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post #241 of 269 Old 03-11-2016, 09:39 AM - Thread Starter
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After a full night of testing Front Height/Rear Height vs Top Front/Top Rear speaker locations

I decided that Front Height/Rear Height designation worked the best for my room, with one final tweak
the Rear Height speakers are now right against the rear wall (they were out about 12" at first)
and I lowered them about 6" to get closer to the 135º (45º from MLP) that works for both Atmos and DTS:X







The Yamaha AV controller app on my Samsung Tab E sure works great!
Can actually see it in the dark when all the lights are all out and the projector is on
....and I can no longer see the buttons on the Yamaha remote.


Not sure I'll have much use for the remote now,
Having access to all 12 scenes is a LOT better than just 4 on the remote

a little Blues from the hundreds of channels available on internet radio
9 Channel Stereo mode (plays on all 11 speakers) with Enhancer sounds pretty darn good!


info for anyone interested in Setting up a Yamaha RX-A3050 for Atmos (Overhead) and DTS:X (Height) modes
due to the different Speaker Pattern Requirements ( Overhead vs Height designation for Presence Speakers)

The ideal position for presence speakers that work well for both formats is 45º Front and Rear from your MLP
Run your YPAO Auto setup to calibrate all your speakers, subs. (I always use FLAT for my PEQ with my speakers)

I typically go into manual mode right after YPAO auto calibration and adjust all my speakers to "small",
set all my crossovers to 80Hz (to direct all <80Hz frequencies to my powered subs)
This frees up a lot of power in the AVR to concentrate on mid's and highs with a lot more headroom.
The subs are better qualified for lower frequencies and have a LOT more power than an AVR for the hungriest frequencies.

I leave all distances alone but I make sure to double check all output levels with my SPL meter. ($30 from Radioshack)
Using the SPL meter, I manually bring the sub levels up between +5dB to +10dB (peak) over the other speaker levels.
Copy Speaker Pattern from 1 to match in Pattern 2 (Setting Data Copy Pattern1->Pattern 2)
...so there will be no need to re-calibrate and reset all my preferences twice.

Now to set Two different patterns for Atmos/DTS:X and their respective up mixers (Dolby Surround/Neural:X)
and setting up a "Scene" for each to toggle between Atmos/Overhead and DTS:X/Height on the fly depending which format the Bluray is mastered in.

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Manual Setup



I'll start with Pattern 2 (Setting up for DTS:X/Neural:X with Heights)




Configuration


Layout


Front Presence


Front Height


Rear Presence


set to Rear Height


All Done with Pattern 2 Heights for DTS:X, so ready to load that info into a scene slot


I chose my Scene 4 and went to the Rename/Icon Select first




Load section to adjust settings/parameters


You have to click on the DETAIL tab next


Only the first 3 selection boxes are ticked by default
so I ticked all the boxes but the last one is the most important right now


If you click on the Speaker Setup tab you will see the pattern is a required element in the load sequence
(ignore the pattern 1 in this photo from my Atmos setup, should read Pattern 2 for my DTS:X scene)


Hit Save, or just hold the scene button you want to use on the remote for 3 seconds


Repeat all those same steps for Atmos
but this time using Speaker Pattern 1 (with presence speakers changed to Overhead)
and setup my Scene 2 slot and rename it "Atmos".



Note the visual designation in the GUI now shows Overhead ceiling speakers.




Don't forget, You must go into the Load section and click the Details tab for each Scene,
Check the Speaker Setup box and make sure you are using the correct pattern for Overhead/Height






Hit save, or just hold the scene button on the remote for 3 seconds.

Done!

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A couple weeks after install, I'm in Atmos Heaven, Totally impressed!
We've watched a dozen different Atmos blurays, and a few non-Atmos blurays using the Dolby Surround Upmixer.

Last night was Gravity (Diamond Luxe Edition) in Dolby Atmos 7.4.4 on the 120" screen Amazing!



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Mad Max Fury Road is still my all around favorite though, number 1 go to Demo material for Guests!
... close second was "In the Heart of the Sea" for the totally immersive Atmos Audio experience.
Best concert, hands down ...in any format, Roger Waters The Wall

Sunday morning chillin' in the man-cave having my morning coffee with
Dire Straights: Brothers in Arms on SACD , RX-A3050 in Pure Direct Mode
...ahhhh what a way to start the day!







...on deck, Pink Floyd DSOTM on SACD ...life is Good!





Slow Progress is better than no progress....all 4 track lights are finally up.



That's enough work for one day

Then I hooked up the ol' PS3 that's been sitting collecting dust since I got the PS4 Black Friday
...and recalled that I had Pink Floyd "The Wall" CD burned onto to the hard drive.

So played it ,expanding it to 11 channel stereo mode on the new Yamaha,
along with the PS3 visualizer, one of my first demo's when I firsts hooked up projector/screen in 2008.
I guess watching Gravity last night must have influenced my decision to run it again for old time sake.















Ahhh Sunday...Best Day of the Week!

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Love your theater. Also like that you look at the value proposition.
You have given me some ideas with the dark fabric and the stapling vs. frame application.

On the DSD direct, what disc spinner do you have, and have you tested for the unexpected 10 dB base boost with the disc spinner/Yamaha combination? I ask because I may get an RXA2050 to support a future Atmos setup and I would like to try DSD over HDMI.

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SACD's were played on my Sony BDP-S5100 Bluray player, no bass issues at all.
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Great setup.

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I'm still in the process of planning the ceiling and pretty much settled on a staggered depth panel effect
ala Landshark1's wall pattern (link to his build near the top of the previous page)



I settled on a 24" x 24" grid to match the joist spacing above, starting centered in the middle
and working my way out to a 8" dropped soffit around the perimeter, all in Black Velvet.
That way the electric drop screen will be hidden in the soffit across the front.



I just need to test fit using a couple different rigid insulation depths, spray glue the velvet, and velcro install.
....failing that experiment I will have to go with custom frames (OSB or Plywood) and stretch and staple method.

..in the meantime I've been expanding my BD collection lately with Dolby Atmos and DTS:X titles,
and while browsing amazon for deals I found about 20 other great flicks from just a year or two ago under $10

But my HD storage is now 2 cases deep, and a cross-stacked hot mess!
along with games for the XBOX One and PS4 to go along with PS3 and XBOX 360 storage.



IKEA to the rescue, yet again!


The old shelves brought back to a neat and tidy single layer deep

Top 3 shelves BD's, 4th down is all HD DVD, Bottom shelf PS3 and XBOX 360 games

...and just around the corner behind that unit,
the new expansion shelves with room to grow in my storage area



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The latest in up-mixers from Dolby Surround and DTS Neural:X
Both work wonders with 7.1 DTS:HD and TrueHD audio BD's
So you don't even need an Atmos/DTS:X track to make use of Height speakers. Awesome!

The latest test for many of us in the Yamaha RX-Ax050 thread noticed very active height channel audio
During the opening scene of Spectre. While there is a fight in the spinning helicopter around the crowded square below,
the audio pans around the entire room upper level speakers quite convincingly by applying Neural:X to the DTS-HD 7.1 track.

I may make the move to 4K soon (or should I say Faux-K) with an E-Shift 4K JVC
...for now I'm happy with my 8 y/o Epson 1080UB/120" screen and 7.4.4 audio.

I have over 20 Atmos Titles so far, and 3 DTS:X ...all 1080P Bluray's
but some of the non-Atmos BD's are quite immersive with active height speakers enabled.

Spectre











One of my all time favorites, Oblivion
...will likely be THEE Movie that will force my hand to upgrade to 4K UHD/Atmos (release August 9 2016)














Last Night I started watching The Hateful Eight, but stopped when I noticed its almost 3 hours long,
Fantastic quality on 70mm film and ultra-wide screen 2.67:1 format is gorgeous, audio is 5.1 DTS-HD





Sorry for the poor photo quality, I didn't use my usual screen-shot camera,
...just snapped with my Samsung smart-phone.

This one turned out pretty good though...




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Hey PioManic, you're going to have one hell of an awesome room when you finish it.

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Thanks Joe,

It's getting close now, wow 8 years sure went by fast!

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Thanks Joe,

It's getting close now, wow 8 years sure went by fast!

8 Years! That sounds like my last project. I made the mistake of buying slightly old equipment then, thinking that I'd be into the room within months....Years later, the slightly old equipment is outdated. Your pictures look awesome, though.

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Well I got my yard work done early today, and the little woman went out shopping,
So for me that usually means hit the basement man-cave for a beer (or three)
and crank up an afternoon matinee concert bluray and push my system a little harder than usual

Today's Blu was Metallica Through the Never
DTS-HD Master Audio 7.1, Neural:X up-mixed to 7.4.4 audio .... AWESOME!















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Picked up a TFA SteelBook Bluray from BestBuy at noon today



....and Just got home....



From what I've seen so far it looks Awesome at 9 feet wide in 1080p
and Sounds Fantastic with the DTS:HD MA 7.1 up-mixed with Neural:X to 7.4.4















The LFE is definitely NOT filtered either!



Limited Edition Steel Books are all from Best Buy

I've added quite a few recently, I cant resist when they go on sale
Just picked up all four Jurassic steel books at $9.99 ea




















...and yes, I'm a Lego nerd

The Dark Knight Tumbler


The Lego Movie Sea Cow


More Lego around the corner...Lord of the Rings collection

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Very cool thread with very cool stuff in it (films and music concerts).

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Can you tell a significant difference between applying Neural:X to a non-Atmos non-DTS:X track and applying the Dolby upmixer to the same? If so, is it better in your opinion or just different?
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Can you tell a significant difference between applying Neural:X to a non-Atmos non-DTS:X track and applying the Dolby upmixer to the same? If so, is it better in your opinion or just different?
I'm using Neural:X for everything now,
.... Except native Atmos/DTS:X blurays

Height Speaker configuration with Height Speaker designation in the RX-A3050
Much more activity in the presence speakers than with the Dolby Surround Upmixer.
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I'm using Neural:X for everything now,
.... Except native Atmos/DTS:X blurays

Height Speaker configuration with Height Speaker designation in the RX-A3050
Much more activity in the presence speakers than with the Dolby Surround Upmixer.
And stereo I would guess (given the center channel distortion bug - unless that has been fixed?)

You are just trying to make me regret getting the refurbed 3040 aren't you?

The DSU sounds good to me. I'll just enjoy for now and wait to see what happens. I've got a Denon in another room that has DTS:X, but only max 5.2.1. I haven't even done the update yet ... or checked recently to see if it has been released.
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And stereo I would guess (given the center channel distortion bug - unless that has been fixed?)

You are just trying to make me regret getting the refurbed 3040 aren't you?

The DSU sounds good to me. I'll just enjoy for now and wait to see what happens. I've got a Denon in another room that has DTS:X, but only max 5.2.1. I haven't even done the update yet ... or checked recently to see if it has been released.

For Stereo music sources I prefer 9ch Stereo + Enhancer
Mostly for Net Radio, and it plays on all 11 speakers without issue.

SACD's and some concerts I prefer to use Pure Direct mode.

Roy Orbison Black and White Night
on my old Toshiba HD DVD player with DolbyTrueHD 5.1 in Pure Direct mode




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Just read all 9 pages.

Great setup. Looking forward to what you do later on.
Hopefully when I move into my own home, I will have the space for a HT room like you....

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Yes, a most interesting read indeed!

And the RX-V3900 is working fine as a "power amp" for the height/presence channels? No problems with low or high input levels?

I am planning for an Atmos/DTS:X setup but if I could resuse my current receiver for the extra channels it would be a great cost saver (it has a 7.1 multi channel input) and plenty of power.
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Yup,

The old AVR works awesome as a 4 channel power amp. (rated 140w/ch)
The New RX-A3050 is rated at 150w/ch driving the 7 bed layer (ear level) speakers
...and 4 subs handle the <80Hz frequencies with 2400 watts total (4800w peak/dynamic)

I really like that the new AVR overall design/esthetics have not changed much over the last 10 years.

In fact my first Flagship Yamaha was "Almost" an RX-Z11
Yamaha's first 11 channel AVR way back in 2008.

The Z11 was way ahead of its time, nearly a decade before Atmos/DTS:X.
the Beast had all the goodies and weighed in at ~80lbs

It had 11 internal amps (7x140w + 4x50w for presence speakers)
I even had enough speakers ready to go....but the Z11 was $5k back then.








The ONLY thing that "sort of" bugged me on the new Yamaha was the front panel display LED's switched from Amber to White
and were a little too bright even on the lowest dimmer setting when my lights were all off for the projector ...



But I stumbled on a quick fix for that at the Party City Store
http://www.partycity.ca/product/oran...ass_redirect=1



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Before/After






RX-V3900 on the left


RX-A3050 on the right


RX-A3050 after


The "plan" was to use a dremel to cut a couple 7" x 2" panels from the container
...then use a couple more pieces to do the same for my HD-DVD, Bluray players, and my Cable Box.


I have yet another older Yamaha RX-V1800 that I'm going to use for another zone (upstairs living room)
Currently residing under my popcorn machine (temporary), the switched outlets on the back turn my floor lamps off/on


remote code set to #2 in the advanced menu
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Yup,

The old AVR works awesome as a 4 channel power amp. (rated 140w/ch)
The New RX-A3050 is rated at 150w/ch driving the 7 bed layer (ear level) speakers
...and 4 subs handle the <80Hz frequencies with 2400 watts total (4800w peak/dynamic)

I really like that the new AVR overall design/esthetics have not changed much over the last 10 years.

In fact my first Flagship Yamaha was "Almost" an RX-Z11
Yamaha's first 11 channel AVR way back in 2008.

The Z11 was way ahead of its time, nearly a decade before Atmos/DTS:X.
the Beast had all the goodies and weighed in at ~80lbs

It had 11 internal amps (7x140w + 4x50w for presence speakers)
I even had enough speakers ready to go....but the Z11 was $5k back then.
....
Now that is very good news! I have the old Pioneer flagship SC-09TX/SC-LX90 a.k.a. known as the "Susano". 10 x 140 W. It can bi-amp all the three front channels in a 7.1 configuration. Using the multichannel inputs I could potentially continue to drive my three front channels using the Susano in bi.amp mode and use the Yamaha for all the other 8 channels. Or bi-amp just the left and right channels using the Yamaha and using the Susano for all for the height channels. Potentially the newer Yamaha should sound better.

I need to visit my local dealer for a chat as soon as work permits
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I was cleaning out old boxes in my storage area when I found a 3 y/o
order from monoprice that I totally forgot about LOL



http://www.monoprice.com/product?c_i...seq=1&format=2




The idea is to split the Front/Rear AVR sub outs into Pairs (which I've already done)
Then each sub was to get a Y splitter to feed both input jacks on the Velodyne subs.
(currently using cheap cables, crappy connectors, and using the LFE input only)



Some Velodyne subs reportedly respond better when using both input jacks so I always wanted to try it out
...well long story short it DOES make a difference! and I had to reduce the sub level in the AVR -5dB.
I also changed the Front/Rear Sub designation to MonoX2 because playing 2 channel music shut the rear sub channel off.



The subs max gain level is 99 and I have them set at just 33
and I'm hitting 80dB with peaks around 95dB when the AVR is playing at just -20.

Yesterday I found yet another 15" DLS-5000R on kijiji that I picked up for just $250
Maybe I'll try to sneak it upstairs in my zone 2 or try to find one more and replace both my front 12's

I wired it into my system temporarily just to make sure it worked,
because I never tested it before buying, figured it was a cheap enough gamble.



The specs on many of the websites state its 600watt/1200peak
but its really substantially more according to curt c from Velodyne:

He said the amp in the DLS-5000R is actually from the SPL series ($2500-$3000 msrp)
So the DLS-5000R appears to be a huge step above the rest of the DLS series 3500/3750/4000 (8"/10"/12")
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Hi,
There was never a change to the DLS-5000R amplifier. It was always the SPL amplifier and it is 1000 Watts and 2000 peak. In the beginning there were mistakes made by some, as to it's rating and some websites have never been corrected.
Thanks,
Curt (928) 858-4430 or curt@velodyne.com
SPL specs....


I know my little DPS12's are only 200 watts rms each (with a 400 dynamic),
Seems the DLS 8's 10's and 12's use Class A/B amps (like the DPS series) and the 15" DLS uses a Class D,
same as the SPL series which makes the DLS-5000R a great bargain when you can find a used one for $250.



My Dual 15" DLS-5000R near field Kidney Pounders right behind the center seat.
Monster Power Center on top, and my laptop.






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Hey, just went through your thread today and enjoyed reading your theater build as it has progressed over the years. I too have a Epson projector that just won't quit, but I waited until the 3010 came out to purchase a 1080P model. Still have a 720P Epson HC400 in the closet for a backup with an extra bulb for both projectors. Last I checked I had over 12,000 hours on the 3010 a few months ago. Mine did start shutting down like yours did and I had to replace the filter, no amount of cleaning would bring it back. Probably good idea to buy a new filter each time you replace the bulb.


You mentioned that your old Yamaha 3900 had macro functionality on the remote, does the 3050 do macro, and do the macros work with the mobile app? Like say I wanted to power up the TV, power on the AVR, Power on the satellite, and switch to the correct input with a single button. Then I want to watch a movie, so, power down satellite, power down TV, power up projector, power up Blu-Ray, and swap to appropriate input with a single button. Finally power down everything with a single button. Would something like this be possible with either the remote or the mobile app?

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Hey, just went through your thread today and enjoyed reading your theater build as it has progressed over the years. I too have a Epson projector that just won't quit, but I waited until the 3010 came out to purchase a 1080P model. Still have a 720P Epson HC400 in the closet for a backup with an extra bulb for both projectors. Last I checked I had over 12,000 hours on the 3010 a few months ago. Mine did start shutting down like yours did and I had to replace the filter, no amount of cleaning would bring it back. Probably good idea to buy a new filter each time you replace the bulb.


You mentioned that your old Yamaha 3900 had macro functionality on the remote, does the 3050 do macro, and do the macros work with the mobile app? Like say I wanted to power up the TV, power on the AVR, Power on the satellite, and switch to the correct input with a single button. Then I want to watch a movie, so, power down satellite, power down TV, power up projector, power up Blu-Ray, and swap to appropriate input with a single button. Finally power down everything with a single button. Would something like this be possible with either the remote or the mobile app?
Ya my old Epson will be ready for bulb number 6 in a few months, also about 12k hours so far
hoping it will make it to the Fall when the new JVC's are released, then grab a discounted 2015 RS400 model.

I'm not aware if the old 3900's remote would work with the mobile app,
I never utilized the 3900's network functions at all the whole time I had it, never even updated the firmware on it.

I do have a freebie android app (Peel-Smart Remote) that controls most of the gear in my home that the Yamaha AV app doesn't.
But I "think" you have to buy the premium version for macro ability. If you're an apple person, I think iRule might be a good option for you.
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Ya my old Epson will be ready for bulb number 6 in a few months, also about 12k hours so far
hoping it will make it to the Fall when the new JVC's are released, then grab a discounted 2015 RS400 model.

I'm not aware if the old 3900's remote would work with the mobile app,
I never utilized the 3900's network functions at all the whole time I had it, never even updated the firmware on it.

I do have a freebie android app (Peel-Smart Remote) that controls most of the gear in my home that the Yamaha AV app doesn't.
But I "think" you have to buy the premium version for macro ability. If you're an apple person, I think iRule might be a good option for you.

I have a harmony remote that does all the macros for me, but it would be nice if the AVR could do it instead. I used to have a Sony AVR back in the mid 90's that would do it, the front of it had a truncated pyramid sticking out that would blast out IR signals. You just had to tell it what equipment you had or program it with the original remote. Everything was on screen and the remote looked like an egg with a control stick and volume buttons. It was great until the amp section crapped out when my brother turned it off and cranked the volume all the way up instead of all the way down. Next time it powered up it was loud as hell for a few seconds and shut down never to play again. I've been looking for something with similar functionality since, but nothing seems to get it right like that model did. The harmony works well, but it relies on the user pointing at the equipment until all the IR codes go through which does not happen sometimes and the family gets frustrated and confused, lol.


That is a nice setup you have there, you did a great job on the room and picking out the décor. How is the dual bookshelf speakers working out as a center channel? I had thought of doing this at one time with a couple of Infinity studio monitors, but didn't think it would sound right and ended up just using one. That's a crazy amount of speakers you have stacked around the room!

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That is a nice setup you have there, you did a great job on the room and picking out the décor. How is the dual bookshelf speakers working out as a center channel? I had thought of doing this at one time with a couple of Infinity studio monitors, but didn't think it would sound right and ended up just using one. That's a crazy amount of speakers you have stacked around the room!
Haha, you noticed the fake center, not many do.

Waaaay back then, at first Mission didn't make very good center channel speakers that matched the towers.
I think it was an after thought when many companies were just breaking into home theater they were late to the game.
I was never able to track one down after they were discontinued. The only one I found was in the lower right corner here:



I did a little research and quickly figured out the M32i Bookshelf units would be better timbre matched
with identical specs to their 33i,34i,35i Floor Standers with exact same size drivers and tweeters and power requirements.
Just one of them is currently wired, the other is just a spare to complete the look as a fake center speaker.

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Haha, you noticed the fake center, not many do.

Waaaay back then, Mission didn't make very good center channel speakers that matched the towers.
I think it was an after thought when many companies were just breaking into home theater they were late to the game.



I did a little research and quickly figured out the M32i Bookshelf units would be better timbre matched
with identical specs to their 33i,34i,35i Floor Standers with exact same size drivers and tweeters and power requirements.
Just one of them is currently wired, the other is just a spare to complete the look as a fake center speaker.

Ahh, I see, got to keep everything symmetrical. At least you got everything from the same company and timbre matched. I believe the Infinities I mentioned were bought back in 94 or 95, don't think there was a matching center channel to them. I unloaded my Infinity SM 125 floor standers to my Dad and he already had 4 matching Infinity bookshelf speakers, so we ended up using two in the back and one as a center in their theater room. I set them up with a 145 inch screen painted on the wall and $50 garage find dolby digital AVR and they were set.


You need to just put the other Velodyne sub behind the third seat, that way each seat has it's own near field sub...symmetry

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How long did it take you to build that Tumbler Lego set?

Looking good! I love personality added in. I have seen very few home theaters that I did not like but also very few where there was more to it than speakers, padding and chairs. It's nice to see your collection and collectibles on display.

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