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post #12841 of 17401 Old 01-11-2012, 06:34 PM
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Does anybody here upgraded their Sony BDP-S770 to Oppo BDP-93? Is there any difference to PQ when it comes to watching Blu-rays and 3D? Not sure if it's worth upgrading based on PQ alone, I'm hoping to hear from user experience. Thanks.
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US panny won't play avi

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fatmosh, I am in the same boat as you.

LG is the best for file playback but Panasonic is better at everything else. If an actual bluray player isn't needed, you could look at WD TV for around $100 and get a cheap plain bluray player later.

Thanks guys. I ended up getting the LG from Amazon for a good price. I figure if it's no good then, well, it's Amazon, so I can return it. Ultimately, reading about the 'black flash' issue with the Panny, plus not being able to play AVI files sealed the deal.

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I wouldn't kid about something like that. What kind of monster do you think I am?

Hahaha. This is serious business.
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Does anyone have any experience with the Harman Kardon BDT-30?

I'm looking for:
- excellent BR image
- very good-excellent DVD upscaling
- very good sound over analog stereo (for movies, I have a dedicated cd player)
- preferably quick loading times

Don't care about:
- 3D
- network, streaming etc
- SACD

I had the Panasonic 310, but that series has a bug that shuts off analog audio when setting the player to 24p. Shame, as I very much liked the image quality at a good price.

Samsung 6900 (6700 in the US?) is an option, although I doubt it's analog sound quality, Pioneers (440 ans LX55) still seem somewhat buggy (which I don't want after my Panny 310 experience). What about the Yamaha 671 or 1010? How does their PQ and upscaling compare? Oppo is out of my budget range as it's much more expensive over here than in the US.
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As you are happy with 570, how about the newer LG 670?

I'm totally happy with the 570. It does exactly what i need it to do and very well. I wish I could simply buy another 570. I don't know anything about the 670. I'll look at that one and read some reviews.

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I am looking to replace my Panasonic BD60, mainly due to it slow speed. Could someone please recommend me a new player based of the following....

1) Speed, power on and disc loading.
2) PQ for BluRay only, i don't watch Dvds or netflix, etc.
3) 24p playback
4) Price $250 Max

Good upconversion, 3d, and online services aren't needed.
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Currently, I am underwhelmed with my PS3 slim. I wish the PS3 could have basic apps and shortcuts to common sites like Pandora. I wish it could have an acceptable web browser for any sort of practicle viewing.

I was debating about ditching the PS3 for a Google TV. I do agree that the PS3 being so updatabale is awesome. Currently I am jealous with my buddy that watches a lot of free TV from the internet via google searches. He can see Youtube wide and clear on his TV, along with many other sites. I guess I can at least play Blu-Rays on my PS3
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I'm looking for a Blu-ray player for my home theater system that I'm putting together. I don't need something super high-end, just something that's good quality and will present a good picture. Needs to output 1080p (which I assume is all blu-ray players). I do not need 3D capability. Doesn't need the special apps, but seem like most come with them.

I'll be hooking this up to a Samsung 55" LED TV and Denon 2112ci receiver.

What are some good brands? What's the major difference between the $100 and the $300 players?
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What's the major difference between the $100 and the $300 players?

The things you don't want.

"The dream never dies, just the dreamer."

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The following review claims that the panasonic 210 has a slightly, but noticeably better picture compared to the ps3:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/24433...ay_player.html

Can anyone vouch for the validity of this claim?

PS: I would be buying the panasonic 215, which I'm assuming has identical picture quality compared to the 210?


I have a sony bx18 right now, and the picture quality is superb.
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The following review claims that the panasonic 210 has a slightly, but noticeably better picture compared to the ps3:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/24433...ay_player.html

Can anyone vouch for the validity of this claim?

PS: I would be buying the panasonic 215, which I'm assuming has identical picture quality compared to the 210?


I have a sony bx18 right now, and the picture quality is superb.

Yes. I have both, and the panny picture is better. Sony upconversion is subpar across all models I've seen, including the PS3 and your BX18. Blu-ray picture is about the same.
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I never thought I would do it, but it's time......

......to add a 2nd BluRay player to my apartment.

My first, An Oppo BDP-83, works incredibly, and will continue to be the mainstay of my "theatre" set up. My bedroom setup is gaining a bluray player now. The main features I'd like are quick load time, but more importantly, a pleasant Netflix interface. Also needs to be Wifi. Previous to posting this I was conidering the Panasonic 210, and at $126 shipped, seems like a nice deal.

I wouldn't mind paying less for a wifi, netflix, blu ray payer that doesn't offer 3D anything, I don't need it. For system info, it will be plugged in to a Pioneer 1021, then to a Hitachi 42HDX99. It will only be playing 2 channel audio. Most important aspect is a pleasant Netflix interface, and wifi (ran out of ports on the switch in my AV closet).
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Thanks, what is the flaw in sony upconversion?

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Yes. I have both, and the panny picture is better. Sony upconversion is subpar across all models I've seen, including the PS3 and your BX18. Blu-ray picture is about the same.

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my opinion if you want t upconvert dvd best to leave to 720p or 1080i, doesn't matter what player you use up-conversion will always look shithouse unless you actually convert dvd stockpile to play 24fps I doubt you will see better image quality over hdmi..

if you want to watch dvd on a lcd, lcd led or plasma the best resolution will likely be component or s-video, hdmi is a pointless exercise for dvd playback..

doesn't matter what br player you have all will be the same in this regard to upconversion nothing can fix that problem...

if the dvd disc you supports regions 1,2,4 it is possible the you're getting better image is because you playing in pal format oppose to ntsc format..
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Some of my dvd's look pretty good. Namely, those filmed in HD, such as a few concerts and especially some of my UFC DVD's.

However, I've noticed that regular films tend to have this strange lag or judder with any movement at all on the screen. It's very distracting.

I have a sony bx18 blu ray: I suppose I could hook up the composite connections and play the DVD's again to see if this corrects the problem. My understanding is that composite can only play back at 480 now?
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the judder you see on dvd is the telecined 1.5 image at 30fps trying to play at 24fps standard for film..

basically unless you demux the ntsc encoding and knock out the 30fps and 1.5 image per frame there isn't alot you can do

if you still got a dvd player floating around best connect it up as hdmi isn't the best viewing method for dvd playback.

coming from the owning some 1500 ntsc encoded and 3500 pal encoded dvd's 15 region a bd's and 12 region b bd's..

so I know don't matter whether I stick a dvd through a sony bdp370 or toshiba bdx1200ky same issues apply with ntsc encoded disc's...

so if you got a classic tv series you willl either need to re-encode it it or wait until the studios do a bd release... otherwise put up with the telecined effect you see..
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Very interesting. Would a 120 hz display address the telecine juddering problem at all?

edit: I played some video based material, and camera movement as well as movement of any subjects, seems much smoother.

edit: also, what if I use the component connections on my blu ray player for dvd playback. Will this help?
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Hi
I'm having a very hard time finding a BD player with subtitle shift for my 2,35:1 screen that is as good as my Denon 2500BT
I've had Oppo 83, Oppo 93 and Cambridge Audio 650 in my home theater, using the same HDMI cable
Oppos: HD movie sound is nowhere near as open and airy as the Denon, obvious judder with pans
Cambridge: Sound is good, picture has no fine detail
Now what do I do?
Maybe the Cambridge Audio 751, but I don't want to keep spending money on this
It's just that I want to fill the entire screen, but I need the subtitles here in Denmark
Thanks
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Thanks, what is the flaw in sony upconversion?

Slightly softer image and more jaggies than other players.

Composite will look much worse. Component might look better assuming your receiver can upconvert from those inputs and does a better job than sony. But your player doesn't have component outputs, so that's not an option.

Keep in mind these upconversion differences are very small, and there's only so much you can do to improve a 480 image. It sounds like you expect a dramatic improvement from a new player. That simply isn't going to happen, even if you get an Oppo. It will look a little better, but not night and day. So save the money you would have spent on a player and buy/rent more blu-ray discs instead.
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Which is the better choice- Samsung BDD 5300 or LG BD630?
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I know the performance differences of these but what I'm looking for is a problem free player. I've read praising reviews of the Sony and bad reviews of the LG, for having all kinds of problems.

These have been at stores and months ago, so I don't know if I can trust them.

What's everyone's opinion.

I like the Sony for SACD but like the LG for it's proprietary functions with my LG TV along with CD recording to a flash drive.

However I want the most reliable. I have a Panasonic 85 right now and it's a pain in the butt. Its super slow, and the smart features get buggy. I would love a 3D player with 7.1 analog outputs but they are so expensive, it would be better to just buy a new receiver. BUT I do love my Denon AVR-3803's amp section.

Thanks
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Hmm, DVD films generally look very good; my main objection is the judder noticeable on films, but it's there with blu ray movies as well.

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Slightly softer image and more jaggies than other players.

Composite will look much worse. Component might look better assuming your receiver can upconvert from those inputs and does a better job than sony. But your player doesn't have component outputs, so that's not an option.

Keep in mind these upconversion differences are very small, and there's only so much you can do to improve a 480 image. It sounds like you expect a dramatic improvement from a new player. That simply isn't going to happen, even if you get an Oppo. It will look a little better, but not night and day. So save the money you would have spent on a player and buy/rent more blu-ray discs instead.

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DVD looks fine on sony, it just looks a bit better on other players. If you're having problems with judder, then you either have your player/tv configured wrong, or your tv isn't 24p or you have unrealistic expectations of 24p. Such a low frame rate is naturally going to have judder, just like it does in the theater. If you want to artificially smooth it out, your tv can probably do that if configured properly.
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...i.e., frame interpolation. My TV doesn't have that; I may upgrade, although I love my 60 hz tv.
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A 60Hz TV is exactly why you're seeing judder. So a new player won't fix that, but a new TV will.
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read my previous statement on judder and jaggies what you see is part and parcel of ntsc transfer...

ti doesn't matter whether it is a straight through connection or connected through an avr or processor you will see the same issue..

the judder you see is the 1.5 image associated with a 30fps, there is no cure for it other than actually putting the dvd through a re-author prior to you playing it... as you need to remove the telecined image so you can watch things at a native 24fps, or 48fps watching 70mm+ presentations..

changing your tv will not fix the judder and jaggies issues you currently have in playing content at 24fps..
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I'm somewhat of a newbie in home theater and looking for advice on a good player. My system will consist of Pioneer Elite Sc-35 receiver and Def Tech Procinema 800 speakers. I realise there are many facters such as price. I'm willing to spend around 500$. So if anyone has some sound advice in to which player i should get, it would be more than welcome. Thanks.
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My TV will be a 70'' Sharp Quatron
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In need of some help deciding between the Panasonic DMP-BDT310, Pioneer BDP-52/53 or Oppo BDP-93?

I currently own the Panasonic BDT310 and recently purchased the Pioneer VSX-1121 receiver. Found out that this receiver does not have 7.1 analog output in order for me to play SACD & DVD-Audio with my Pioneer DV-47A DVD player.

I want to know if I should just keep the Panasonic and just listen to my SACD & DVD-A in Dolby Digital or sell it and get either one of the Pioneer's or Oppo?

Judging from reviews I've read Pioneer BDP-52 had some earlier problems, but I think that they have been corrected. Not sure if it will better to go with the BDP-53 instead.
The main reason I consider the Pioneers is that they have PQLS.

I do watch both 2D & 3D blu-rays, so that is important.
I have PS3, so Netflix won't be a problem...can also watch it via Panasonic GT30 VieraCast too.

Pioneer BDP-52 will cost $400.
Both Pioneer BDP-53 & Oppo BDP-93 will be $500.
Plan to sell my Panasonic for $150. The Pioneer DV-47A for $100.

Budget is tight, but enough to stretch for either one...selling both will help.

Really need some good advice on what I should do.

Thanks!
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I've got about 3 dozen blu ray disks now, and pretty much the only scene where judder was a serious problem was in the diner scene of star wars ep. 2. For a few seconds, the judder is terrible.

Overall, the judder is much less pronounced watching blu rays than it is in films I see in theaters. Then again, the enormous screen size may have something to do with it.

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DVD looks fine on sony, it just looks a bit better on other players. If you're having problems with judder, then you either have your player/tv configured wrong, or your tv isn't 24p or you have unrealistic expectations of 24p. Such a low frame rate is naturally going to have judder, just like it does in the theater. If you want to artificially smooth it out, your tv can probably do that if configured properly.

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I'm somewhat of a newbie in home theater and looking for advice on a good player. My system will consist of Pioneer Elite Sc-35 receiver and Def Tech Procinema 800 speakers. I realise there are many facters such as price. I'm willing to spend around 500$. So if anyone has some sound advice in to which player i should get, it would be more than welcome. Thanks.

At that price range, the Oppo 93 is an excellent player. But if you don't need/want SACD/DVD-A or analog audio output, you can get equal performance for BluRay and SD DVD discs with less expensive players such as the Panny 110 (wired internet) or 210 (WiFi).
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