Originally Posted by namechamps
This simply is not true. Show me one insider anywhere that says human perception of DTS = DTS-HD:MA. I thought this kind of "my side doesn't do X so X isn't important" thinking died when the format war is over. I guess for some it will never end.
Just add something like the following to your signature so we know where you stand:
I was basically saying that there is a placebo affect according to some insiders on AVS. There is no my side nonsense, so please don't read into or add to what I have said when it isn't there to begin with. There was nothing implied either. This is a thread about comparing two BD players. The war is over and I have no need to argue or make points about it's merits or lack of them.
Also please don't try to think you know what I am thinking or try to tell me what should be in my signature.
^^That is the nice way to respond to your post, but I want to tell you in no uncertain terms that you don't know a damn about where I stand, what I think or how I feel.
I would suggest doing a bit of a search before incorrectly making a statement about something someone else has read and researched as I did in this case.
Here is the proof:
From FilmMixer an insider at AVS:"My experience has shown me that at higher bit rates, such as 1.5mbps, a lossy encode is transparent to the master.
DTS has been telling everybody this since the inception of DTS.
Considering that uncompressed PCM at 24/48 runs at 6.9mbps, why do you think that 4:1 compression of audio cannot be transparent to the master, and that people are assuming that the lossless codecs are better without any direct, level matched comparison to either the lossy encode or the master?
My experience tells me that in a double blind test, people cannot reliably tell you with any certainty the differences between a film soundtrack with a HBR lossy encode vs. the master.
But when somebody starts a thread entitled "A Direct Comparison," which in this case it isn't, it is natural for people with opposite experiences to question their methods.
In doing so, I am not trying to discount his findings, but trying to give others who are thinking of spending their hard earned cash on new equipment both sides of the argument, so to speak.
Just trying to get a little more of the Science back into AVS."
From this link which this page gets to the point from insiders:http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...8#post12927818He even relates that DTS has maintained for years that the 1.5 core track is virtually transparent to the master
Amir agrees with him as does several other insiders for what that is worth. There are those that disagree as well.
The key point to note is that he works in certified labs doing sound mixes for Hollywood, so he would know and you and I would know only what we think we hear or are told.
You can do more searches and find the same insiders reitterating the same facts that they have come to experience.
*EDIT* This thread just got started tonight, so more debates about sound differences:http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1006543