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Lets try again it seems my logic is flawed so forgive me, from what I read the Sony models will do the bit streaming just fine? Since my current Panasonic LCD TV is not 4K ready if I get the Sony model will I notice some improvements? I like the picture quality of blu ray just want to to be able to get the best audio I can out of the player. If the Sony will do it great I just thought the Samsung being a more expensive brand would be better.
As Shelden mention earlier, audio will be the same coming from both your current BDP65 and a new player. Both players bitstream. Video will also be the same with Blu-ray. I have old Panasonics, newer Sonys, Oppo, Denon, Samsung, etc. Samsung is my least favorite brand. Honestly, this is what you will get by getting a new player. Better apps and app performance and faster startup/load times. The Sonys are better at streaming (both apps and files).

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Thank you so it boils down to features audio and video is going to be the same unless I had a 4K TV and a UHD player it will only be so good. Taking that into account the best bang for the buck is going to the Sony. Just when I get somewhat comfortable with setting up my hometheaer system a wrench gets thrown in when I ask about the players. Thank you.
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So I have a 4K UHD tv Vizio p65 and use a Pioneer vsx 90 as a AVR so it has full 4k 2.2 compliance that is ran as a 5.1 surround system usualy DD+ and I do not plan on atmos

What reasons are there to go with a stand alone UHD Blue ray player like the samsung or panisonic over the Xbox one S ?
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Lets try again it seems my logic is flawed so forgive me, from what I read the Sony models will do the bit streaming just fine?
Correct. However, you do need to turn Off the Audio Settings feature labeled "BD Audio Mix Setting". By default it's On, which causes the player to decode soundtracks to stereo PCM.
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Since my current Panasonic LCD TV is not 4K ready if I get the Sony model will I notice some improvements?
Maybe. There are several color decoding options available in the player. (YCbCr/RGB) Some TVs look better when you specify a particular setting instead of letting the player automatically choose one of them

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I like the picture quality of blu ray just want to to be able to get the best audio I can out of the player. If the Sony will do it great I just thought the Samsung being a more expensive brand would be better.
Samsung players provide more audio encoding/decoding options than Sony players have. That might be important depending on what receiver you have. In particular, 2015 and 2016 D+M equipment currently are unable to apply Dolby Surround to DTS soundtracks. This is a major inconvenience not present in their older equipment or in receivers from other manufacturers. It's supposedly going to be fixed in a firmware update which is not expected until the fall. As a result, a workaround is to use multichannel audio decoding in the player.

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It seems like I dug up a big can of worms! I understood I think everything up until the last post, now it seems that since I am mostly interested in audio the Samsung might be better? If it means anything my AVR is a Yamaha RX-A2010 I currently have it set for surround decode which depending on my selection it goes to DolbyPL2x music. Not trying to sound cheap either but I saw several listings for the Samsung J7500 for approx. 130.00 I also saw the Sony 6700 new for the same price. Not questioning your knowledge but once again based on the ability to multi channel the Samsung is a better choice? Now if money was no object the new Panasonic for 700 would be great or even the K8500 for 370.00 but since I am not fully set for 4K not interested. Sorry for the numerous questions.
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It seems like I dug up a big can of worms! I understood I think everything up until the last post, now it seems that since I am mostly interested in audio the Samsung might be better? If it means anything my AVR is a Yamaha RX-A2010 I currently have it set for surround decode which depending on my selection it goes to DolbyPL2x music. Not trying to sound cheap either but I saw several listings for the Samsung J7500 for approx. 130.00 I also saw the Sony 6700 new for the same price. Not questioning your knowledge but once again based on the ability to multi channel the Samsung is a better choice? Now if money was no object the new Panasonic for 700 would be great or even the K8500 for 370.00 but since I am not fully set for 4K not interested. Sorry for the numerous questions.
No. The audio options in the Samsung are for converting the DTS lossless codec to lossless Dolby Digital for receivers and Soundbars that only handle Dolby Digital and converting lossless TrueHD and DTS Master Audio to PCM for receivers that cannot decode those 2 formats. You would not do either of those. Between the Sony model and the Samsung models you mentioned, I would go with the Sony.

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Okay the 6700 it is. Once I get a 4K TV is video will be even better but this is still a start. Last question are there any advantages going with the S7200 over the S6700? Just want to make sure before I buy.
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Okay the 6700 it is. Once I get a 4K TV is video will be even better but this is still a start. Last question are there any advantages going with the S7200 over the S6700? Just want to make sure before I buy.
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Functionally, they're essentially identical.

One major difference is packaging:
The 7200 is in a full-width box and includes its AC power supply inside the box, using a standard external power cord. The 6700 is in a small box, maybe 50% larger than the disc drive and uses an external wall-wart power supply. This can take up excessive space on some power strips.

Also, the 7200 has a minimal front-panel display. The 6700 has no display.

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If those are the only two differences then the choice is even easier , I will go for the cheaper of the two. Not worried about cords or plug space that is covered. If the 6700 has no front panel display that is fine I am sure the display on the monitor will be fine. For that matter even with my AVR I use the display on my TV more so then the one on the AVR. Thanks again for your help.
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I ended up ordering the 6700 and wanted to say thanks to all for the help.
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So much I don't know

I have no experience with home theatre or digital. Finally abandoning my 25 y/o A/V gear. I bought a VIZIO M50 C1 4K Smart TV. It has auto 4K upscaling. Does this mean that I don't have to buy a BluRay player with upscaling?

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Since your tv has a UHD resolution, anything not at 2160p will need to be upscaled to display. The tv can do it, but there is a school of thought that doing the scaling at the source (the player) can give you a better image.

UHD Bluray players are now available. They can upscale traditional blurays and also play the new UHD resolution ones.

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That's right. You don't need to buy a BluRay player with upscaling.

However, if you don't already own a BluRay player, there are inexpensive ones (starting at <$100US) that upscale. Whether they would have better performance than the upscaling built in to the M50-C1, I don't know.

Players that play actual UHD Blu Ray disks are more expensive. The only model currently available in the US is the Samsung UBD-K8500. (Philips is supposed to have a similar player on the market soon. Panasonic may have a more expensive unit out in 2017. The Microsoft Xbox One S video game system is supposed to play UHD Blu Ray disks, and it's due in early August, but in its most expensive form only [2TB hard disk].)

I see that Amazon has some UBD-K8500 players at $318 at the moment (down from $400). BestBuy, $320. Looks like the prices for the Samsung are dropping faster than I expected. (I hope that these price mentions are within the forum rules.)

The M50-C1 is a 2015 model, and it looks like it doesn't support HDR. However, it appears to have a 10 bit panel (1 billion colors), so it probably has an unusually good image for a relatively inexpensive display.
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Thank u both for your replies. bobknavs, you are correct that my TV doesn't have HDR. I read an article that said the difference between using a true 4K player and a 4K upscaling player with this TV is minimal, so I will look for a highly rated upscaling player and save my self some money. I've been watching 480p so long that Blu-ray will be a reveleation. Thanks again!
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I read an article that said the difference between using a true 4K player and a 4K upscaling player with this TV is minima
I have a hard time believing this is true.

UHD bluray (a true 4K player) should have a lot more detail, wider color gamut, etc.

What I think would produce a negligible difference is a legacy bluray player (where your TV upscales it) and a newer model that can upscale 1080p to 4K. These options would probably look similar, but neither would be as good as an actual 2160p image.

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I have a hard time believing this is true.

UHD bluray (a true 4K player) should have a lot more detail, wider color gamut, etc.

What I think would produce a negligible difference is a legacy bluray player (where your TV upscales it) and a newer model that can upscale 1080p to 4K. These options would probably look similar, but neither would be as good as an actual 2160p image.
I don't know whether UHD would give a better color gamut on an M50-C1.

The extra detail might be nice, but to fully appreciate it, you may have to sit very close to the monitor. (The monitor's diagonal dimension would be roughly right. Would you sit 50" from a 50" monitor? Actually, if you wanted a pixel to subtend 1 arc minute, or 0.3 milliradians, you'd have to sit about 38" from a 50" TV.)

Mostly playing devil's advocate here. My current TV is a Hisense 50H8C (cheap), and I own a Samsung UBD-K8500 UHD Blu Ray player. I can tell the difference between UHD and regular BDs, but it's more subtle than the difference between BD and DVD. (At least at normal viewing distances, for me.)

Someday, HDR may be the most significant improvement in the realism of video. I hope that I can afford a monitor that does a good job of that when the time comes.
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I'm looking for a reasonable Blu Ray player that can be used vertically. Does anyone know of good options. Thanks!
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