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Is there a Blu-ray deck on the market yet that exhibits very good upscaling performance for standard DVD playback AS WELL AS supports bitstreaming for ALL the new high resolution codecs, INCLUDING Dolby TrueHD and Master Audio?

And when I say "very good upscaling performance," I am referring to something better than the Panasonic '10A's pitiful excuse for an upscaler...
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Not yet.

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It's coming soon. Denon DVD-3800BDCI.

http://www.usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/3749.asp

This is going to be one extremely accomplished player.

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Maybe you should of added "reasonably priced" to the title.

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It's coming soon. Denon DVD-3800BDCI.

http://www.usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/3749.asp

This is going to be one extremely accomplished player.

LOL. For $2,000 it should give me a ... never mind
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LOL. For $2,000 it should give me a ... never mind

LOL, I'm just the messenger .

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Thanks for all the replies, fellas; much appreciated...

Wow, that Denon does indeed look hot...and, as one member suggested, perhaps I SHOULD have mentioned that it should be "affordably priced" to a certain extent...

I think that Denon would pretty much be out of my price range; but, until that arrives, what is the problem with most current-generation Blu-ray decks...they simply all don't upconvert DVDs well? Is there a player other than my Panny '10A that will do at least a better job than this deck at upconversion -- yet can offer the bitstreaming of all new codecs, or is this not even a possibility at the moment?
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Well the Jury's still out on the upcoming BD50, it's rumored to have a better VP than Panasonics previous efforts and we're keeping our fingers crossed for correct HDMI PCM LFE.

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Is there a Blu-ray deck on the market yet that exhibits very good upscaling performance for standard DVD playback AS WELL AS supports bitstreaming for ALL the new high resolution codecs, INCLUDING Dolby TrueHD and Master Audio?

And when I say "very good upscaling performance," I am referring to something better than the Panasonic '10A's pitiful excuse for an upscaler...

What about the Pioneer Elite 95FD?
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What about the Pioneer Elite 95FD?

I'm not sure if it has the stellar SD-DVD playback that he's looking for. Reviews on this one have been scarse.

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Well the Jury's still out on the upcoming BD50, it's rumored to have a better VP than Panasonics previous efforts and we're keeping our fingers crossed for correct HDMI PCM LFE.

Thanks Stevens...I have heard about the 50 model, notably from reports here...looks interesting indeed...this "rumor" of its improved video processing remains to be seen, however...I suppose we would need to see it to believe it...also, the problem with the HDMI PCM LFE has indeed been an issue on my '10A, too, so a solution to this issue would be welcome change in addition.

I'll keep the 50 in mind...thanks again...
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I'm not sure if it has the stellar SD-DVD playback that he's looking for. Reviews on this one have been scarse.

Indeed...can anyone confirm if the Pioneer Elite deck exhibits excellent standard def upscaling?
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if you read the thread on the new panny elite 05 chris walker says it will have a new and improved chip. so look for it to upscale even better than the 95.
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if you read the thread on the new panny elite 05 chris walker says it will have a new and improved chip. so look for it to upscale even better than the 95.

I think you mean Pioneer elite , and if this is true then this player will be the one to watch for. I heard they also lowered the msrp to $899.00. Sounds like it's to be a good alternative to the 3800.

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I think you mean Pioneer elite , and if this is true then this player will be the one to watch for. I heard they also lowered the msrp to $899.00. Sounds like it's to be a good alternative to the 3800.

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So is the concensus here to wait and watch for this Pioneer player?

My main concern is two things: BITSTREAMING of ALL the codecs and EXCELLENT DVD upscaling performance -- of course, these are heady things to ask for, but.....
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By the end of the year, many players will do what you want... But the sooner you want it, the more you'll pay...$2K for the Denon avaialbe in a week or two, $899 for the Pioneer in 3 mos, $599 for the Panny in 6 mos...and so on.

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The Pioneer 95 is a poor upconverter. Odds are the upcoming 05 will not be any better. Check out Kris Deering's review on Secrets.
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Yes....indeed it seems the faster one of these machines are bought, the more we're gonna pay...thanks for the info on that, Bland...

Now the report is that the Pioneer (I think it was) is going to have a poor upconverter; that's not good news. I'd ideally like one machine to do Blu-ray with all codecs supported via bitstream AND upscale DVDs very well...while these are admirable goals and demands from one chassis, I am not willing to split between two decks in my rack -- that is, one for good DVD performance and another for Blu-ray playback, so I need one that does both well...

Is there ANY chance any future model will fulfill both of these being that now the reports of the Pioneer won't be that great in the upscaling department?
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By the end of the year, many players will do what you want... But the sooner you want it, the more you'll pay

But...

...$2K for the Denon avaialbe in a week or two, $899 for the Pioneer in 3 mos, $599 for the Panny in 6 mos...and so on.

Will these aforementioned models you cite here provide excellent DVD upscaling? That's one of the more pressing buying points for me...
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Yes.. Upscaling in todays world has been improved even with $100 players. Just ask any HD DVD owner...They'll swear to such.. Upscaling seems to be the buzz word du jour here. Upscaling really impacts things on a large screen only. I see little improvement with my 'holy grail' of upscaling (my Tosh XA2) versus the full blown upscaling from my $4K Lumagen Radiance when displayed on my 58" plasma....now on my projection screen @14' wide, things are different. Shooting the Oppo @ 480i over HDMI to my Radiance video processor for upconversion allows for for some very compelling improvements over my Tosh XA2 w/ Reon in terms of upconversion. The better upscaling only comes in handy in front projection on larger screens in my experience.. For my smaller 58" plasma, little differences are seen between various priced upscaling players... Or I haven't noticed....

I say look for the Blu Ray player that does the best BD sound and video and I'll bet the upscaling is plenty good. ..

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Well, I'm only going by the results my Panny '10A has produced in the upscaling department...I mean, running the player at 1080p output for regular DVD playback produces more jaggies, artifacts, noise and grain than I've ever seen before on any 480p deck...I MUST get a player that makes the 1080p upscaling look better on my 50" SXRD...
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By the end of the year, many players will do what you want... But the sooner you want it, the more you'll pay

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...$2K for the Denon avaialbe in a week or two, $899 for the Pioneer in 3 mos, $599 for the Panny in 6 mos...and so on.

Will these aforementioned models you cite here provide excellent DVD upscaling? That's one of the more pressing buying points for me...

Other than the Denon, the other prices are just guestimates and are not final pricing, they could be lower or higher at release time.

Just enjoy HD in whatever form you can (Sat, Cable, D-VHS, OTA, HD DVD, or BD).
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Dont you think that buying a decent bluray player like Panny BD30 or Sammy 1400 with a decent receiver such as Onkyo Sr605 will get away with good audio/video? Of course you cant play DIVX on any of these basic BD players which is livable I guess than buying $2k BD player.

GOD have mercy on BD lovers.
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The Samsung 5000 MIGHT (May 2008). I know it is a combo player, but it does have the Reon. Samsung has indicated to Ben Drawbaugh (poster here and Engadget.COM) that codec support is coming in May.

You would get the added benefit of playing back HD-DVD as well.

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Is the Denon 3800 profile 2.0 compliant? I don't see an ethernet jack on the back. How much more can this cost for a $2K player?
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Is the Denon 3800 profile 2.0 compliant? I don't see an ethernet jack on the back. How much more can this cost for a $2K player?

No it isn't.

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Other than the Denon, the other prices are just guestimates and are not final pricing, they could be lower or higher at release time.

Thanks Jon. $899 or so would be more reasonable for me.
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Dont you think that buying a decent bluray player like Panny BD30 or Sammy 1400 with a decent receiver such as Onkyo Sr605 will get away with good audio/video? Of course you cant play DIVX on any of these basic BD players which is livable I guess than buying $2k BD player.

GOD have mercy on BD lovers.


What exactly are you saying here?
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The Samsung 5000 MIGHT (May 2008). I know it is a combo player, but it does have the Reon. Samsung has indicated to Ben Drawbaugh (poster here and Engadget.COM) that codec support is coming in May.

You would get the added benefit of playing back HD-DVD as well.

Good to know, Carl; thank you. Indeed, I do not need the HD DVD support but I suppose I could start buying titles in that format as well if I bought this deck; the buying power for me would be this deck's upscaling performance with the Reon chip...on the other hand, I have heard such horrendous things about Samsung's high definition decks, so I don't know...
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