFury2 (after MUCH research). I don't have a BlueRay player yet, but I can tell you the HDFury2 is a no brainer. The picture quality for even standard DVDs and DSS is great! I will probably grab a PS3 for BR next week. If you get the HDFury2, which I recommend, get it from CurtPalm. They have great support. I got the green kit. It gives you all of the connections you need for the Mits. I assume you don't have DVI either.

Good luck,

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I do have DVI. I was told that doesn't do all that much for me, though.
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I thought the players were all about the same quality with Blu-ray discs?

They are.
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I do have DVI. I was told that doesn't do all that much for me, though.

If your DVI port has HDCP compliance (a copy protection scheme required for HDMI) you can use an HDMI->DVI adpater cable and any HDMI player will work with your display.

You need to check this because in the early days some DVI devices did not have HDCP.

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If your DVI port has HDCP compliance (a copy protection scheme required for HDMI) you can use an HDMI->DVI adpater cable and any HDMI player will work with your display.

You need to check this because in the early days some DVI devices did not have HDCP.

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Looking at the manual, it says I'm HDCP compliant .

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The MonitorLink input can also be used as a DVI input from other sources. The left and right audio allow the external Mitsubishi HDTV Receiver/Controller or DVI set-top box to provide audio to the TV to be able to use the TV speakers. When MonitorLink is used as DVI, it is HDCP compatible.

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Looking at the manual, it says I'm HDCP compliant .

Sounds like you're good to go. HDMI->DVI cables are cheap; check forum sponsors http://www.monoprice.com/ and http://www.bluejeanscable.com/

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Hi, I'm planning on getting a blu ray player and looking at the Panny BD60, Sony S350, Sammy 1600, and the PS3. The PS3 is arguably the best of that bunch from what I can tell, but I've already got an xbox 360 and do all my gaming there. Here's my criteria/points

1. PQ higher priority than AQ (don't need lossless)
2. upscaling quality of DVDs
3. Gaming is really not a concern - already have xbox 360
4. Don't need the frills - already stream Netflix via xbox 360 and don't need or use Pandora, Amazon live, etc
5. Looking to not break the bank - which is why I haven't pulled the trigger on the PS3
6. Just want something dependable that will get firmware upgrades so I don't have to replace every couple years. I am sure I don't have the tv picture settings correct but I can no longer watch DVDs on my sony 700H. That and I just got 3 blu rays for my birthday

Current system is:

TV - Panny TH-50PX60U plasma 50"
AVR - Sony STR-DE845
Amp - Onkyo M-282 (powers my sub)
DVD - Sony NS700H
5.1 Speakers - Polk RC85i and JBL dual 10" in-wall passive sub

My AVR is pretty old so for now (no HDMI inputs/outputs) so I'll have to connect the BD player directly to the TV using HDMI then either optical from the BD player to the AVR directly or BD to TV to AVR. Appreciate any help here on the players above.
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Hi, I'm planning on getting a blu ray player and looking at the Panny BD60, Sony S350, Sammy 1600, and the PS3.
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My AVR is pretty old so for now (no HDMI inputs/outputs) so I'll have to connect the BD player directly to the TV using HDMI then either optical from the BD player to the AVR directly or BD to TV to AVR. Appreciate any help here.

If you have any interest in lossless audio, you will need a player with multichannel analog outputs. None of the players on your list has them. Personally, I think the optical connection from BDs sounds great. But, you won't get lossless audio that way.

As for routing audio, you need to go direct to the AVR. If you run your BD player audio through the TV, you will get a stereo downmix.
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If you have any interest in lossless audio, you will need a player with multichannel analog outputs. None of the players on your list has them. Personally, I think the optical connection from BDs sounds great. But, you won't get lossless audio that way.

As for routing audio, you need to go direct to the AVR. If you run your BD player audio through the TV, you will get a stereo downmix.


No I am ok with using the optical...lossles audio isn't a priority right now
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I think i'm almost decided on the OPPO BDP-83 [IMG]http://***************/9/P/i.jpg[/IMG]
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Hi, I'm planning on getting a blu ray player and looking at the Panny BD60, Sony S350, Sammy 1600, and the PS3. The PS3 is arguably the best of that bunch from what I can tell, but I've already got an xbox 360 and do all my gaming there. Here's my criteria/points

1. PQ higher priority than AQ (don't need lossless)
2. Gaming is really not a concern - already have xbox 360
3. Don't need the frills - already stream Netflix via xbox 360 and don't need or use Pandora, Amazon live, etc
4. Looking to not break the bank - which is why I haven't pulled the trigger on the PS3
5. Just want something dependable that will get firmware upgrades so I don't have to replace every couple years. I am sure I don't have the tv picture settings correct but I can no longer watch DVDs on my sony 700H. That and I just got 3 blu rays for my birthday

Current system is:

TV - Panny TH-50PX60U plasma 50"
AVR - Sony STR-DE845
Amp - Onkyo M-282 (powers my sub)
DVD - Sony NS700H
5.1 Speakers - Polk RC85i and JBL dual 10" in-wall passive sub

My AVR is pretty old so for now (no HDMI inputs/outputs) so I'll have to connect the BD player directly to the TV using HDMI then either optical from the BD player to the AVR directly or BD to TV to AVR. Appreciate any help here on the players above.

Both Panasonic and Sony are good with firmware upgrades.

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A few quick question. I think I'm going to go with a PS3 for my BlueRay player. Does it play standard DVDs as well BR? If so, is the VQ as good as a dedicated DVD player? I have an older Denon 2900 that does a great job, but it would be nice to consolidate if the PS3 does both formats. Can I download 'instant' movies from NetFlix using the PS3? I understand the quality of the downloaded movies isn't there quite yet, but its good for the kiddies! Does the size of the hard drive on the PS3 matter for BR? I can't imagine that it would. Finally, is there a player better than the PS3? I understand the load time on the PS3 is much better than most.

By the way, my AVR (Onkyo PR-SC985) does handle all of the latest codecs so I don't need the player to handle processing.

Thanks much for your help.

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Personally, BD is highly over-rated. The ones who praise it most, are the ones who spent the most.

While your suggestion of upgrading a person's audio/display equipment first was truth, the quote above is hysterically wrong. Pray tell, to what are you comparing BD technology?

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Hey,

I am looking to get a blu ray player for under $250. The cheaper the better. I just got a 50 inch Panasonic G10 tv. I am looking at Panasonic DMP-BD60. I don't need viera cast bc I have it already on my tv. Also I was looking at a samsung that has netflix on demand which i don't need bc I have that on my Xbox 360.

-Which player would you suggest for under $250?
-Is there a cheaper player then Panasonic DMP-BD60 that has the same picture quality, but not the extra stuff (viera cast)?

Thanks,
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Ok,

After reading through some of this thread, I'm thoroughly confused. I realize that what kind of player I get greatly depends on what setup I have. But I still need some help. Here's my setup:

Toshiba 57" Rear projection HDTV (only runs at 480p or 1080i - I know, old, and needs to be upgraded, but can't afford it right now). Also, it has component, or DVI input, which one should I be using?
5.1 Surround sound speaker setup (am wired in my theater room for 7.1 eventually)
Yamaha RV663 Receiver
Xbox 360 (so don't need a player with Netflix)

I know someone is going to ask me if I want all the extras that these players can come with, such as netflix streaming, etc., and the short answer is that I doubt we would use it much currently, but I guess they would be nice to have for the future. But that isn't a make it or break it deal for us.

I'm looking for a basic player that is easy to use, has good picture quality, and will upgrade DVDs well, as we have a fair amount of DVDs as well.

For those suggesting a TV upgrade, yes, I'd love to, and will eventually, but it's not in the budget in the foreseable future. I want to make the jump to Blu-Ray so that we've got a player for when the TV is upgraded, and that way I'll already have movies in that format. We also rent a ton from Blockbuster, so it would be nice to get the BR titles. Will we see that much benefit with only 480p or 1080i? I've kind of heard both yes and no, so is it even worth it for us to upgrade at this point?

Also, if Amazon carries it, that's a huge plus, as we have about $75 in GC to spend there. I was looking at those Samsungs that they're having on sale, as well as the Panasonic BD60. Are there other players I should also be considering, and what are the general thoughts on those Samsungs vs the Panny? Thanks in advance!
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Hi, I'm planning on getting a blu ray player and looking at the Panny BD60, Sony S350, Sammy 1600, and the PS3. The PS3 is arguably the best of that bunch from what I can tell, but I've already got an xbox 360 and do all my gaming there. Here's my criteria/points

1. PQ higher priority than AQ (don't need lossless)
2. upscaling quality of DVDs
3. Gaming is really not a concern - already have xbox 360
4. Don't need the frills - already stream Netflix via xbox 360 and don't need or use Pandora, Amazon live, etc
5. Looking to not break the bank - which is why I haven't pulled the trigger on the PS3
6. Just want something dependable that will get firmware upgrades so I don't have to replace every couple years. I am sure I don't have the tv picture settings correct but I can no longer watch DVDs on my sony 700H. That and I just got 3 blu rays for my birthday

Current system is:

TV - Panny TH-50PX60U plasma 50"
AVR - Sony STR-DE845
Amp - Onkyo M-282 (powers my sub)
DVD - Sony NS700H
5.1 Speakers - Polk RC85i and JBL dual 10" in-wall passive sub

My AVR is pretty old so for now (no HDMI inputs/outputs) so I'll have to connect the BD player directly to the TV using HDMI then either optical from the BD player to the AVR directly or BD to TV to AVR. Appreciate any help here on the players above.


After reading more of the owner threads for these players I'm focused on the Panny BD60, Sony S350 or the PS3. Still up in the air on spending $100 more to get the PS3, though you get alot more functionality out of it.

Appreciate any insight you all have given the equipment I own. Thanks!
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Can the first post be modified to contain a list of players talked about and links to the posts talking about them?

Is there some posts in this thread talking about the Samsung BDP-1600? Is this generally considered to be a good player? Is it missing any major features?
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