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I'd settle for a sub-$250 player with some decent zoom features and accurate color output... if such an animal existeth.

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I'd settle for a sub-$250 player with some decent zoom features and accurate color output... if such an animal existeth.
It should, but apparently for that you need an Oppo ($499-599).
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I need something more like a "cheapo". But tks for the suggestion, hernanu.

I'm sure there's something else out there close to what I'm lookin for price/feature-wise. Just need to keep diggin.

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Can anyone please inform me of a cheap player with a functional web browser, with the capability to play Microsoft Silverlight content?
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Can anyone please inform me of a cheap player with a functional web browser, with the capability to play Microsoft Silverlight content?
Doesn't exist.

What silverlight content exactly? Wouldn't it be better to find a player with the appropriate app?

On thing you can do on most players is use plugins on the DLNA server side to stream almost anything from any site. Check out Serviio.

Linux or PC based streamers also work well.
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Thanks.

I will study the DLNA server as a solution, having a Win 8 laptop streaming to my Mede8er (all connected by a Gigabit network).
I've checked http://serviio.org and it seems i would be able to do what i want :
- "Serviio enables playback of online sources like RSS feeds, live streams or web site content so that you can listen to your favourite podcasts or watch latest TV programmes published online."

Thanks for the advice!

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Which players good at 2ch down mixing ?

I only use 2ch audio - stereo - and connect the player's digital output to the receiver's dac. So I have to rely on the player's downmix for good audio quality when watching video. Are some blu ray players better at this than others ? Is there such a thing ? or they are all pretty much same ? If there is difference to be found between players in this regard then I am hoping to get some feedback on which players do it best.


Keep in mind I am not asking about analog audio performance. For that I have a pretty good dac, but this is about prior to the dac where the down mixing happens.


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I only use 2ch audio - stereo - and connect the player's digital output to the receiver's dac. So I have to rely on the player's downmix for good audio quality when watching video. Are some blu ray players better at this than others ? Is there such a thing ? or they are all pretty much same ? If there is difference to be found between players in this regard then I am hoping to get some feedback on which players do it best.

Keep in mind I am not asking about analog audio performance. For that I have a pretty good dac, but this is about prior to the dac where the down mixing happens.

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Good question. I haven't really compared players with this aspect in mind. However, there are two different downmixing approaches that you should be aware of:
- Lt/Rt (Left total / right total)
- Lo/Ro (Left only / right only)

Lt/Rt is optimized for prologic surround decoders to extract surround information out of the 2 channel mix for multi-channel playback. Lo/Ro is designed for pure 2-channel stereo playback (in theory, what you would want with your system).

My Sony players (BDP-S590) have a "downmix" setting that determines which summing method is used. If I were in your shoes, I would want to make sure any players I was interested in provided this type of setting. Beyond that, I would expect the summing to be the same across devices since this is handled via the decoders that the player manufacturers license.

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I only use 2ch audio - stereo - and connect the player's digital output to the receiver's dac. So I have to rely on the player's downmix for good audio quality when watching video. Are some blu ray players better at this than others ? Is there such a thing ? or they are all pretty much same ? If there is difference to be found between players in this regard then I am hoping to get some feedback on which players do it best.


Keep in mind I am not asking about analog audio performance. For that I have a pretty good dac, but this is about prior to the dac where the down mixing happens.


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If you are using digital output, there really isn't a difference between players. The difference will come when you are using analog output. Different players will have different DACS. With my Denon, I use HDMI for for movie watching and the dedicated 2 channel analog outs for music.

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This is probably a foolish n00b question, but is there another way to connect an HD device like a Blu Ray player to an HDTV besides an HDMI cable? Apart from analog, which Blu players sadly no longer have?
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Don't some of the more expensive players still include analog outputs?

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Don't some of the more expensive players still include analog outputs?
For audio yes, but not for video. Component video has been forbidden on Blu-ray for a couple of years now.

hanshotfirst1138: you are asking for video without hdmi?

A TV with network capability would be able to access a file source on a local server, but I don't know of a Blu-ray player that can act as a server. That would be a HTPC or media server device as discussed here: http://www.avsforum.com/f/39/network...tent-streamers

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Beyond that, I would expect the summing to be the same across devices since this is handled via the decoders that the player manufacturers license.
Correct, and I was thinking that perhaps quality would vary between decoders of different manufacturers ? like how video processing in different decoders differ in quality of interlacing and chroma upsampling. Some do it better than others ?
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Correct, and I was thinking that perhaps quality would vary between decoders of different manufacturers ? like how video processing in different decoders differ in quality of interlacing and chroma upsampling. Some do it better than others ?
We have this thread: All 1080p is not created equal - a Blu-ray Player Benchmark

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Am I supposed to find an exhaustive list of bd players showing a score of all the tests ? because I could not. All I found was the example comparison between the Sony and Oppo. Please let me know if I not looking in the right place.
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Am I supposed to find an exhaustive list of bd players showing a score of all the tests ? because I could not. All I found was the example comparison between the Sony and Oppo. Please let me know if I not looking in the right place.
No, I don't know of such a list. During the DVD era there were nice online databases of test results for many players, but this doesn't seem to happen for Blu-ray.

Much of DVD testing was for the various artifacts caused by poor deinterlacing. It's less important for Blu-ray where most content does not require it.

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Am I supposed to find an exhaustive list of bd players showing a score of all the tests ? because I could not. All I found was the example comparison between the Sony and Oppo. Please let me know if I not looking in the right place.
Try the "Secrets of Home Theater and High Fidelity" website. I believe they do the most in-depth reviews of BD players.

They don't generally review the very low-end units, but you can probably make some general assumptions about the performance of some lower-end players from the next step up in the line. The video hardware is often the same on low and mid-range players in the same line. What mainly changes are features like wifi, 3D, etc.

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Other than the Oppos, is there a player that can access SMB/CIFS and/or NFS shares (as opposed to DLNA) and plays FLAC?
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I only use 2ch audio - stereo - and connect the player's digital output to the receiver's dac. So I have to rely on the player's downmix for good audio quality when watching video. Are some blu ray players better at this than others ? Is there such a thing ? or they are all pretty much same ? If there is difference to be found between players in this regard then I am hoping to get some feedback on which players do it best.


Keep in mind I am not asking about analog audio performance. For that I have a pretty good dac, but this is about prior to the dac where the down mixing happens.
Since you're using digital rather than analog output, I don't know if this will apply to your situation, but I've noticed that some players have better built-in virtual surround processing on their analog outputs than others.

My Sony BDP-S390 does an ok/so-so job with Dolby multi-channel tracks, but it's virtual surround processing is unreliable with DTS multi-channel tracks. And I often have to switch the downmix setting from "Surround" to just "Stereo" to get adequate L/M/R sound staging from the RCA analog audio outputs with DTS movies.

Other players may have a more 3-dimensional virtual surround sound on Dolby tracks as well. I believe the Sony only simulates 3.0 channels (L-front, R-front & rear). Others may be able to simulate left and right side and rear channels. So if you get a Sony, you may be better off using a receiver for the downmixing.

The S390 has pretty nice sound quality on it's analog outs though to my ears, even though it's virtual surround processing is not the best.

Virtual surround is sort of a legacy feature btw, so it's probably not the sort of thing that "Secrets" would cover in much depth, if at all.

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Since you're using digital rather than analog output, I don't know if this will apply to your situation, but I've noticed that some players have better built-in virtual surround processing on their analog outputs than others.

My Sony BDP-S390 does an ok/so-so job with Dolby multi-channel tracks, but it's virtual surround processing is unreliable with DTS multi-channel tracks. And I often have to switch the downmix setting from "Surround" to just "Stereo" to get adequate L/M/R sound staging from the RCA analog audio outputs with DTS movies.

Other players may have a more 3-dimensional virtual surround sound on Dolby tracks as well. I believe the Sony only simulates 3.0 channels (L-front, R-front & rear). Others may be able to simulate left and right side and rear channels. So if you get a Sony, you may be better off using a receiver for the downmixing.

The S390 has pretty nice sound quality on it's analog outs though to my ears, even though it's virtual surround processing is not the best.

Virtual surround is sort of a legacy feature btw, so it's probably not the sort of thing that "Secrets" would cover in much depth, if at all.
Anode was asking about downmixing multichannel content for output to the players digital output in 2 channel format for playback on a 2 channel sound system.

Your response seems to discuss outputting 2 channel audio out of the analog outputs of the player and playing back on an audio system which simulates surround by processing those two channels into multi channel surround. These are two very different use scenarios.

Ideally, you should use HDMI, optical or coaxial to send the discrete surround to your audio system instead of using the analog outs and processing with a matrix to output more channels. Under that use, it would be the AVR, not the player doing the virtual surround processing since the player only has left and right analog outs.
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Thanks for the reply, Vampidemic.

FYI, I'm not using any special hardware or "surround" headphones downstream of the player to help simulate the surround effects. I'm just using the Sony S390's own virtual surround processing with a pair of off-the-shelf headphones. I'm not sure if the player's v-surround downmix would be the same via the digital output as it is on the RCA analog outputs. If it is the same, then a receiver might do a better job of downmixing because the player's built-in 2-channel v-surround capabilities seem rather limited and not that reliable with DTS tracks... at least not when using the analog outputs.

If all you want is a standard stereo 2-channel downmix (without virtual surround effects), the Sonys are fine for that.

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