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As far as the DVD-2930 vs. the BDP-83 on audio disk play, I haven't done a comparison - you'd have to search comparisons or hopefully someone chimes in who has done it.
The 3910 has better sound/DACs then the 2930.
I can't find much when it comes to Oppo vs the old Denons.

But thanks for your opinion.
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The 3910 has better sound/DACs then the 2930.
I can't find much when it comes to Oppo vs the old Denons.

But thanks for your opinion.
Here's an old comparison of the BDP-83SE (and some mention of the stock 83) and the 3910.

The SE model was the 83 with ESS 32 SABRE DACs, so if you can find that, it may fit what you want more.
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State your price range, and confirm that you understand these will be used players.

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I don't mind if it was used 3d bluray player without cinavia.

I can give until 100 euros.

So what do you suggest me?

And if i do a firmware update to any old 3d bluray player is there any chance to added cinavia protection?
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And if i do a firmware update to any old 3d bluray player is there any chance to added cinavia protection?
I've already told you yes, there is a chance. It depends on the player model.

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And another question is if i buy a used 3d bluray player for country it was other region that mine(region2) it can play the bluray movies of my country or not?

And what 3d bluray players do you suggest without cinavia protection?

A LOT OF THANKS FOR ALL.
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And another question is if i buy a used 3d bluray player for country it was other region that mine(region2) it can play the bluray movies of my country or not?

And what 3d bluray players do you suggest without cinavia protection?

A LOT OF THANKS FOR ALL.
Unless you buy a multi-region player (very expensive), a player from another region will not play your region.

As for cinavia, see this list. I don't know which, if any, are 3D.

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/i...5205214AAH5hGZ

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Bd 3d

Ok, i'm in the market for a used (can't afford a new) universal 3D BD player...what brand is the next best thing to an Oppo?? As an aside; people are asking as much for or more, mostly for their used OPPO BDP-93s or 95s than what the current BDP-103 is going for on their website. Looking at either Pioneer, Denon, Onkyo or Marantz.....
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What to buy older marantz or bd752 help!!!

Need some fast advice I have sold my oppo 95 and fancied a change.I used to own a denon bd3800 which I loved and have the chance to buy its brother the marantz bd8200 for £120 but also am considering buying a cambridge audio bd 752 for £450 with an extended warranty any advice and opinions would be greatly appreciated thanks???
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If i find and buy any old 3d bluray player WITH NO CINAVIA PROTECTION if i install the latest official firmware is there ant chance to added the cinavia protection at the 3d bluray player?
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Hi,

I just got a HU9000 and was in the market for a new Blu ray player with 4K upscaling and 3D. My max budget is $550. I was looking at the Oppo BDP-103 and Sony S790. Which player will produce better PQ? Or is there another player worth looking in to?

Thank you
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I just got a HU9000 and was in the market for a new Blu ray player with 4K upscaling and 3D. My max budget is $550. I was looking at the Oppo BDP-103 and Sony S790. Which player will produce better PQ? Or is there another player worth looking in to?

Thank you
Having a BD player for scaling to UHD is redundant. Your 9000 will scale everything to its native resolution. If you are looking at a player with dual HDMI, you can also consider the Panasonic BDT460. I prefer Panasonic scaling over Sony.


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Who makes 3D BD Players with dual HDMI outputs. My receiver will not pass 3d so I need one output to projector and one to receiver. I know the new oppo Darbees do but I would like a lower cost one. Thanks
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Who makes 3D BD Players with dual HDMI outputs. My receiver will not pass 3d so I need one output to projector and one to receiver. I know the new oppo Darbees do but I would like a lower cost one. Thanks
Sony BDP-S790
Panasonic DMP-BDT460
Oppo BDP-103
Oppo BDP-103D
Oppo BDP-105
Oppo BDP-105D
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Thanks Hockey0AJB ' Pretty much all high end players. Well I guess I have to just get the Oppo darbe.
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I'm building out a little home theater in my basement. I've already got a pretty nice TV/two channel stereo system in my living room, with an Oppo BDP-95, Ayre preamplifier and amplifier and Vandersteen Quatros, so this isn't going to rival that. Instead, I've got an Outlaw Audio 975 pre/pro down there so I don't need the sound processing abilities of the Oppo and in any event, I also have a Roku hooked into that system. I suppose I could go to an Oppo BDP-105 instead of the 975, but I don't want to go that route.

So sound and streaming doesn't matter only picture quality and ease of use (quick loading!).

We own an XBox 360 and I'm somewhat open to a PS3/PS4 or XBox One as a player. In a way, I'm less open to the XBox One since I'm annoyed by the lack of backwards compatibility (not that PS4 is better… a PS3 might almost be the unit I'd be most interested in of the gaming consoles).

Looking forward to your thoughts.

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Need a new BDP, current one very annoying

I currently have a Sony BDP-BX2 bought from Cosco many years ago.
This player has a couple of really annoying issues. Firstly, it takes forever to begin playing the disc. Secondly, it skips all the frigging time.
I'll be watching a movie, and it'll freeze, sometimes picking back up several minutes later in the movie.
This was a fairly cheap BDP when I bought it in ~2008, like $200.

I am thinking about replacing it but do I pony up and get a Oppo 103, or just go with a cheaper consumer model?
What does the Oppo have over say a Samsung - Smart 3D Wi-Fi Built-In Blu-ray Player?
I don't need 3D, and I don't need WiFi, I don't need any kind of network player capabilities.
I just want it to play movies well.

What say you?
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I currently have a Sony BDP-BX2 bought from Cosco many years ago.
This player has a couple of really annoying issues. Firstly, it takes forever to begin playing the disc. Secondly, it skips all the frigging time.
I'll be watching a movie, and it'll freeze, sometimes picking back up several minutes later in the movie.
This was a fairly cheap BDP when I bought it in ~2008, like $200.

I am thinking about replacing it but do I pony up and get a Oppo 103, or just go with a cheaper consumer model?
What does the Oppo have over say a Samsung - Smart 3D Wi-Fi Built-In Blu-ray Player?
I don't need 3D, and I don't need WiFi, I don't need any kind of network player capabilities.
I just want it to play movies well.

What say you?
If you just need a reliable player for DVD and BD, I would go with a current Panasonic or Sony. Both are reliable at playing discs. I have both brands. Samsung would not be a reliable choice for playing discs.


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Ok, how about this… what is the fastest loading Blu Ray player on the market with top notch picture quality? Oppo seems slow with that.
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I ended up going with a Sony BDP-S5200 for $109.
Haven't watched a Blu Ray yet but will in the next couple of days.
Pretty fast loading regular DVD's.
I think I'll end up going with an OPPO in the future when I end up replacing my Roku, etc.
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Ok, how about this… what is the fastest loading Blu Ray player on the market with top notch picture quality? Oppo seems slow with that.
Not sure where you got that information.

From Consumers Reports testing:

Oppo 103 load time (bluray) - 14-21 seconds Median is 17.5 sec
Panasonic 320 (bluray) - 12 - 28 seconds. Median is 20
Panasonic 330 (bluray) - 10-24 seconds. Median is 17
Panasonic 500 (bluray) - 13-28 seconds. Median is 20.5
Sony 1100 (bluray) - 13-23 seconds. Median is 18
Sony 5100 (bluray) - 14-25 seconds. Median is 19.5
Sony 790 (bluray) - 21-32 seconds. Median is 26.5

If you compare the 103 to low end Panasonic models, the bottom of the range is from 1-3 seconds faster than the Oppo, while the high end the Oppo is from 3-7 seconds faster.

If you compare the 103 to the low end, more current Sonys, the bottom of the range has the Sonys 1 second faster or equal to the Oppo, while being about the same in the top of the range.

If you compare the Oppo to players that come closer to the 103 in functions provided (analog outs, dual HDMI outs, etc.), the Sony 790 and the Panasonic 500, the speed is equivalent to the Panasonic 500 and much faster (by about seven seconds) than the Sony 790. This is more a comparison of Apples to Apples, while allowing that the 103 delivers much more features than the others.

In the end, you have to gauge what's acceptable to you. If at the beginning of a movie, you decide that a possible 1/2 second difference in startup is a must have, then you buy the player that gives you that.

The Oppo in my opinion, despite being a model that now is two years old, is still very competitive in how fast it loads and plays a disk. In the median performance, over time it is faster than all but the 330, and that by 0.5 seconds.

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Not sure where you got that information.
Real life. I have had Oppos in my house for years. Currently I use the BDP-95 in my main system.

I don't trust Consumer Reports for much, but that's dismaying info, assuming its correct.

I don't need a second Oppo for its audio outputs and it's interesting that the lower quality units take less time to load disks.
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Real life. I have had Oppos in my house for years. Currently I use the BDP-95 in my main system.

I don't trust Consumer Reports for much, but that's dismaying info, assuming its correct.

I don't need a second Oppo for its audio outputs and it's interesting that the lower quality units take less time to load disks.
Ah... I've got two Oppos (103D and 83) at home and haven't had an issue with loading. The 83 is obviously slower, but within my expectations.

To me they load quickly. Consumer reports has been pretty accurate for me, they seem to at least put effort into testing, so I trust them for a general test, and I use them for cars, etc.

I figure (and just my opinion) that they have less stars in their eyes for this kind of test than AV publications.

As to other features, that doesn't come into play when looking at loading times, but I still don't see where other units load faster.
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I hit "pause," then player shuts down after 20 minutes

This probably has already been discussed, but I had the following issue with a brand new Sony Blu-Ray player: When I paused the movie, after about twenty minutes, the player shut down. So we had to re-start the player and watch the FBI warning, all the previews (fast-forwarding of course), and then find our place in the movie (no scene selection here, but we could use the "next" button). We were so annoyed that we returned the Blu-Ray player to the store (Wal Mart).

My question is: Do any of you have a Blu-Ray player which does NOT do this? I.e., if you pause the movie, after twenty minutes, the player shuts down. From my perusing of The Web, this seems to be a common issue. We'd be willing to pay more and get a better Blu-Ray player.
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This probably has already been discussed, but I had the following issue with a brand new Sony Blu-Ray player: When I paused the movie, after about twenty minutes, the player shut down. So we had to re-start the player and watch the FBI warning, all the previews (fast-forwarding of course), and then find our place in the movie (no scene selection here, but we could use the "next" button). We were so annoyed that we returned the Blu-Ray player to the store (Wal Mart).

My question is: Do any of you have a Blu-Ray player which does NOT do this? I.e., if you pause the movie, after twenty minutes, the player shuts down. From my perusing of The Web, this seems to be a common issue. We'd be willing to pay more and get a better Blu-Ray player.
Welcome to AVSForum.

I haven't heard of that behavior. Are you sure there isn't a sleep setting you can adjust? You might find the owner's thread for that model and ask there.

If you want a new player, what is your price range, and do you need any special features? As in network applications, media file support, audiophile considerations, etc?

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Bill,
Thanks for your reply. It was just an inexpensive player we got at Wal Mart for about 80 USD. I looked through all the settings and didn't see anything about being able to adjust this feature -- the thing where you pause the player and it shuts itself off after 20 minutes.


I don't need a player with any special features, although wi-fi is nice. I guess I'd be willing to spend about 200 USD on something better than the one we got at Wal Mart, and returned to Wal Mart.


I poked around on The Web and it seems that this "feature" -- shutting down after being paused for 20 minutes -- seems to be prevalent in a lot of Blu-Ray players. But I figure if I spend a little more and get a better player, it should have better software and allow the user to adjust the shut-down-after-pause feature.


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Bill,
Thanks for your reply. It was just an inexpensive player we got at Wal Mart for about 80 USD. I looked through all the settings and didn't see anything about being able to adjust this feature -- the thing where you pause the player and it shuts itself off after 20 minutes.


I don't need a player with any special features, although wi-fi is nice. I guess I'd be willing to spend about 200 USD on something better than the one we got at Wal Mart, and returned to Wal Mart.


I poked around on The Web and it seems that this "feature" -- shutting down after being paused for 20 minutes -- seems to be prevalent in a lot of Blu-Ray players. But I figure if I spend a little more and get a better player, it should have better software and allow the user to adjust the shut-down-after-pause feature.


-Scott
One thing to understand, is that most players have the capability to resume discs after stopping and powering down. However, many Blu-ray discs run Java applications which prevent players from automatically resuming. Most Java discs have a bookmark function that can be used to remember a location, so if you are expecting to pause a movie for awhile, that may be a workaround.

It's possible that the sleep behavior may vary depending on how the disc is authored as well, so it might be a challenge to get accurate information about this unless somebody here has run tests around this use case.
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I hope someone will have the patience for what is likely to be a very redundant question. After 6 years or so of using a Samsung BR player, the tray is sticking and it's lacking in features my new Sony 55X900A is offering. I'm looking for a player with the following:

- 3-D Capable

- Dual HDMI Outputs (I hope to eventually get a projector and feed one line to that.)

- Ethernet (don't care about wireless)

- Netflix app that supports Super HD.

- Upscaling, though that's not a deal-breaker.

Anything out there that can do all this? Is dual HDMI going to be what jacks up the price? Thanks for any info.
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Panasonic's DMP-BDT330 has dual outputs and seems to be available for about $100-$130 (it's an older model, on clearance). Its replacement, this year's BDT360, does not have dual outputs. The BDT460 does, but is ~$50 more expensive. Other players with dual outputs typically are close to $200 (Sony) or $500 (Oppo). However, I believe the BDT330's Netflix support does not include SuperHD mode. Perhaps someone else can comment on that feature in the 330 and 460.

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I hope someone will have the patience for what is likely to be a very redundant question. After 6 years or so of using a Samsung BR player, the tray is sticking and it's lacking in features my new Sony 55X900A is offering. I'm looking for a player with the following:

- 3-D Capable

- Dual HDMI Outputs (I hope to eventually get a projector and feed one line to that.)

- Ethernet (don't care about wireless)

- Netflix app that supports Super HD.

- Upscaling, though that's not a deal-breaker.

Anything out there that can do all this? Is dual HDMI going to be what jacks up the price? Thanks for any info.
If you need dual HDMI outputs on the blu-ray player itself then your options are...

Sony BDP-S790 ($179)
Panasonic DMP-BDT460 ($179)
Oppo BDP-103 ($499)
Oppo BDP-103D ($599)
Oppo BDP-105 ($1,199)
Oppo BDP-105D ($1,299)

All 6 of these players have all of the features you mentioned plus some. If the $179 price tag is too high, you could save yourself ~$75 and get a player with only a single HDMI output and connect it to an AVR w/ dual HDMI outputs, which can then feed your TV and projector. The real benefit of having 2 HDMI outputs on a blu-ray player isn't for connecting to two displays, it's for connecting to a display that supports 3D and an older AVR that can't pass 3D, but can otherwise do everything you want.
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