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What is a good blu ray player that will decode DTS-HD-MA, and TrueHD, and output all the channels? Anything out there under $200 with those features?

I was looking at the Sony s5200, but apparently it only outputs 2 channel?
Sony will bitstream the Dolby/DTS 5.1 core tracks which is all you need for a 5.1 soundbar. Otherwise, get a Panasonic player. Many are under $200. Anything but the 91 should work for lossless over PCM.
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Sony will bitstream the Dolby/DTS 5.1 core tracks which is all you need for a 5.1 soundbar. Otherwise, get a Panasonic player. Many are under $200. Anything but the 91 should work for lossless over PCM.
It'll work even though my system only decodes DD and DD+? Also, it's the soundbar, and the 2 rear speakers.

I'm still new to this, but what I've gathered thus far is bitstreaming is a way of sending it to have the receiver do the decoding correct? I'm thinking I need the blu ray player to decode everything. Is that PCM?

I'm looking at the samsung F5700 now. It's hard to tell if it does the decoding to all channels.
Any other recommendation on players??
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It'll work even though my system only decodes DD and DD+? Also, it's the soundbar, and the 2 rear speakers.

I'm still new to this, but what I've gathered thus far is bitstreaming is a way of sending it to have the receiver do the decoding correct? I'm thinking I need the blu ray player to decode everything. Is that PCM?

I'm looking at the samsung F5700 now. It's hard to tell if it does the decoding to all channels.
Any other recommendation on players??
If you have a surround sound system that can decode DD but not DTS, what you want is a BD player that converts DTS to DD and passes that to your system as a bitstream. The Samsung F5700 & above will do that for bluray discs but not for USB media. Don't know about Sony.

If you are going to use the F5700 to stream movies, I would suggest spending a few dollars more for the F5900. You can not add internet apps to the F5700 (so no Amazon Instant video ever), but you can with the F5900.
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It'll work even though my system only decodes DD and DD+? Also, it's the soundbar, and the 2 rear speakers.

I'm still new to this, but what I've gathered thus far is bitstreaming is a way of sending it to have the receiver do the decoding correct? I'm thinking I need the blu ray player to decode everything. Is that PCM?

I'm looking at the samsung F5700 now. It's hard to tell if it does the decoding to all channels.
Any other recommendation on players??
I understand the desire for HD audio, but you're not going to notice any difference with a sound bar. Any player will bitstream DD/DTS 5.1 for your system to decode. In the specs, it also says it decodes DTS, so you're all set, no matter what player you get.

If you must have HD audio, then yes, you need a player that will decode and output PCM 5.1 at least, not downmix like Sony. I'd argue you don't need that for your system.

Others will have to address the Samsung questions.
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I have searched for the past 45 minutes " no streaming" plain, no wifi, etc, to no avail. I have read about 30 pages of the help me buy a blu ray player thread.

I'm just looking for the best picture quality player i can get for under 100.00 that has no apps, wifi, streaming etc. Just plain vanilla blu-ray player.

Do they even still exist without some sort of streaming apps?

Ive been away for awhile (2006), jvc dvd, athena speakers, etc, but I am starting to get back into upgrading everything, and AVS was my first stop!

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Unfortunately, no such limited-function device exists, although some players have fewer functions and/or provide much cruder user interfaces than others. If you don't want to use them, you can just not connect the player to the network.

Panasonic tends to provide the most video quality adjustments, FWIW, while Sony has better network apps. Those are the two brands most often recommended here.

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Unless you get an Oppo, but that's not under $200.
No the question was about a Sony unit. Don't know why I would want 7 ch analog output either since I'd have more options with digital output.

PS Just saw Selden's answer...didn't know they dumbed down from the 5100....at least I think I can output multi ch pcm on my 5100....have to go look!

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No the question was about a Sony unit. Don't know why I would want 7 ch analog output either since I'd have more options with digital output.

PS Just saw Selden's answer...didn't know they dumbed down from the 5100....at least I think I can output multi ch pcm on my 5100....have to go look!
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Via analog it probably has only 2 channel output, by HDMI it will have 7.1.
Again, to answer your question; the Sony S5200 DOES NOT have 2-Channel Analog outputs, except for an Oppo. As for the multiple analog out, you get higher decibel for (CD) music listening - especially in 2.0 stereo.
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Again, to answer your question; the Sony S5200 DOES NOT have 2-Channel Analog outputs, except for an Oppo. As for the multiple analog out, you get higher decibel for (CD) music listening - especially in 2.0 stereo.
Wasn't my question. Analog outputs I never use anyways, even on my cd player. Didn't know about the input level difference between various outputs on your Oppo, though.
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Thanks for the responses guys. I'll continue my search on picking the correct blu ray player for my system.
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Am I missing something here?
Samsung F5900 is the older model, seems to be discontinued?
http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/co...0721140817496/[BD-F5900-ZA]AK68-02285N-05ENG_BM-0717.pdf
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The manual shows it does PCM up to 7.1 channels.



The newer model... HF900 only does PCM 2 channels???
http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/co...ZA_1601_BK.pdf
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Are they trying to take away the ability for players to decode DTS HD MA and output 7.1??
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Am I missing something here?
Samsung F5900 is the older model, seems to be discontinued?
http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/co...0721140817496/[BD-F5900-ZA]AK68-02285N-05ENG_BM-0717.pdf
Page 62

The manual shows it does PCM up to 7.1 channels.



The newer model... HF900 only does PCM 2 channels???
http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/co...ZA_1601_BK.pdf
Page 12


Are they trying to take away the ability for players to decode DTS HD MA and output 7.1??
They (the movie studios) only care about limiting our flexibility in using our players to fit our systems and flexibility needs. Their (the movie studios sitting on the Blu-Ray rules group like a gorilla on a banana) obsession with DRM forces the elimination of most connections beyond HDMI. It is ridiculous, accomplishes little and only serves to limit the acceptance of blu-ray in the consumer marketplace with absolutely no benefit to the movie studios, but they are too stupid or stubborn to accept that!
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Am I missing something here?
Samsung F5900 is the older model, seems to be discontinued?
http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/co...0721140817496/[BD-F5900-ZA]AK68-02285N-05ENG_BM-0717.pdf
Page 62

The manual shows it does PCM up to 7.1 channels.



The newer model... HF900 only does PCM 2 channels???
http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/co...ZA_1601_BK.pdf
Page 12


Are they trying to take away the ability for players to decode DTS HD MA and output 7.1??
The problem seems to be that the "low price" player manufacturers simply are implementing severe cost containment measures. The license costs for two-channel decoders are less than the costs for 7.1 channel decoders. Since modern receivers and pre/pros can decode all of the audio formats, the players don't really have to. Unless, that is, you want to hear the secondary audio tracks that are only on a very few discs.

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Am I missing something here?
Samsung F5900 is the older model, seems to be discontinued?
http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/co...0721140817496/[BD-F5900-ZA]AK68-02285N-05ENG_BM-0717.pdf
Page 62

The manual shows it does PCM up to 7.1 channels.



The newer model... HF900 only does PCM 2 channels???
http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/co...ZA_1601_BK.pdf
Page 12


Are they trying to take away the ability for players to decode DTS HD MA and output 7.1??
My mistake. I should have said BD-H5900 rather than BD-F5900. I've got the BD-F5700. My understanding is that the BD-H5900 has the same features as the BD-F5700 + Amazon Instant Video + 3D + Optical Audio out rather than Coaxial Audio out.

I like the USB media player that Samsung builds into their TVs & BD players, and that was the primary reason I got the BD-F5700 rather than another brand. That and the BD-F5700 was on sale at Walmart.
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What bluray player does the best 4k upscaling, processing?
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What bluray player does the best 4k upscaling, processing?
Oppo 103 & 103D but it costs 500 - 600.

What is your budget?
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Has Sony announced their 2015 players yet?

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