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Hows it going, looking for a blu-ray player that is quiet and fast, also I will be using a lot of burned discs and want a player that won't have an issue running them. It doesn't have to be near 300, it could be 150,200 etc. I was looking at the Sony BDP-S6200 but not sure how good it is. Thanks, appreciate it
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I have a Panasonic VT60 that I use an old Insignia NS-WBRDVD player. The VT60 can do 3D and in general I think it's time for an upgrade. One thing I have really appreciated about the Insignia player is its ability to play a variety of media files off of USB (mkv, avi, mp4, etc.). I also originally bough it for use with a dumb tv and used the netflix streaming ability. The VT60 has it's own built in apps so I don't need a player specifically for them. I would like to keep the media playback functionality.

I've done some quick searching on this forum to find a good bang for the buck player that will handle these requirements. I've somewhat settled on the Sony BDP-S6200 as a good option. My question for you more knowledgeable people is, is this one of the better or best options on the market? Or have I missed something? Any help would be appreciated.
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Lots of questions today.
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I'm trying to decide if i should go for the cheapest Blu-ray available, or if i should spend a little more.
The Sony s1200 has almost everything i need, and its PQ should be identical to its older brothers.
The Sony s4200 has one more feature i want, an web browser, but i dont know if its usable (my mede8er 600x already has an web browser, i'm wondering if the Sony is better).

I could also get an yamaha bds-473 for a little more. I like the yamaha due to its better build quality.
I can get (i'm form Europe) the Sony 1200 (90$), 4200 (120$), yamaha 473 (160$).

I'm trying to decide :
1 - If i go with the Sony, does the Web browser of the 4200 worth 30$ more?
2 - If the build quality of the yamaha is worth 70$ more.

As it's a BR player, build quality isnt very important so i'm tempted by the Sony's ...
The browser on sony players is worthless. So save your money.

Build quality worth is your call. My TV and laptop are plastic, so a plastic BD player doesn't bother me.

The 1200 does not have wifi or 3D, as far as I know, at least my 1100 doesn't.

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Hows it going, looking for a blu-ray player that is quiet and fast, also I will be using a lot of burned discs and want a player that won't have an issue running them. It doesn't have to be near 300, it could be 150,200 etc. I was looking at the Sony BDP-S6200 but not sure how good it is. Thanks, appreciate it
I've had the best luck playing burned discs with Panny, not Sony. Others may have different experiences.

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I have a Panasonic VT60 that I use an old Insignia NS-WBRDVD player. The VT60 can do 3D and in general I think it's time for an upgrade. One thing I have really appreciated about the Insignia player is its ability to play a variety of media files off of USB (mkv, avi, mp4, etc.). I also originally bough it for use with a dumb tv and used the netflix streaming ability. The VT60 has it's own built in apps so I don't need a player specifically for them. I would like to keep the media playback functionality.

I've done some quick searching on this forum to find a good bang for the buck player that will handle these requirements. I've somewhat settled on the Sony BDP-S6200 as a good option. My question for you more knowledgeable people is, is this one of the better or best options on the market? Or have I missed something? Any help would be appreciated.
If you are in the US, Sony won't play avi (Divx anyway), but you can spoof the file headers and make them look like Xvid. It's much easier to use DLNA than USB, in my opinion. The 6200 seems like vast overkill for your requirements (you need 4k upscaling and rare audio formats?). Cheap players give you the most bang for the buck. Expensive ones give you slightly more bang for a lot more buck.
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Mdavej what about Samsung? Also what Panasonic do you recommend? Thanks.
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If you are in the US, Sony won't play avi (Divx anyway), but you can spoof the file headers and make them look like Xvid. It's much easier to use DLNA than USB, in my opinion. The 6200 seems like vast overkill for your requirements (you need 4k upscaling and rare audio formats?). Cheap players give you the most bang for the buck. Expensive ones give you slightly more bang for a lot more buck.
I understand where you're coming from. In your opinion, what is a better option that has support for mkv, avi, mp4, etc., DLNA, and 3D blu-ray support? I thought 4k might be useful because I will probably keep the player for a long time and 4k adoption may pick up in the next few years. Appreciate your help.
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I'm trying to decide :
1 - If i go with the Sony, does the Web browser of the 4200 worth 30$ more?
2 - If the build quality of the yamaha is worth 70$ more.
1. No, unless you need wifi that 4200 offers.
2. No, quality of internal component is more important than how robust or heavy the unit is.
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Blu-Ray Player's MP4 Playback Capability using USB Connection

I would like to purchase a Blu-Ray player and will mostly use it to playback movies that I Handbraked to MP4 format. Does anyone have feedback on Blu-Ray or DVD players which do the best job with MP4s? Menu structure for searching via remote is important as well. Thanks.
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Question Best bluray player next to Oppo for DVD upscaling?

I went dumpster diving on Google, and after all the sifting it appears the LG BP540 is likely the next best thing to an Oppo for playing DVDs without artifacts. My only concern is that there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of objective confirmation of that; just a bunch of mixed anecdotal comments on amazon, etc..


Wish I could afford an Oppo, but right now I hit my fiscal reality cap in the $100-$150 range.

Any help is appreciated.
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I went dumpster diving on Google, and after all the sifting it appears the LG BP540 is likely the next best thing to an Oppo for playing DVDs without artifacts. My only concern is that there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of objective confirmation of that; just a bunch of mixed anecdotal comments on amazon, etc..

Wish I could afford an Oppo, but right now I hit my fiscal reality cap in the $100-$150 range.

Any help is appreciated.
My last two LG players had persistent issues with buggy software updates and the drive mechanism in one player started failing just after a year of use. LG tends to have fairly broad file format support, but they don't have a reputation for quality so I would suggest staying away.

I'm not sure what you're after when you suggest you're having trouble finding objective information about DVD upscaling. Upscaling 'quality' is a subjective measurement. The player is multiplying pixels to increase the resolution of the image. This will either make the image pixelated or blurry, depending on how the resampling is handled (the player cannot magically add detail that was not captured and encoded on the disc so it will never compare to an HD image). However, you may want to look for a player that allows you to adjust sharpness and/or other image processing controls that allow you to optimize upscaling operations to suit your taste.
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I'm not sure what you're after when you suggest you're having trouble finding objective information about DVD upscaling. Upscaling 'quality' is a subjective measurement. The player is multiplying pixels to increase the resolution of the image. This will either make the image pixelated or blurry, depending on how the resampling is handled (the player cannot magically add detail that was not captured and encoded on the disc so it will never compare to an HD image). However, you may want to look for a player that allows you to adjust sharpness and/or other image processing controls that allow you to optimize upscaling operations to suit your taste.

I apologize for the confusion. I was having trouble finding corroborating evidence for the BP450's upscaling capabilities in particular. I certainly wasn't having trouble finding info on DVD upscaling in general. Quite the opposite, in fact.


For whatever reason, my eyes love to home in on upscaling artifacts. I can get so distracted by the artifacts that it starts ruining the movie experience. My goal is (was?) to find a bluray player in the $150-ish range with upscaling capabilities as close to the Oppo as I can get without having to get the Oppo. That may be a pipe dream, but since the BP450 seemed to have at least one informed recommendation I thought I'd follow up and ask the question here.

Out of curiosity, are there any particular manufacturers/models that allow discrete control of the upscaling parameters as you mentioned?
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Get an old Toshiba HD DVD player. It'll be super cheap and has the best upconversion I've seen outside of Oppo. Get any cheap player you like for BD.

But don't get your hopes up. Even the best can't work miracles. You'll still get artifacts no matter what.

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Hi. I need a recommendation. I have an Oppo 103 for my main HT set up and am looking for a BD for a second HT. Space in the component cabinet is tight so I would like something thinner than the Oppo. My most important considerations are:
--upconversion for DVD's
--streaming for Netflix and Pandora
--best audio section I can get.


I have been reading here about the Sony's, Panny's, LG, Pio. Seems like the best for the buck is the older Sony 790. The TV is a VT60 and Receiver is Marantz 7007.


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Vertical/upright/wall-mount blu-ray players?

Hello,
I am trying to locate a vertical/upright wall-mount blu-ray player to upgrade my inlaw's TV setup.

Last year my inlaws moved into a house they had built. They had me wall-mount a new 55" Samsung, high up in their living room about 6.5-7ft off the ground (lofted ceiling). They had enough sense to request an electrical outlet be installed where the TV was going, but failed to think of adding anything else. This is likely because they live in the country and only use HD antenna for TV service (it's actually not that bad), but they could have at least thought to have A/V plates installed for a future dvd player since they knew they wanted a sleek look.

Fast forward a year, they've been satisfied with their HDTV + antenna (), but now they watch our 14 month old son on a daily basis and he's starting to watch movies regularly - so now I need to find a solution. Tearing up the brand new walls to install A/V wall plates is out of the question and doesn't really have logical routing either due to location of TV in the lofted room (no attic above) vs nearest cabinet/closet to house the electronics. In the position they keep the TV, there is about 10" space behind it. I thought of just putting a compact player on a small shelf behind the tv, but this is a last resort - they would rather manually plug/unplug a player each time they use it, and have the wires hang 7ft below the tv

I looked online hoping there would be tons of current info out there, since it seems most households have upgraded to wall-mount TVs in the past 10yrs...but there just doesn't seem to be much support at all! Guessing this is because all the accessories are still horizontal?

I am aware of Playstations having this capability, but it's kinda out of my price range and not something too user-friendly to someone who doesn't even have a cell phone...and it would literally NEVER be used to play games. I did see 2-3 blu-ray players that have the vertical capability, but they also seem overpriced for this type of situation, and questionable reliability since there are so few reviews available. I am looking more for the under $100 player if it's possible.

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Samsung made one at one point in time but I don't think that model is available any more. There never seemed to be much demand for them. I doubt you will find what you want on the market. Maybe you can find a used one. The problem then is that there may not be firmware support for an older player and some new discs won't play.

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I need help finding a BD player.

I need:
Irule Control via IP (no IR)
3D
Low Cost $200ish?
I prefer Amazon unless I can get a deal elsewhere.

It will be in a theater room paired with

Denon X4000
Benq w1070

Currently using an early PS3 which has been fine but i want more seamless iRule Control via IP.
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Out of curiosity, are there any particular manufacturers/models that allow discrete control of the upscaling parameters as you mentioned?

Sony holds out most of their picture controls for their top models so the ones I own (BDP- S590) don't have this. I know the BDP-S790 and BDP-S6200 have advanced picture controls, but I haven't used them. The 6200 manual makes it sound like there are smoothing and noise reduction on and off settings which may do the trick.

My old LG players had a sharpness slider with variable settings, but again, I would not recommend those players, especially because they're several years old.
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I need help finding a BD player.

I need:
Irule Control via IP (no IR)
3D
Low Cost $200ish?
I prefer Amazon unless I can get a deal elsewhere.

It will be in a theater room paired with

Denon X4000
Benq w1070

Currently using an early PS3 which has been fine but i want more seamless iRule Control via IP.
IIRC, iRule IP control works on Sony (double check iRule site to confirm). Closest model to your price target is 6200, although 5200 also meets your requirements for much less money. My Sony plays very nicely with my Denon.
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Seems like the best for the buck is the older Sony 790.
The current Sony S6200 is supposed to be equivalent to Sony 790 picture-wise.
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It's a lot faster than the S790. Plus the X200 series supports NF 3D whereas the S790 does not. I'd go with the newer model over the 790 since you do not need to run dual HDMI for audio and video.

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I apologize for the confusion. I was having trouble finding corroborating evidence for the BP450's upscaling capabilities in particular.
If LG BP540 is anything like LG models from past two years, the DVD upscaling is decidedly mediocre and average at best. My opinion is from owning two LG players. LG's were worse than Sony's (excluding top model S790 and S6200/7200) which is saying a lot.
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Hello,
I am trying to locate a vertical/upright wall-mount blu-ray player to upgrade my inlaw's TV setup.
[...]
Any help is appreciated.
Thanks!
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You might try a standard player tipped on its side. You'd have to provide a (narrow) shelf for it, though.

My experience with tray DVD drives in desktop computers is that they usually work fine when on their sides, with the tray in a vertical instead of horizontal position. So long as the disc doesn't fall out before the tray closes, of course. Once the tray has gone in, the disc is clamped tightly in position before it spins up, so orientation doesn't matter at that point.

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Ok guys, before I pull the trigger buying the Oppo, I need a bit of advice.

I'm planning to buy either the Oppo-103 or Oppo-103Darbee edition. Before I pull the trigger, is it day & night difference between them ?

I have Sony 55es projector and Onkyo TX-NR1010 AVR, if that matters.

Also, since the oppo has dual hdmi output ,I'm thinking to configure like this, Option 1hdmi 1 output goes directly to projector and hdmi 2 output goes to AVR. Option 2 just hdmi 1 output to avr and Avr output to projector . Any advantage going with option 1 ?

Also, sorry if these questions asked before. I can't be bothered to go thru 555 pages.
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OK, I think I am in the right thread. I have only posted a few times, and I suspect I have done so in the wrong forums a couple of times. Anyway...

Yes, I think I am looking for help deciding which Blu-Ray player to buy, but before I ask that basic question, I think I need an education. I just don't know enough (really much of anything) about the capabilities of today's Blu-Ray players, and I can't seem to find the threads that would answer my questions. Can someone please point me towards discussions that answer the following questions?

1. Are most Blu-Ray players backwards compatible? By which I mean, can they play media files that are encoded in other formats besides the Blu-Ray standard? I have many files on my computer in various formats, essentially .avi and .mp4. Can a typical Blu-Ray player do this?

2. I understand that most players these days support WiFi to a LAN. Can a Blu-Ray player play back media resident on another device connected to the LAN? My WiFi is broadband, and pretty fast. Are there typically quality or bandwidth issues when playing back media in this way? What are the typical file type limitations? Does the media file need to be in a container, as if it were burned on a disk? Or can players read the supported file types as they are?

3. I also understand that most players support playback from a USB storage device. What are the limitations and/or requirements?

If anyone would like to reply directly to these questions, I would be grateful. I would be equally grateful, however, for links to discussions that address these issues. I am having trouble finding threads addressing my very basic questions.

Once I understand better the capabilities of today's Blu-Ray players, I can begin to figure out which player I should choose.

Thank you in advance!
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OK, I think I am in the right thread. I have only posted a few times, and I suspect I have done so in the wrong forums a couple of times. Anyway...

Yes, I think I am looking for help deciding which Blu-Ray player to buy, but before I ask that basic question, I think I need an education. I just don't know enough (really much of anything) about the capabilities of today's Blu-Ray players, and I can't seem to find the threads that would answer my questions. Can someone please point me towards discussions that answer the following questions?

1. Are most Blu-Ray players backwards compatible? By which I mean, can they play media files that are encoded in other formats besides the Blu-Ray standard? I have many files on my computer in various formats, essentially .avi and .mp4. Can a typical Blu-Ray player do this?
Not really. Each has limits. LG and Samsung probably support the most, Sony is in the middle, Panasonic the worst. US/Euro models also have different file capabilities due to different licensing, i.e., Divx is rarely supported in the US, but Xvid is.

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2. I understand that most players these days support WiFi to a LAN. Can a Blu-Ray player play back media resident on another device connected to the LAN? My WiFi is broadband, and pretty fast. Are there typically quality or bandwidth issues when playing back media in this way? What are the typical file type limitations? Does the media file need to be in a container, as if it were burned on a disk? Or can players read the supported file types as they are?
Wifi streaming usually works fine. DLNA is best since any necessary transcoding on the fly is handled by your server. Otherwise players can be very picky and need a container, not a disc structure, and not ISO, and not network shares.

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Depends on the player. Some support only a few file types and sizes. Others support many.

My advice: Get a disc player for discs and a streaming box like WDTV or a PC for files. You'll have the broadest file support that way, no compromises.

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Ok guys, before I pull the trigger buying the Oppo, I need a bit of advice.

I'm planning to buy either the Oppo-103 or Oppo-103Darbee edition. Before I pull the trigger, is it day & night difference between them ?

I have Sony 55es projector and Onkyo TX-NR1010 AVR, if that matters.

Also, since the oppo has dual hdmi output ,I'm thinking to configure like this, Option 1hdmi 1 output goes directly to projector and hdmi 2 output goes to AVR. Option 2 just hdmi 1 output to avr and Avr output to projector . Any advantage going with option 1 ?

Also, sorry if these questions asked before. I can't be bothered to go thru 555 pages.
Since your time is more valuable than mine, here's something to get you going

Nobody can tell you in a few sentences if Darbee is for you. Gotta do your homework and decide for yourself.

No advantage whatsoever to option 1 unless your AVR can't pass 3D.

This site and Google have great search capabilities. There's no need to read every word ever posted.
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Ok guys, before I pull the trigger buying the Oppo, I need a bit of advice.

I'm planning to buy either the Oppo-103 or Oppo-103Darbee edition. Before I pull the trigger, is it day & night difference between them ?

I have Sony 55es projector and Onkyo TX-NR1010 AVR, if that matters.

Also, since the oppo has dual hdmi output ,I'm thinking to configure like this, Option 1hdmi 1 output goes directly to projector and hdmi 2 output goes to AVR. Option 2 just hdmi 1 output to avr and Avr output to projector . Any advantage going with option 1 ?

Also, sorry if these questions asked before. I can't be bothered to go thru 555 pages.
That question has been addressed many times in the Oppo threads. The search function should find you a wide variety of answers. Some like it. Some don't.


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OK, I think I am in the right thread. I have only posted a few times, and I suspect I have done so in the wrong forums a couple of times. Anyway...

Yes, I think I am looking for help deciding which Blu-Ray player to buy, but before I ask that basic question, I think I need an education. I just don't know enough (really much of anything) about the capabilities of today's Blu-Ray players, and I can't seem to find the threads that would answer my questions. Can someone please point me towards discussions that answer the following questions?

1. Are most Blu-Ray players backwards compatible? By which I mean, can they play media files that are encoded in other formats besides the Blu-Ray standard? I have many files on my computer in various formats, essentially .avi and .mp4. Can a typical Blu-Ray player do this?

2. I understand that most players these days support WiFi to a LAN. Can a Blu-Ray player play back media resident on another device connected to the LAN? My WiFi is broadband, and pretty fast. Are there typically quality or bandwidth issues when playing back media in this way? What are the typical file type limitations? Does the media file need to be in a container, as if it were burned on a disk? Or can players read the supported file types as they are?

3. I also understand that most players support playback from a USB storage device. What are the limitations and/or requirements?

If anyone would like to reply directly to these questions, I would be grateful. I would be equally grateful, however, for links to discussions that address these issues. I am having trouble finding threads addressing my very basic questions.

Once I understand better the capabilities of today's Blu-Ray players, I can begin to figure out which player I should choose.

Thank you in advance!
Dave really couldn't have put it any better. I would add that Oppo is probably the best streamer of various file types. Like Dave also said, if you are a serious streamer, many of us use a dedicated device for each. Much better file support. There's a forum for that type of support.


http://www.avsforum.com/forum/39-net...ent-streaming/


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...My advice: Get a disc player for discs and a streaming box like WDTV or a PC for files. You'll have the broadest file support that way, no compromises.
Ah, OK! You're going to laugh, but I never knew that these devices even existed. Now that I have read up on this technology, I can see that I don't need a Blu-Ray player...or a DVD player...at all. I just need to be able to stream.

Now the question is, which device? When I read reviews, the lion's share of the descriptions deal with how many services the box can access and how well it does so. I don't currently need access to any service. That may change over time, but right now I just want to be able to stream the media that is already on my computer.

mdavej, you recommended the WD TV by Western Digital. Is that the best choice for playing back media stored on a file server? Cnet gives the Roku 3 the highest marks, but then says it is not the best choice for precisely what I want to do. So which is the best choice?

Opinions on the WD TV? Other recommendations?

Thanks again!
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Dave really couldn't have put it any better. I would add that Oppo is probably the best streamer of various file types. Like Dave also said, if you are a serious streamer, many of us use a dedicated device for each. Much better file support. There's a forum for that type of support.


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Thank you teachsac! I will read some threads in that forum. If you were in my shoes:

A. Don't need a Blu-Ray player, just a streaming box
B. Will use the device almost entirely to play media files that I have stored on my computer

Is there a device that you would recommend? I've just been to the Oppo site, and I see that they make and sell some very fine Blu-Ray players, but apparently no streaming devices. Since I have just learned that I don't need a player, it doesn't look like Oppo is the right call for me.

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Ok guys, before I pull the trigger buying the Oppo, I need a bit of advice.

I'm planning to buy either the Oppo-103 or Oppo-103Darbee edition. Before I pull the trigger, is it day & night difference between them ?
Night & Day: that's almost never the case when choosing between players. Darbee is a subtle effect when used properly.

Do you calibrate your display? That will make a bigger difference than swapping players.

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I have Sony 55es projector and Onkyo TX-NR1010 AVR, if that matters.
Projector owners are among the biggest fans of Darbee.

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Also, since the oppo has dual hdmi output ,I'm thinking to configure like this, Option 1hdmi 1 output goes directly to projector and hdmi 2 output goes to AVR. Option 2 just hdmi 1 output to avr and Avr output to projector . Any advantage going with option 1 ?
Option 1 is for people who want 3D but have an AVR that won't pass HDMI 1.4. Sending audio only to the receiver solves that.

Else: option 2.

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