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post #1 of 19 Old 05-18-2012, 04:44 PM - Thread Starter
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I know this has threads aleady posted, but i couldn't find anything very recent. Does anyone know how to get a reliable live update sports ticker working in their home?
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You looking for the data, or a ticker solution? Be prepared for sticker shock... The sports data feed biz is expensive, as the obvious use is in commerical / gambling settings. I don't think there's anything out there priced for home use ('cause how could they enforce it?)...

http://shopledauthority.com/items/ti...cp7-detail.htm

As for the data, I've looked, but didn't find a free data source. There are ones available for a fee - but that's just the data. Feeding the display ticker is an exercise left to the reader.

livescorefeed.com is one provider. I didn't call any of them for pricing - it appears to be way more expensive that I was willing to pay for in-home usage... Search for "livescore" and you'll get a bunch of sources.

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jautor, thanks for the info. I'm kind of surprised that it's so expensive. I found some displays on ebay for a reasonable price, but i don't know how to get the live feed to them.
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I'm kind of surprised that it's so expensive.

I was too, but thinking about how important the data is for a sports bar / sports betting / casino environment, I understand how it's "worth" hundreds-per-month...

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I just found this posting, but if you are interested, we offer a real-time sports ticker feed with a 6-ft display (or a 4-ft display) for home use for $150/Month. The service is called iCandy and is the same service the Sports and Race Books in Vegas use on their Tickers.

I do appreciate it's beyond the means of most home users, but the service is $150 (with a display capable of showing the same format as you see in Vegas) which is less than the hundreds-per-month figure quoted. Likewise, our scores update in realtime unlike every 15-minutes to an hour the lower cost feeds provide.

If interested, please contact me for more information:
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So singular hundreds, not plural... biggrin.gif

Thanks for the info! If there was any way you could create a model for home use, where there was a "per-hour" fee or "hours per month" limit to make it more affordable for us home users, I think you'd get a lot of takers. I'd be willing to fork out some bucks for a display during my poker nights and any time I had folks over for a sporting event. But since the display would be off 90% of the month, paying for a full time feed is not something I'd be willing to do.

Also, what's the pricing look like for the basic iCandy with the minutes-delayed sports ticker? For my purposes, a few minutes behind live wouldn't be a big deal - but having the live ticker would be really cool...

And can you give us some ballpark (ha!) MSRP pricing on displays that would be suitable for home use?

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Jautor -- The 'Pay per view' concept is an interesting one, but the displays are still the limiting factor. One capable of showing real time (or even couple of minute delayed) sports scores is expensive to design/produce and support. Even if we could produce a suitable display for $1,000, it would take years just to break even if we charged on a per use basis. At this time, the economics are just not there.

Furthermore, with home users (who tend not to be techies), support becomes very difficult. A rep from a company that manufactures very low cost displays (like you see in Pizzeria's) once told us that displays sold through costco/sam's club had an over 50% return rate due to the fact that people who bought them were not technically advanced enough to get them to work.

In regard to our 2-minute delayed sport, feed it is $124.95/Month; Still out of reach for most home users.

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Jautor -- The 'Pay per view' concept is an interesting one, but the displays are still the limiting factor. One capable of showing real time (or even couple of minute delayed) sports scores is expensive to design/produce and support.

Which part? The display or the network connectivity? Because the bill-of-materials cost for a WiFi-enabled system-on-chip board capable of running something like this is sub-$50. Firmware to run that shouldn't be much work given what you've already got - the only hard part is generating the feed - which you already do...
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Even if we could produce a suitable display for $1,000, it would take years just to break even if we charged on a per use basis. At this time, the economics are just not there.

Use a cheap display with either a home-use-only license, some other way to limit it to avoid conflicts with commercial use of the data (time limits, delays,ads, whatever), and if you can get that worked out, there's a market.
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Furthermore, with home users (who tend not to be techies), support becomes very difficult.

Well, yes, something better than a one-year-between-replies is probably necessary... biggrin.gif
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A rep from a company that manufactures very low cost displays (like you see in Pizzeria's) once told us that displays sold through costco/sam's club had an over 50% return rate due to the fact that people who bought them were not technically advanced enough to get them to work.

Sounds like an opportunity. WiFi-based display, web page or mobile app for configuration, subscription / license, etc. and you've got a much simpler product to use...

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Juator, -- if you can design and build an inexpensive display that you are willing sell and support, we will work with you to spec out what we need to deliver a streaming realtime feed to it. The minimum LED Matrix we recommend is 24 pixels high by 256 pixels wide in order to have enough context on the display.

As for a WiFi based system, that's a support nightmare both for initial setup as well as its ongoing operation. But again, if you are interested in designing, building, selling and supporting an inexpensive display (WiFi base or not), please let me know.

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Juator, -- if you can design and build an inexpensive display that you are willing sell and support, we will work with you to spec out what we need to deliver a streaming realtime feed to it. The minimum LED Matrix we recommend is 24 pixels high by 256 pixels wide in order to have enough context on the display.

You want me to build the "razor" so you can sell the "razor blades"? Thanks, but I'll pass...

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Juator -- In all fairness, you are asking us to make a really inexpensive, reliable and supportable razor and charge for the Blades on a per use basis. There are companies that do make inexpensive displays and that sell inexpensive feeds -- it's just not a market that we can compete in while providing a quality service and quality support.

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Juator -- In all fairness, you are asking us to make a really inexpensive, reliable and supportable razor and charge for the Blades on a per use basis. There are companies that do make inexpensive displays and that sell inexpensive feeds -- it's just not a market that we can compete in while providing a quality service and quality support.

No, I'm asking for a reasonably-priced sports ticker feed for in-home use (non-commercial). Whether you build a display solution or just provide the feed for us to DIY a display solution, take your pick.

The PPV idea (which was two years ago, to be fair) I was just throwing out as some way to enable a low-cost, consumer / home use model that wouldn't conflict / cannibalize the commercial product.

The cheapest solution so far has been a TV with ESPN News on...

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The cheapest solution so far has been a TV with ESPN News on...

Give the consumer what they want... 24/7 sport content. Now a days you go to NBA.com have all the news and scores -- go to mlb.com get all the news, and scores -- nfl.com got all the news and scores -- go to nhl.com all the news and scores -- go to formula1.com, yep same. Get the idea :-)

Back in 1996-97 at the beginning of the commercialization of the internet, there was a software, can't remember the name that one can customized with stock, sports, news etc. and it would show up as a scrolling ticker. It wasn't real time but it was very cool since all the info you wanted was there.

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Give the consumer what they want... 24/7 sport content. Now a days you go to NBA.com have all the news and scores -- go to mlb.com get all the news, and scores -- nfl.com got all the news and scores -- go to nhl.com all the news and scores -- go to formula1.com, yep same. Get the idea :-)

Well, yeah, folks have done a number of scraping projects to extract data from sports sites to create their own feed - but that's got a number of problems... Getting that data aggregated into a nice feed for display is not going to be free (since the data "belongs" to the sports organizations - at least for some amount of time before it's just considered 'facts'). It's just a shame that the parties involved don't have a pricing tier that would allow for true in-home use. One of the big issues is simply compliance - how do they know you're really just a home - and not a cheating business owner trying to get something for cheap?
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Back in 1996-97 at the beginning of the commercialization of the internet, there was a software, can't remember the name that one can customized with stock, sports, news etc. and it would show up as a scrolling ticker. It wasn't real time but it was very cool since all the info you wanted was there.

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Juator - I apologize but we just can't deliver the service you are suggesting. I think it has merit, but we just haven't figured out a way on paper to do it at this time.
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The easiest (and completely legal) way to do this is using RSS feed and formatting it to appear and scroll exactly as you want in a custom 'webpage' on a display. Make it auto-refresh to pull in new 'data' every minute or so and you have real time sports headlines and scores scrolling across the bottom (or top) of a screen.

As for the LED Scroll...
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After a quick search found $40 RSS to LED Scroll software to convert RSS feed to the LED scroller using a USB or other computer connection to the LED bar.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZR1e5pwVWJ0

http://kitchi-rss.com/

This can be bought and installed (by almost anyone) for under $200 (and ZERO monthly fees).

Good luck.

BTW, the company pimping their $150 a month version is equivalent to AOL charging $30 a month for an email address just a few years ago... good luck with that business model. Anyone in the database / web industry has to adjust, just like myself.
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Anyone unfamiliar to RSS feeds, it's the raw data (mostly headlines and links to that data) that websites and news organizations create for others to utilize and format inside websites not controlled by the provider of said RSS data. The RSS feed is there for you to use and ESPN, CNN, DOW, etc. all have them available without a paid licensing requirement.
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Anyone unfamiliar to RSS feeds, it's the raw data (mostly headlines and links to that data) that websites and news organizations create for others to utilize and format inside websites not controlled by the provider of said RSS data. The RSS feed is there for you to use and ESPN, CNN, DOW, etc. all have them available without a paid licensing requirement.

Are you aware of any feeds for actual sports scores for current / in-progress games? Last I looked through the ESPN offerings, there were no scores, at least not for games in progress.

But yes, there are plenty of APIs (free) for just about everything else you'd want to display on a ticker - news, weather, stocks, etc.

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I found a thread that lists ESPN's 'bottomline' ticker URL at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=272354&page=5

Whether or not it can extrapolate the XML or data into the LED bar with the Kitchi software is unknown. Others in the thread said that Kitchi works with MLB scores using the ESPN feed and that there are other feeds Yahoo, etc. that have the score data for multiple sports. If I can find a LED bar cheap (not a pressing need/desire for myself), I'll get one and test this out.
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