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As is the way of the world, all good things must end, and some of them can't end soon enough. Eventually, even the mold remediation astronauts and basement moisture specialists ran out of things to charge us for and left us alone with our demolished rooms (and budgets). Alas, poor hanesian, I knew him well.

Here is the completed bathroom / sauna area, with the sump pump pit cover visible. If you look closely you'll also see the discharge pipe from the sump pump in the corner going up the wall and out of the house.



Here's the view of the sump discharge line exiting the house.



The Wailing Wall, with new window.



The bathroom area, showing the new and relocated plumbing.



The long view of the Wailing Wall, from the laundry room through the rec room.


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Careful readers (both of you) will recall earlier mention of the mold issue also affecting our main floor bathroom. So even though this thread will focus mainly on the basement, I feel like I can't completely ignore briefly documenting my pain and anguish with the main bathroom demolition and rebuild.

Briefly, the problem was limited to the area behind and beneath the old shower, which was original to the 65-ish year old house. There was no big leak, but there had been some sort of slow leak, as evidenced by water seepage and mold grown in the basement ceiling beneath the bathroom.

Our first inclination was to simply rip out the tiled shower, repair as needed the framing underneath, replace the plumbing, and re-tile. However, once they began tearing walls apart, it became painfully obvious that the extent of the mold growth was such that we would need to demo entire sections of the walls and floor. Before we knew it we were in for a total gutting and rebuild of the entire bathroom.

Here are a few before photos so you can see the classic 1940s pink tile bathroom style.






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Soon the bathroom, like the basement, was taken over by astro-mold-nauts in their silly suits and containment areas and exhaust fans.



Here's a view of the shower area after mold remediation. Notice that large sections of both the floor and the adjacent wall had to be completely removed.



Here's a view of the wall behind the shower that used to separate the bathroom from my youngest daughter's room. Now, instead of a wall, all that remains is the plastic barrier, because the wall was covered with mold.



Here's the view from the opposite side, looking from my daughter's room back towards what used to be the wall separating her room from the bathroom.



Another shot showing more of how much of the floor itself, and the framing as well, had to be cut out to get rid of the mold.



Finally, a view from the hallway showing the small part of the wall in that direction that had to be sacrificed to the mold gods.


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Eventually pretty much everything in the bathroom, including the floor, had to be demolished, with the help of a jack hammer. They sure built stuff to last back in the good old days!!







That leveler you see would be lying on the basement floor below.


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Since the main bathroom was removed from service until the end of time, or until it was rebuilt (whichever comes first), and the basement bathroom (such as it was) was completely destroyed and so M.I.A., we found our little family a wee bit short on bathroom facilities.

Did I mention that 2 of our 3 kids are teenage daughters?

I'll spare you more bathroom (non-theater) photos, but we quickly added a shower to our upstairs bath, which previously had only a bathtub but no shower. It wasn't pretty, and it was crowded, but at least we had a place to shower.

It's amazing how such seemingly little things can make you so happy once you are without them for a few days.

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Got Putty?



You might as well put a trail of cheese up to that gap around the pipe.
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You might as well put a trail of cheese up to that gap around the pipe.

Yeah, I hear ya, BIG! Actually, this was pipe was sealed with not only putty but a cover and everything, and actually feeds into another PVC pipe that runs underground about 20 feet away from the house. I just didn't include a photo of the finished product. I'm better with a camera than I am with a hammer so I have far more photos than I've included here, but I don't want to overwhelm folks. If you're really interested I can post a photo of the finished product.

I hope you'll visit my build thread periodically, especially when I get through the demo part and into the build of the HT itself. I've read enough threads here to know how your insight and advice can be invaluable. I would really welcome any thoughts you have.

Of course, I'll never come close to your amazing build. I was shaking my head in awe when I read your entire thread. Only a native Minnesotan could have pulled something like that off!

BTW, did you hear that Hopkins H.S. won the state HS basketball tourney last night? Aren't you from Hopkins originally?

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July 2008

After about 6 weeks of tearing stuff apart for mold remediation and waterproofing strategies, it was a very welcome milestone when we could finally start BUILDING something at last!

First up to bat, in a very long batting order, is the basement bathroom. Our basic plan here is to replace the old moldy, grungy bathroom that had (beside lots and lots of mold) a toilet and a sink, neither of which worked very well, and generally go from the very unfinished, painted concrete floors and cinder block walls to a nicely appointed bathroom with a new shower added.

As a bonus, we decided to add a small sauna in the corner off the bath, which used to be sort of an inefficient storage area, although we won't actually be starting on the sauna build part until much further along in the construction process. I love my saunas, but it is still at the end of the priority & build list.

So the basement bathroom is first on the list, with the aim of getting that bathroom - and the shower in particular - in operation as soon as possible to take some pressure off the upstairs bathroom, since the main bath is in a state of total destruction right now after the mold guys did their thing.

First, here is a view from back near the furnace (visible on the left) looking towards the wall where we will have the bath (on the left) and sauna (on the right). You can also see the framing beginning and the new plumbing running across the ceiling.



The open area on the right in the corner is where the sauna will go, and the framing mainly surrounds the new shower. You can also see the new cement in the floor from re-running new plumbing lines for the toilet and shower. With the plumbing issues we had with the old plumbing being part of the cause of the mold, we weren't going to mess around with reusing that old plumbing. Virtually all of the plumbing to this area and the main bath (directly above) is being completely replaced.



A view from where the sink will be looking into the shower stall. To the left of the shower will be a small entry way going into the sauna. You might notice that the sump pump pit lies exactly in this entry area. I've designed a nice way to keep access to this while hiding it. More on that later in the build.


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A couple quick shots showing the old and new plumbing in the basement ceiling, directly under the main floor bath showing the new sub floor following the total demolition that was needed. Note the old pipe that has been cut off and replaced by the PVC pipe of the left.



And here's a closer view of that old pipe showing the build up that took place over the course of over 60 years. Ugh.


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In our continuing quest to be able to once again function in a more-or-less normal manner following more than a month of making do, we also moved quickly to get the washer and dryer hooked up and working again.



Those really paying attention (and I can't blame the rest of you) may notice that we also relocated the position of the washer/dryer. That one was the wife's call. Works for me.

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August 2008

After a couple months of dealing with this project, and with the end of the project nowhere in sight, it was a welcome relief to go on vacation for a couple of weeks. First was a long planned family reunion in California, followed by our annual family week at a rustic resort in the backwoods of northern Wisconsin.

Back now, with batteries recharged and ready to get after it!

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Returned from vacation to find that several of the fixtures we had ordered for the new rebuilt main bathroom upstairs had not been delivered, as well as the toilet for the basement bath.

I hate unnecessary delays. I much prefer the delays that I cause, so that I can rationalize them away as unimportant. When other people are to blame, I suddenly wonder how they can be so stupid.

Only I am allowed to make stupid mistakes. Everyone else must be perfect.

So let it be written. So let it be done!


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Aren't you from Hopkins originally?

class of 68.
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I knew I liked you. You're one of the few people I encounter nowadays that is actually older than me (ever so slightly).

Do you happen to remember if Al Godfrey the hockey coach while you were there? I knew him from some hockey camps I went to as a youngster.

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Slow but steady progress on the basement bath. The room starts to take shape.




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I hope you have plans to keep the shuffle boards. Many would kill to have something like that in their basement.
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Found his picture in my yearbook he was the varsity coach. Our paths didn't cross.
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I hope you have plans to keep the shuffle boards. Many would kill to have something like that in their basement.

Are you serious?

This linoleum floor is part of the original circa 1960s rec room, and for the life of me I can only assume that back in the day people actually used that to play shuffle board. In fact, the house also came with the shuffle board "pucks" (if that is what they are called) and a couple wooden sticks that you use to push the pucks with. Still have them all in storage, but haven't used them and have no plans to.

First is the fact that there is only maybe 15' at the most separating the triangles (or whatever you call the things with the points on them that you aim at), once you take a step or two away from the wall so that you have the room to push the puck. So it takes a very light touch to score. I'd compare it to playing ping pong on a miniature table - you can do it, but it's an odd thing.

When the kids messed with them they ended up just getting crazy and zinging them as hard as they could to see how far they would bounce off the walls. So we packed it all up and stuck it in the storage room.

But the bigger problem for us is that the shuffle board "court" is smack dab in the middle of our rec room, so it's either that or furniture and a TV. It didn't take me long to make that decision, and once this groovy old 60's knotty pine rec room is converted into a nice family room / home theater area, I will have even less interest in letting that shuffle board tail wag this puppy.

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Found his picture in my yearbook he was the varsity coach. Our paths didn't cross.

Figured it couldn't hurt to ask. I played a lot of hockey as a kid so even though I didn't go to Hopkins (Mpls West) I got to know him a bit. He was a good coach.

Reading the sports page this morning I also noticed I was a bit premature when I said that Hopkins had won the state basketball tournament a few days ago. They actually won it last night.

As I said, I've always followed hockey and not really basketball, so I wasn't exactly paying very close attention to the bucket stories.

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September 2008

Some progress on the basement bathroom - the drywall goes up. Photos blurry for some reason, but I'm sure you get the general idea.





This one skips the taping and mudding and jumps right to the painting.


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And the door from the bathroom into the sauna finally arrives. In my last sauna my buddy and I built the door ourselves, but I learned my lesson from that and bought a proper sauna door this time.



And here it is hung, looking at it from inside the bathroom. This shot gives a sneak preview of the removable, snap together redwood floor tiles for the entry to the sauna. This will allow us to keep easy access to the sump pump, which is hidden underneath these tiles, and also help with transitioning between the sauna and the bathroom.


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Enough bathrooms for a bit! Just wanted to remind myself what this thread is supposed to be about - Home Theater! So I'll take down my curlers, take off my apron and talk turkey (just as soon as I finish my nails. BTW, do you think this color make my butt look big?).

OK, manicure all done, so here is a list of the equipment I have considering buying as and when the room is ready for use (the day before hell freezes over). I figure by that time I'll be able to pick up the stuff that is just hitting the market now at a garage sale for a buck. .

First, remember that I am starting from scratch - with a decade + old 24" SD TV and VCR - and that the majority of my budget has been mercilessly and unavoidably diverted towards mold remediation, waterproofing and multiple bathroom renovations that was needed as a result of all that lovely mold.

So I'm aiming for a nice but modest set up to get up and going, with the consolation of knowing I'll just have to gradually upgrade over time to get to where I'd like to be. Feedback / suggestions welcomed!

Is that enough of a wussy disclaimer for you? Good, here we go:

Projector
Nothing yet.
Looking for a good value 720p (maybe $1,000 -ish ballpark) pj with decent lens shift and brightness, perhaps the Panasonic AX-200u.
EDIT: Bought the Epson HC8100 - nice value 1080p pj.

AVR
Nothing yet.
Want a 7.1 with several HDMI capability and the ability to play the latest audio codecs, with a budget of roughly $500; currently eyeballing the Denon 1909.
EDIT: Bought the next year version of the AVR I was looking at, the Denon 790.

Speakers
This is really the only area where I've already made some progress/purchases. Went with Mirage speakers, as I love the omnipolar sound and I think the broader soundstage will work well in this room where the seating is likely to be rather widely disbursed. I've already bought everything but the rear surrounds:
L/Rs - OMD-5s,
CC - OMD-C1
Surrounds - Omni V2s
Rear Surrounds - none yet (probably 2 more V2s) EDIT: As planned, bought a couple more V2s for surrounds.
Sub - Outlaw LFM-1 Compact.

Blu-ray Player
Nothing yet and no real idea either.
I'm assuming a dedicated player rather than a PS 3, mainly because I have no real interest in video gaming. (Yep, part of the pre-video game generation, unless you count Pac man and the like). Don't necessarily need latest and greatest player, but want good quality video/audio that will play HD and SD discs and if possible something that has the BD Live capability of downloading programs over the internet like Netflix, etc.
EDIT: Bought the Sony N460 for a song.

Screen
Nothing yet.
Going to at least start with an electric retractable screen, since as I said the room will not be dedicated to HT, but still want as large a screen as we can make work. I'm thinking somewhere in the area of 110 - 120"' 16:9. Currently looking at a FocuPix Electric at roughly $250 - $350.
EDIT: Ended up switching rooms, so no fiddling with retractable screens; just did a DIY painted wall for a screen.

That's it. How about some component feedback for this clueless old fart??


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Some shots of the basement bath as we enter the home stretch to completion ... at least of THIS bathroom!

The new tile floor (with heat mat) and toilet are in and done.



View from the entry door looking at the shower. Just beyond the shower wall is the little entryway to the sauna.



Vanity installed.



View from inside the sauna looking back into the bathroom. Note the sump pump access panel in floor.



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I think you're going to fit in very well here...especially with the likes of Staffy, RPhDrew, and Logan.

Yes, you'll do nicely.

Great build thread so far! Talk about jumping in with both moldy feet. There are those of us who are only doing an HT and then there are those....that are doing their whole house.

I couldn't imagine how much that mold remediation ran!

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Looks like hard work.

Can I make a recommendation before you go any farther? Take a night off and go to a freinds house who has a home theater, or at least a DVD player and watch the movie "The Money Pit". It'll be good for a laugh, or a cry, and provide some comic relief.

Good Luck!!

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Yes, you'll do nicely.

Great build thread so far! Talk about jumping in with both moldy feet. There are those of us who are only doing an HT and then there are those....that are doing their whole house.

I couldn't imagine how much that mold remediation ran!

Thanks. I've certainly enjoyed plenty of laughs while learning a lot reading through your thread as well as all of the other guys' you mentioned. Well, except Logan's of course. How can anyone enjoy that slow motion ship wreck?! (Just kidding, Tom, I couldn't resist taking another shot while I was here on this unpopular thread, where I didn't even have to resort to hijacking to insult you! And you thought I was just a one trick pony!)

I was very content to toil on in blissful annonymity, and would surely still have been doing so, if I hadn't started to feel the heat of a couple others calling me and/or others out for giving people crap without having an active build thread (bwcafishing & RPh Drew, to name a couple). Faced with the choice between going through the hassle of putting up a build thread and getting crap for it or keeping my mouth shut on other's threads, I opted for the path of least resistance and threw up this thread.

I figure that gives me carte blanche now. Whatever that is.

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Looks like hard work.

Can I make a recommendation before you go any farther? Take a night off and go to a freinds house who has a home theater, or at least a DVD player and watch the movie "The Money Pit". It'll be good for a laugh, or a cry, and provide some comic relief.

Good Luck!!

Thanks. I just might do that some time, if I can stay awake long enough into the evening to watch an entire movie! Between my job, my family and (especially) this house I am running on fumes. And they're not even the good smelling kind!

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WOw is all I can say.....mold sucks. I never knew (or maybe I did I just choose to look the other way when thinking about it) that mold could spread this bad and cause so many problems excuse me man maybe I should....naw never mind LETS TALK THEATER!!!!

Things are looking sweeet there. New bathrooms=happy wife New theater room=happy husband!! Things look real good I am faithfully watching AND READING!!! As for components I am on a similar page as you there. I am going to go with that same pj as all the research and question asking i have done its the one I decided on. All reviews on it are EXCELLENT. And the lens shift is unmatched with other PJ's in its price range. I also went with a Denon AVR...the 988 as you get more bang for the buck. I picked one up refurbed about a month or so ago for $400....that my friend is a $1200 msrp receiver for $400. Deal? I think so!!! And blu ray players I JUST picked up our first unit last week. The Samsung bdp-1500 its not the top of the line but its a dedicated player and works for the job. So thats all my input here.

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WOw is all I can say.....mold sucks. I never knew (or maybe I did I just choose to look the other way when thinking about it) that mold could spread this bad and cause so many problems excuse me man maybe I should....naw never mind LETS TALK THEATER!!!!

Things are looking sweeet there. New bathrooms=happy wife New theater room=happy husband!! Things look real good I am faithfully watching AND READING!!! As for components I am on a similar page as you there. I am going to go with that same pj as all the research and question asking i have done its the one I decided on. All reviews on it are EXCELLENT. And the lens shift is unmatched with other PJ's in its price range. I also went with a Denon AVR...the 988 as you get more bang for the buck. I picked one up refurbed about a month or so ago for $400....that my friend is a $1200 msrp receiver for $400. Deal? I think so!!! And blu ray players I JUST picked up our first unit last week. The Samsung bdp-1500 its not the top of the line but its a dedicated player and works for the job. So thats all my input here.

Thanks. I wouldn't wish this whole mold thing on my worst enemy. Well, maybe my worst enemy I would, but no one else!

Tha sounds like a great deal you got on the 988 - that is even more AVR than I thought about for about the same price. Where did you get yours?

I am also trying to decide if the whole volume thing control on the latest models is worthwhile. I've read mixed reviews, but I would definitely pay a premium to get that capability for TV / commercial sound blasting reasons. I'd just hate to pay a premium and not be satisfied with the result.

BTW, I've enjoyed your build thread, especially all the work you've done on your bar and the copper top. No bar build for me - I'll be satisfied just to make it to a basic media room at my pace!

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Thanks. I wouldn't wish this whole mold thing on my worst enemy. Well, maybe my worst enemy I would, but no one else!

Tha sounds like a great deal you got on the 988 - that is even more AVR than I thought about for about the same price. Where did you get yours?

I am also trying to decide if the whole volume thing control on the latest models is worthwhile. I've read mixed reviews, but I would definitely pay a premium to get that capability for TV / commercial sound blasting reasons. I'd just hate to pay a premium and not be satisfied with the result.

BTW, I've enjoyed your build thread, especially all the work you've done on your bar and the copper top. No bar build for me - I'll be satisfied just to make it to a basic media room at my pace!


I got mine at ecost.com they were running a special on them about a month maybe 2 ago and I decided to go for it. As for the 1909 models or any of this years models (numbers ending in 09) I feel that you can get more bang for your buck if you go with last years models (ending in an 8) unless you want the latest and greatest. I am sure you ahve but if not check out the sub $400 receiver forum here as they talk about ALL the deals on sub 400 and some over 400 models and their respective features or lack thereof

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