Originally Posted by Wiz33
Do some research before you open your mouth and stick your foot in it.
I love when people say this, and then go on to say............
Guess who makes the Cell processor for Sony? TOSHIBA, yea you read right! F**King TOSHIBA makes the cell processor for Sony and you think they are selling it to Sony at a lost?
Ummm, you do realize Toshiba alone does not "make" the Cell processor for the PS3 right? I hate to break this to you, and it's odd that someone doesn't know this, but IBM and Sony both have stake in the Cell as well as Toshiba.
In fact reports were that Sony was going to sell their part of Cell manufacturing to Toshiba, but that has yet to happen AFAIK
, unless I just passed over the news article that confirmed it happened.
So your notion that "F**King TOSHIBA makes the cell processor for Sony" is very much a false statement.
Also, cost of a PS3 have been discuss to death by many indy industry sources as the component pricing is well known.
So it the fact that PS3's are still selling at a loss, more than just a little. That is pretty well known and easily obtainable information. Sony THINKS the PS3 will one day be profitable, but it ain't here yet.
All number is since inception. MS's is 6+ billion in the hole even though the 360 is finally selling at a profit so they make money on the book last quarter.
You know the Entertainment division at Microsoft is more than just the 360 right? You know it's Games for Windows, and Zune, and Microsoft TV, and HD DVD/HDi, and such? Funny how the Xbox 360 is actually what's turning profit and reversing loss in that division.
And let's not pretend that that 6 Billion (which I am not even sure is accurate) isn't covered by other divisions of Microsoft.
Sony's gaming division is still well in the black despite losing 3 billion on the PS3 because unlike MS losing over 4 billion just on the original Xbox, the PS1, PS2 and even the PSP actually made them tons of money.
O'rly?? Because I keep seeing articles like this:http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post...rate-neck.html"Sony earnings: games division a financial albatross around corporate neck"
"For the fourth quarter alone, analysts believe that Sony will post a ¥75.8 billion yen ($630 million) loss, up from ¥66.5 billion a year earlier. For the fiscal year that ended on March 31, 2007, Sony is reporting ¥71.8 billion in operating profits ($597.09 million), down from ¥226.42 billion ($1.88 billion) from fiscal year 2006. That's a huge drop, even for a company with as many interests in Sony. The problem lies with the PlayStation 3: GamesIndustry is reporting that the games division is operating at a ¥232.3 billion deficit for the fiscal year."
If you are making it out to be that Sony's game division has been in the black and absorbed the losses on the Playstation 3, you would be incorrect.
System seller for the PS3 this year. MGS4, GT prologue maybe GT5 and FFXIII if they come out in 2008. EA already came out and said they expect PS3 to sell more than 360 this year and so has many industries sources.
Awesome. PS3 has some good games coming out. But we keep coming back to "Well, just wait until game X comes out". Then game X comes out and the PS3 can't outsell the 360. It took a console shortage even this month to outsell the 360, and could only do it by 40,000 units.
BTW, System seller for the 360 this year: Ninja Gaiden 2, Too Human, Alan Wake, Banjo 3 (which will be out this year).
Both systems have their AAA games coming in '08.