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The problem with gluing anything directly to a concrete floor is the mastic when exposed to moisture is it is breeding ground for mold. All concrete allows passage of mositure, the only thing to do is create a barrier between using either XPS, Platon, or Dricore.
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I too went with a laminate "floating" floor over concrete. I used a thick plastic vapor barrier as well as a laminate flooring pad/vapor barrier combo. I think the plastic vapor barrier may have been overkill since the pad that I used had a plastic vapor barrier backing on it but hey is there such a thing as too much when it comes to vapor barriers? I got both the plastic and the pad (with vapor barrier) at Lowes in the laminate/wood flooring section. My results so far are good though the floor has yet to see much traffic well unless you count my 240lb behind lugging across it while trying to finish the basement......lol

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The problem with gluing anything directly to a concrete floor is the mastic when exposed to moisture is it is breeding ground for mold. All concrete allows passage of mositure, the only thing to do is create a barrier between using either XPS, Platon, or Dricore.

Eek! You said the "M" word!! Aaagggghhhh!!! Gluing directly to the concrete is off the table. Now I'm down to either a floating floor over the concrete or going with a subfloor.

I had hoped to avoid the subfloor route but may throw in the towel and just do it. I know the platon route is cheaper than dricore, but judging from other's threads it also involves a lot of effort/hassle in securing it to the floor. Given my (non-existent) handy man skills and tools, I would probably opt for easier route (dricore) even at the expense of ... well, the added expense.

It just never ends, does it?

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It just never ends, does it?

End it could. But for enlightenment? Required it is, to join my students! Smiling, all are they, no? Join them you can, stand under the rock you will.


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Talk sense, you do.



One with the rock, your head is.

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I know the thought of additional time and expense of doing a subfloor is making you queasy and weak in the knees, however I know from experience you won't regret putting it in. You will be very happy you did it. PLUS it does cut down on the potential of that MOLD thing!

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OK, it's been a while since I shared one of my many screw ups ...

As I was in my recent mad dash to finish the HT & laundry room before the drywall guys arrived, I suddenly realized that I almost forgot to pull romex for the planned low voltage trey lights. So, being a veritable electrician by this point, I pull some romex up off of the nearby floor outlet boxes to the logical spot near the ceiling to plug in the low voltage lights, while simultaneously patting myself on the back for thinking of this before the drywall went in the next morning.

You can kind of see one of the two outlets I'm talking about here, in this photo, almost above the entry door.



Fast forward a few days, when I get my electrician to swing by to connect the new circuits to the power panel and do some other odds and ends. He looks over the work I've done - all of which except the trey light outlets were done after reviewing plans with him - and he nods approvingly until he notices the new outlets near the ceiling and asks, "And what are those for?"

I proudly tell him about remembering at the last minute wanting to do the trey lights, and figuring out all by myself at midnight how to just pull power off the floor outlets, waiting for more electriciany praise.

"Ah huh," says he in his best nonchalant, Minnesotan way, as I start primping my tail feathers for my anticipated strut down the electricians' hall of fame runway.

"And where is the switch for it?"



"Switch?!", says I in my best 'you can't fool me, pretending I have a clue' voice, "why in the world would I need a switch for an outlet?!"

"Well, no reason really ... as long as you want them to always be on. Is that what you had in mind for these fancy lights?"



Fortunately, I still have access to the electrical behind the drywall from the laundry room to fix one outlet, but the other outlet will test my nascent wire fishing skills (and I use that term 'skills' very loosely). I figure that will only set me back about a week or so, until I give up and pay my electrician to just come in and do it right.

I can't wait to discover my next screw up!

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I shall call this "Self-Portrait of Hanesian in the Morning Before Coffee"

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Heh, heh...

No switch... Been there done that. You could always say you were planning on using a wireless switch so you could control it with your remote control from anywhere in the room...

I wired my basement with two video cables, one for dish network, and one for my antenna. Plus some cat 5 for later...

But, then I wanted more HD so I switched to direct tv... And their dvr needs 2 cables... Not one...

Always something...
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I shall call this "Self-Portrait of Hanesian in the Morning Before Coffee"

+1.

I just wish I had that much hair!

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Always something...

You're tellin' ME!!



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Sorry about dropping the "M" word on you hans! You can blame Holmes on Homes for that one, I have his book in the "Library" and I had just re-read that section.

Too funny about the Switch, thank god you have access from the other side though!
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Trying to do too much on your own again. We have all followed this thread long enough to know you should never have attempted that electrical on your own...
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Trying to do too much on your own again. We have all followed this thread long enough to know you should never have attempted that electrical on your own...


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Hang in there Hanes, not all of us think your an...............
I'm sure that's happened to more of us than our willing to admit.

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Is that a golf ball, sweet jesus
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Is that a golf ball, sweet jesus

That's classified. If I told you that I'd have to kill you.

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That's classified. If I told you that I'd have to kill you.

With a golf ball perhaps?
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It can't be a golf ball, goof ball maybe... However, after reading this thread for months I'm thinking it's a marshmallow...




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Mike,

Isn't that the new mascot for the Canes?

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Before you start anymore electrical projects, give me a call, and I'll make sure your going in the right direction.



I know, as I've gots "street" knowledge...

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Free,

Too late! Already made some progress on the electrifying front this weekend, although clearly I could have used your "street cred!"

It's hard to capture visible progress with wiring, but here's some proof that I figured out how to wire the HT room receptacles.



I can't take all the credit for this, though. I had a very experienced assistant.



Unfortunately, he - like the rest of the Packer Nation - is now curled in the fetal position trying to recover from their thrashing at the hands of Favre and the Vikes.

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I had hoped to avoid the subfloor route but may throw in the towel and just do it. I know the platon route is cheaper than dricore, but judging from other's threads it also involves a lot of effort/hassle in securing it to the floor. Given my (non-existent) handy man skills and tools, I would probably opt for easier route (dricore) even at the expense of ... well, the added expense.

How did I know I was going to do that?

Phase one dricore materials purchased, hauled down to the guest "bedroom", and ready to go down on the floor. Just need to borrow a saw and find the time ... Here's a shot with about two thirds of the dricore hauled down.



Well, that and buying a new gallon jar of Motrin, as an old hockey injury to my left knee makes doing any flooring a special form of torture.

Thanks guys for talking me into doing a subfloor. I got your numbers now, and I never forget ...

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With light at the end of the build tunnel getting brighter, and in the naive hope that it is not a train heading my way ...



... I began popping for the equipment I'll need to actually use this room as a HT someday. << sob, sniff ... this is such a happy day ... a day I wasn't sure I'd ever live to see ... sniff, sniff >>



Got a Denon 790 AVR and some Niles impedance matching volume controls, which I'll use in conjunction with my Sonos mulit-room music system to bring music to some new rooms (non HT related). These two units will add shared music zones in the laundry room and out on the patio (next summer). If anyone is interested and wants more info on that music stuff let me know and I'll elaborate, but for now I'll try to keep focused on progress with the HT and the build.

(Did I really just use the word "progress" in the same sentence as "build" and "HT" without laughing?! I still got it!! )

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Now for some transformation of the former under-the-stairs storage area into something that begins to be recognizable as a future equipment closet.

To recap a bit: in recent weeks the closet has gone from this



to this



to this. Here's the shot showing closet with all the tools and crap thrown helter-skelter to quickly get them out of the way of the drywall crew. The cables were originally nicely coiled and organized, but while we were away sampling wines in California my dear neices and nephews found their way into there and reorganized things for Uncle Hanes.





Bless their little hearts!

I've since found that an effective way to prevent this happening again, while entertaining the little dibbins at the same time!



OK, where was I before I got distracted with babysitting duties? Ah yes, cleaning up the closet ...

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I'm thinking I may have seen that photo earlier in this long-in-the-tooth thread, but I'll be damned if I'm going to go look for it. Doesn't matter anyway - I've double posted a phot or two on occasion myself. Good stuff deserves a second chance!

As for more child rearing tactics ...


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Presto! By the magic of time lapse photography, the equipment closet is clean and in the process of assuming it's initial state simply using spare tables and such. Fancier equipment racking and such, if any, is reserved for further down the road. Stay tuned ...



The new receiver assumes the position atop the high tech rack coffee table.



And is eventually connected to the front L/R speakers, just so I can test it out and get some music to work by.



And here's the "after" shot, once I finished connecting a few more cables and wires and such.


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OK, where was I before I got distracted with babysitting duties? Ah yes, cleaning up the closet ...

Awesome.... Now that is funny !!!!!

I enjoy following your thread Hanesian...keep it up.

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