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Hello All,

After much deliberation I have finally begun my "officially" finishing my basement. I have spent a fair amount of time lurking and learning in this forum. I want to thank everyone that has posted their builds. This place has definitely given me plenty of ideas and inspirations to build on. I hope that with the assistance of this forum my vision of a home theater/media room can be realized.

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My goal as we started the planning phase was to have the basement complete by the end of 2012. I think this a definitely a realistic and attainable goal. I have arguably marginal handyman skills, but am willing and wanting to learn another skill. It is my intention to complete as much of this build on my own. I am planning on the drywall finishing and possibly hanging to be sub'd out as well as some plumbing.

The basement was completely unfinished with only a load bearing wall framed up. As I write my first post on this thread I am already about 60-70% done with framing (family room, bedroom, craft room). Due to my minimal framing skills I did hire out a framer to install 2 headers in my load bearing wall. For whatever reason the load bearing thing scared me and wanted to be sure that aspect was done right. After watching(videos) and reading and doing my own framing, I could have tackled that project.

The Layout:

See attachment. Not entirely sure if I am posting this right but here goes....Attachment 239183

This is our basement plan that we finalized with the assistance of a architect. I have already begun slight modifications as the framing process is underway. Now the "Family Room/Recreational Area" is the primary focus of my build. My own personal man cave. This area will be a flexible "do-it-all" area. Half of the open room will be my theater/media area, the other half a play area for the kids.

I want a clean look for speakers and general media components. My initial thought was to go all in-wall/in-ceiling for my speakers. After further review my plan now will be to have the L/C/R be a tower/shelf combo with the surrounds and rears being in-wall/in-ceiling.

I want to build a hidden in-wall A/V rack as well as dvd storage/drawers. I will do this under the stairs. The front of the components/drawers will be accessible from the main room, with the closet door in the office providing access to the rear of the components.

It looks like this initial post is a lot more long winded than I had intend, sorry about that fellas. I will be posting more thought as well as pictures soon. I will have PLENTY of questions.

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Since this room will be a multifunctional room, my thoughts are to go with a 60-70 inch LED/plasma TV. I had thought about a projector but I thought lighthing could be an issue. As I am framing I am again considering a projector. Any thoughts on this?

Lighting:\\

I am thinking of ditching the sconce idea and going with smaller can lights around the perimeter of the theater. I would probably move the larger can lights inward just a touch to accomidate this idea. Thoughts?
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Spend some more time reading through alot of tv vs projector threads, as well as looking at other build threads. I have definitely decided to move forward with a projector. I think I definitely have the space to pull it off. I hope to get pictures of the area I will be working with up tonight.
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Couple of things...

Ceiling looks to be 7', correct? Any HVAC ductwork or other obstructions in the theater area? You don't want to hit your head on the projector.

What's above the theater area? I would avoid in-ceiling speakers here as the sound will very easily transfer to the room above. Wall mounted or hanging from the ceiling would be better. And what will the ceiling be? Drywall hopefully.

Putting the A/V gear and DVD storage under the stairs is a good plan. I used glass shelves for my DVD bookshelf and it turned out well.

And yeah, move those wall sconces from the sides of the screen/TV - you don't want any light source on that wall.

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Ceiling looks to be 7', correct? Any HVAC ductwork or other obstructions in the theater area? You don't want to hit your head on the projector.

Unfinished ceiling height is 7'9". There is ductwork that is to the right. It will not have any impact on viewing.

What's above the theater area? I would avoid in-ceiling speakers here as the sound will very easily transfer to the room above. Wall mounted or hanging from the ceiling would be better. And what will the ceiling be? Drywall hopefully.

The area directly above the theater/media area is the kitchen/dining room and some living room. The ceiling will be drywall. I intend to insulate the ceiling.

I was curious about the amount of transfer on in-ceiling speakers. I have been throwing around the idea of building a soffit that would house the rear surrounds as well as provide a shelf mount for a projector.

Putting the A/V gear and DVD storage under the stairs is a good plan. I used glass shelves for my DVD bookshelf and it turned out well.

I am hoping to figure out a way to successfully pull off having the A/V gear hidden behind a poster or autographed jersey frame. I would like to have a couple of pull out drawers for dvd storage that also appears hidden.

And yeah, move those wall sconces from the sides of the screen/TV - you don't want any light source on that wall.

Thanks for confirming that, I was considering doing can lights on the sides. However that was before I decided to make the jump to a projector. Recommendations on lighting placement?

I appreciate your input.
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Ok, here is a couple of photos of the key areas. The first image is of the rec area. The wall noted will be the viewing wall. If i subtract the imaginary hallway I have about 12' wide area. I am guessing seating will be in the 10-12' range.

The second photo is of the under stairs area in which I hope to transform in to a hidden A/V rack with pull out drawers for dvd storage underneath.

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Here are the purposed logistics of my projector set up:

a. Projector: None selected yet, Epson 8350 seems highly regarded though.
b. Ceiling height: 7'9"
c. Screen Size: 100inch
d. Primary Seating: Guessing 11-12ft
e. Projector Mount: Ceiling
f. Screen Height: Top of screen 6inches from ceiling.
g. Throw distance: ~13-14'
h. My Height: 5'8"


I have a question for those projector owners out there that game on the xbox 360 using the kinect. I want to be able to maximize gaming without "shadowing". Given the logistics noted would I be able to play kinect games without casting a shadow on the screen?

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Hey guys,

I have a question regarding lighting. I am working on finalizing my lighting choices. In the floor plan as noted has 8 can lights in the family/rec area. My plan is to go with 6" cans. After reevaluating I have decided to increased this to 10 cans.

The room meansures 15' x 30'. There is a soffit that runs almost the entire length of the room on the right(the wall sharing stairs and office. I will have the lights spaced approximately 5' apart length wise. The lights will be place so width wise the lights are 4' or so from wall, leaving about 6-6.5' between the cans width wise. This width wise measurement is from wall to wall, not soffit to wall.

I will also have four 4 or 5 inch lights running length wise of theater/gaming area for accent lighting.

Will this be enough light?

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Not good. 8 posts and 7 are mine...lol
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Not good. 8 posts and 7 are mine...lol

You just convinced me to add one. It's 9 and 7 now. Personally I like the idea of hiding stuff in a home theater and it's also a great idea for a multi-purpose room. I'm hiding all equipment, DVDs and speakers. The projector is more or less hidden too (can see the projector lens). DVDs (Blu-rays too of course) are in pull-out racks, as well as some behind a movie poster on a hinged door.
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Thanks GI. Framing is completed now. HVAC ducts run as well. Next step is installing electrical boxes, light housings, and electrical. My primary concern at this time is if 10 recessed lights will be enough for general lighting of the 15 x 30 family room.
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My primary concern at this time is if 10 recessed lights will be enough for general lighting of the 15 x 30 family room.

This site may help: http://www.forteelectric.com/Howtolayoutcans.html
Much depends on the spread angle of the light, but your spacing of 5' apart along the length of the room appears to be adequate (even though your ceiling is a little shy of 8' high). OTOH spacing the cans 4' from the nearest wall may be too far. Here's a couple of possible lighting layouts for a 15' x 30' room, but including two ceiling fans: http://www.forteelectric.com/15x30room.html. Curiously, the examples appear to violate the spacing recommendations in the article!

Of course, if you opt for a projector and screen, you'll have to turn all of these lights off when watching movies. Putting groups of them on several dimmers (or a Grafik Eye) would seem smart.
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I actually checked out both those links when googling about every search combo possible. I read about the wall spacing and that is something i am still playing around with.

Definitely going with dimmers. Still considering doing 2 wall sconces on side of projector screen.

I talked with the "electricial" specialist at Lowe's the other day. I discussed my 10 can lights in a 15x30x8 room. He did a quick mock up and thought I would have pretty even light coverage.

I plan to get my spacing and locations finalized tomorrow, might even get some cans up in the ceiling.....I hope.

Appreciate your input GI.
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Got the recessed light housings up. Looks like I will have pretty even light coverage. The picture shown is from the kids "play area" looking towards the future projector screen wall. My first can from the projector wall is about 5'5" so I am thinking I will need to put a sconce on the wall to even out light coverage on the wall.

When I made my measurements (width wise) for placement I based spacing from wall to wall. I did not measure wall to soffit. You see the soffit in the picture it 22" wide and 12" high. Im wondering if this was an error and should have place lights evenly from wall to soffit instead.

The way the lighting is now the "invisible hall/walkway" on the right would be even lit. I could move the lighting on the soffit side in to match the the dimensions on the left. Doing this I would lose light coverage in the walkway.

Am I just over thinking this?
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After some more looking and measuring I am going to move the cans. Will space evenly from wall and soffit. I wont have to make to much of an adjustment, I think I will be happier in the long run.
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Just found your thread after we talked in the screen forum. Any more progress shots along the way? I know the feeling on not getting much traffic through a thread. 80% of the posts in my build are from me too! I keep posting for my own history as well as in hopes something will help someone else.
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What kind of flooring is above the theater/Rec room? Ceramic and Hardwood will transfer sound in an evil way. Insulate well my friend.

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