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No on both optical & coaxial, but the flexibility is nice as my AV receiver only has two of each (I have four other sources, one of which is a PC that I rarely use, so I have to use analog audio).

Why wouldn't coaxial & optical have lossless audio?
Because S/PDIF doesn't support encryption. The studios don't want you to be able to use it to copy their precious bits.

Note that "lossless" in this case means Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD MA encodings. High bitrate lossless stereo LPCM *is* supported over S/PDIF.

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HELP!

Current Receiver: Denon 4520 with 11.2 speaker setup.
Current Player: PS3
Current Issue: Atmos Blu-rays registering as lossy audio on the PS3
Resolution: Help me find a new Blu-ray player.

Since I've had my PS3 I always had it set to bitstream and had the HD Audio light on the receiver. A month ago I popped in a multi-movie disc to watch Equilibrium and there was no audio menu whatsoever. When I looked at the PS3 info screen I noticed it said DTS and not DTS-HD MA. After looking online I came across the article below, which basically says if you have your PS3 set to bitstream it is only sending lossy audio to your receiver and switching to Linear PCM will give you the lossless sound. (That is when I realized all my audio had been lossy for the last year or so... )

http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/21/h...with-your-ps3/

Now I have an issue where Atmos Blu-rays are only registering as lossy audio on the PS3.


I do not know if the PS3 with Linear PCM is able to send 7.1 or NEO:X information the receiver (I have a Denon 4520), for some reason I seem to think the PS3 will only do 5.1, but I may be wrong on that. I have to research some more. If a PS4 will do everything a standalone player will do, maybe I should get that?



I just want to make sure the player I get can send 3D, Atmos, 7.1 Dolby TrueHD, NEO:X, DTS-HD MA 7.1, etc. I have a 11.2 capable receiver and a 11.2 speaker configuration. I want to make sure I am sending every bit of information from the disc to the speakers.

-I'd rather not pay $500+ for an Oppo unless I was getting something I really needed/wanted. (plus there seems to be a lot of disc compatibility issues with Oppo)
-I don't care about 4K up-scaling right now. When I buy a 4K projector, 4K players will be mainstream, I'm sure.
-I don't care about streaming or web services (Most have it, but I don't care about it).
-Open on price, but the Sony BDP-S5200 (I haven't opened yet) was only $75, if I spend much more I might look into if the PS4 will do everything.


I grabbed a Sony BDP-S5200, but I haven't opened it yet and though't I'd ask for suggestions.

What do you guys suggest getting?

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I grabbed a Sony BDP-S5200, but I haven't opened it yet and though't I'd ask for suggestions.

What do you guys suggest getting?
The 5200 will work fine for your specified requirements. Just be sure to both enable bitstreaming and disable secondary audio mix. Otherwise it'll decode to stereo LPCM, which cannot provide Atmos.

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hello all,

i'm looking for a player with wifi for netflix and also can play mkv file via usb port. Also a dts mkv file player. most units only play dd 5.1 no dts.

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I have the same router, different 46" Samsung, and several OPPO players. I play MKV files and the occasional MP4. I used wired ethernet because it's convenient to do so.

The -103/105 players support SMB shares as well as DLNA. I'm sure some less costly players do the same thing.

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I want very good DLNA support, my benchmark being the PS3.

For instance the support in my TV is quite bad, and Samsung almost never update their firmware... so for me good manufacturer support is key
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I want very good DLNA support, my benchmark being the PS3.

For instance the support in my TV is quite bad, and Samsung almost never update their firmware... so for me good manufacturer support is key
I don't know to compare DLNA quality across products. Some of this depends on the server.

The PS3 probably gets longer firmware support than any other player.

Are you in the US? (Later: I see you are not). OPPO has a 30-day return policy on their players if you want to try one. You have to pay the return shipping. You might check with a local dealer to see if they have something similar.

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HELP!

Current Receiver: Denon 4520 with 11.2 speaker setup.
Current Player: PS3
Current Issue: Atmos Blu-rays registering as lossy audio on the PS3
Resolution: Help me find a new Blu-ray player.

Since I've had my PS3 I always had it set to bitstream and had the HD Audio light on the receiver. A month ago I popped in a multi-movie disc to watch Equilibrium and there was no audio menu whatsoever. When I looked at the PS3 info screen I noticed it said DTS and not DTS-HD MA. After looking online I came across the article below, which basically says if you have your PS3 set to bitstream it is only sending lossy audio to your receiver and switching to Linear PCM will give you the lossless sound. (That is when I realized all my audio had been lossy for the last year or so... )

http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/21/h...with-your-ps3/

Now I have an issue where Atmos Blu-rays are only registering as lossy audio on the PS3.


I do not know if the PS3 with Linear PCM is able to send 7.1 or NEO:X information the receiver (I have a Denon 4520), for some reason I seem to think the PS3 will only do 5.1, but I may be wrong on that. I have to research some more. If a PS4 will do everything a standalone player will do, maybe I should get that?



I just want to make sure the player I get can send 3D, Atmos, 7.1 Dolby TrueHD, NEO:X, DTS-HD MA 7.1, etc. I have a 11.2 capable receiver and a 11.2 speaker configuration. I want to make sure I am sending every bit of information from the disc to the speakers.

-I'd rather not pay $500+ for an Oppo unless I was getting something I really needed/wanted. (plus there seems to be a lot of disc compatibility issues with Oppo)
-I don't care about 4K up-scaling right now. When I buy a 4K projector, 4K players will be mainstream, I'm sure.
-I don't care about streaming or web services (Most have it, but I don't care about it).
-Open on price, but the Sony BDP-S5200 (I haven't opened yet) was only $75, if I spend much more I might look into if the PS4 will do everything.


I grabbed a Sony BDP-S5200, but I haven't opened it yet and though't I'd ask for suggestions.

What do you guys suggest getting?
That 5200 will work good but you realize you won't get Atmos with the 4520?
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HELP!

Current Receiver: Denon 4520 with 11.2 speaker setup.
Current Player: PS3
Current Issue: Atmos Blu-rays registering as lossy audio on the PS3
Resolution: Help me find a new Blu-ray player.

Since I've had my PS3 I always had it set to bitstream and had the HD Audio light on the receiver. A month ago I popped in a multi-movie disc to watch Equilibrium and there was no audio menu whatsoever. When I looked at the PS3 info screen I noticed it said DTS and not DTS-HD MA. After looking online I came across the article below, which basically says if you have your PS3 set to bitstream it is only sending lossy audio to your receiver and switching to Linear PCM will give you the lossless sound. (That is when I realized all my audio had been lossy for the last year or so... )

http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/21/h...with-your-ps3/

Now I have an issue where Atmos Blu-rays are only registering as lossy audio on the PS3.


I do not know if the PS3 with Linear PCM is able to send 7.1 or NEO:X information the receiver (I have a Denon 4520), for some reason I seem to think the PS3 will only do 5.1, but I may be wrong on that. I have to research some more. If a PS4 will do everything a standalone player will do, maybe I should get that?



I just want to make sure the player I get can send 3D, Atmos, 7.1 Dolby TrueHD, NEO:X, DTS-HD MA 7.1, etc. I have a 11.2 capable receiver and a 11.2 speaker configuration. I want to make sure I am sending every bit of information from the disc to the speakers.

-I'd rather not pay $500+ for an Oppo unless I was getting something I really needed/wanted. (plus there seems to be a lot of disc compatibility issues with Oppo)
-I don't care about 4K up-scaling right now. When I buy a 4K projector, 4K players will be mainstream, I'm sure.
-I don't care about streaming or web services (Most have it, but I don't care about it).
-Open on price, but the Sony BDP-S5200 (I haven't opened yet) was only $75, if I spend much more I might look into if the PS4 will do everything.


I grabbed a Sony BDP-S5200, but I haven't opened it yet and though't I'd ask for suggestions.

What do you guys suggest getting?
Which PS3 do you have? That article being 5 years old may be referring to older models. My slim PS3 with updates has only one multi-ch failing in that it cannot do Dolby TrueHD 7.1 and 3D at the same time, otherwise it's fine with everything else either bitstream or lpcm (know nothing about Atmos....don't you need an Atmos enabled avr for any audio benefits?). I do have the S5100 in my bedroom, like it very much.

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Which PS3 do you have? That article being 5 years old may be referring to older models. My slim PS3 with updates has only one multi-ch failing in that it cannot do Dolby TrueHD 7.1 and 3D at the same time, otherwise it's fine with everything else either bitstream or lpcm (know nothing about Atmos....don't you need an Atmos enabled avr for any audio benefits?). I do have the S5100 in my bedroom, like it very much.
I have a slim that I remember buying specifically for HD audio, but it still performs as the article I linked shows.

I think it still might be incorrectly configured as Selden Ball previously mentioned, but I haven't had a chance to take a look yet.


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That 5200 will work good but you realize you won't get Atmos with the 4520?
I know. Future-proofing.

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Remote In Capability?

It's time to replace my current Blu-ray player (PS3) as it's having disc ejection issues. My Mid-Atlantic equipment rack is in the back of my room and I have a Harmony 1000 remote w/ RF receiver (w/in the equipment closet) to control all my components and lighting. I've been looking for a player w/ a "Remote In" jack like my receiver has, but have been unable to locate one fitting my needs. I don't have a 3D projector yet, but my upgrade to one in the future. I also require the unit to work w/ the DTS-HD in my receiver (Yamaha RX-V3800). Finally, it needs to work w/ Amazon streaming video. What do you all recommend that will work in my system? I really don't want the RF cable running around to the front of the unit as this looks ugly in my beautiful Mid-Atlantic rack w/ custom shelves...

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I have a slim that I remember buying specifically for HD audio, but it still performs as the article I linked shows.

I think it still might be incorrectly configured as Selden Ball previously mentioned, but I haven't had a chance to take a look yet.
You're using hdmi, yes? Mine works with hdmi either way, LPCM or bitstream, except as I noted with a movie that is both 3d and Dolby True HD (where it defaults to Dolby Digital). I stopped reading the article after I saw the date but checking your configuration may be the missing link?

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Small Vertical Players?

Hello all-

I have a new TV in the bedroom- it's wall mounted and not near any horizontal surfaces- so I'd like to mount a small BD player either to the wall behind the TV, or to the TV itself.

Something like this: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00IYH1IV6/..._t1_B00IQA1XIO would work great, I think. However, I'd like to see what other options are out there.

I assume anything that is slot loading would probably work vertically... and tray loaders with the little tabs on the tray (like Xbox 360) should work vertically too, right?

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My Panny bd65 just ate my disc and is not giving it back. (Pushed all the buttons and took it apart as far as I dared.I want a wifi blu ray but if I don't have a 3d tv and no plans for one do I want a 3d player? I have a 3 year old panny plasma and a denon avx2000 that has 4k capability and a modest 5.1 HT.. Do I want to consider the 4k upscaling? I don't live and breathe avs and all the technical stuff. Just want a blu ray that will play well,wifi and give me the best picture possible without braking my meager bank. Looking at the Panny bd91 or Sonybdps5200 for the wifi.Price range around $100. Don't really want to wade into all this before xmas but will there be better deals,clearance right after xmas??

found out my laptop does not play blu ray so I'm dead in the water for the Holidays.
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My Panny bd65 just ate my disc and is not giving it back. (Pushed all the buttons and took it apart as far as I dared.I want a wifi blu ray but if I don't have a 3d tv and no plans for one do I want a 3d player?
Just because a player can play a 3D disc does not mean you have to use that feature. Sometimes such a player will have other features that you do want that lesser models don't have.

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I have a 3 year old panny plasma and a denon avx2000 that has 4k capability and a modest 5.1 HT.. Do I want to consider the 4k upscaling?
Just like 3D requires a 3D TV, 4K upscaling can only work if you have a 4K TV. But, again, you don't have to use that feature. Many of the players which include 4K upscaling also load discs faster.

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I don't live and breathe avs and all the technical stuff. Just want a blu ray that will play well,wifi and give me the best picture possible without braking my meager bank. Looking at the Panny bd91 or Sonybdps5200 for the wifi.Price range around $100. Don't really want to wade into all this before xmas but will there be better deals,clearance right after xmas??
Maybe. That's hard to guess.

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found out my laptop does not play blu ray so I'm dead in the water for the Holidays.
External USB-2 Blu-ray disc drives are available, but they cost the same as a stand-alone player, or maybe a little bit more. They usually include a voucher to download commercial Blu-ray player software for free, although it usually is missing some features.

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Best Blu-ray player for $100?

I'm in need of a last minute Christmas present. Hoping for a decent Blu-ray player with wifi/streaming capabilities. Thanks in advance!
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It's time to replace my current Blu-ray player (PS3) as it's having disc ejection issues. My Mid-Atlantic equipment rack is in the back of my room and I have a Harmony 1000 remote w/ RF receiver (w/in the equipment closet) to control all my components and lighting. I've been looking for a player w/ a "Remote In" jack like my receiver has, but have been unable to locate one fitting my needs. I don't have a 3D projector yet, but my upgrade to one in the future. I also require the unit to work w/ the DTS-HD in my receiver (Yamaha RX-V3800). Finally, it needs to work w/ Amazon streaming video. What do you all recommend that will work in my system? I really don't want the RF cable running around to the front of the unit as this looks ugly in my beautiful Mid-Atlantic rack w/ custom shelves...

Thanks!
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Actually, the 3200 is nowhere near the OP's $100 requirement. For that price, the OP will have to accept quite a bit more bells and whistles. Even the 5200 doesn't meet this threshold. While inferior to most cheaper options, some of the few players that meet the OP's requirements are the LG BP540 and Samsung BDP-F5700.

Personally, I'd go for the $45 Sony BDP-S2200 off the shelf at Wal-mart and spend the other $55 on something else.
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Actually, the 3200 is nowhere near the OP's $100 requirement. For that price, the OP will have to accept quite a bit more bells and whistles. Even the 5200 doesn't meet this threshold. While inferior to most cheaper options, some of the few players that meet the OP's requirements are the LG BP540 and Samsung BDP-F5700.

Personally, I'd go for the $45 Sony BDP-S2200 off the shelf at Wal-mart and spend the other $55 on something else.
Much obliged. Thanks for the quick responses!
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Actually, the 3200 is nowhere near the OP's $100 requirement. For that price, the OP will have to accept quite a bit more bells and whistles. Even the 5200 doesn't meet this threshold. While inferior to most cheaper options, some of the few players that meet the OP's requirements are the LG BP540 and Samsung BDP-F5700.

Personally, I'd go for the $45 Sony BDP-S2200 off the shelf at Wal-mart and spend the other $55 on something else.
Mdave - Amazon has the 5200 on sale for $75 with free one day shipping. Is it worth the extra $30 over the S2200?


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I have the same router, different 46" Samsung, and several OPPO players. I play MKV files and the occasional MP4. I used wired ethernet because it's convenient to do so.

The -103/105 players support SMB shares as well as DLNA. I'm sure some less costly players do the same thing.

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Haven't found a less costly one that does SMB, all of them seem to do DLNA.
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I am retiring a Denon 2910 univ dvd player and an LG blu ray to use just one unit. I have a 15 year old Denon 3300 AVR with 6 channel analog audio inputs and I have not decided if 6 channel from HDMI will sound different from 6 channel analog. I am considering Denon 1713ud vs oppo 103 - same price point but the Denon does not offer 6 channel analog nor video processing. I am on my second generation Denon dvd and avr without any issues except the 2910 lost HDMI a few years back.

For now 5.1 is ok and the standard DTS & DD is acceptable. A new avr is a couple of years out and BTW I have a 1 year old Sony Bravia r550a smart tv so the 4k units are in my distant future.

Network & wifi not important to me but a future NAS is.

So have I given enough info for informed advice?? Leaning to oppo at the moment.

Thx guys

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I am retiring a Denon 2910 univ dvd player and an LG blu ray to use just one unit. I have a 15 year old Denon 3300 AVR with 6 channel analog audio inputs and I have not decided if 6 channel from HDMI will sound different from 6 channel analog. I am considering Denon 1713ud vs oppo 103 - same price point but the Denon does not offer 6 channel analog nor video processing. I am on my second generation Denon dvd and avr without any issues except the 2910 lost HDMI a few years back.

For now 5.1 is ok and the standard DTS & DD is acceptable. A new avr is a couple of years out and BTW I have a 1 year old Sony Bravia r550a smart tv so the 4k units are in my distant future.

Network & wifi not important to me but a future NAS is.

So have I given enough info for informed advice?? Leaning to oppo at the moment.

Thx guys

I'd go with the Oppo for the extra features, some you've noted: video processing, both DLNA and SMP local network access to a NAS. It does provide streaming, which its video processing is applied to. I've used the analog and compared it to HDMI on an earlier Oppo (83) and both were comparable.

The 103 (I have the 103D) is supposed to have an analog section better than the 83, so I would think you'd be happy with the 103. Oppo's return policy is 30 days, so you get to test drive it.

If you can extend the price by 100, I highly recommend the 103D. But the 103 is excellent.

Just my 2 cents...
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