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Mighty frustrated am I. My home theater system started out, several years ago with

Receiver Onkyo HT R520
Projector InFocus 4805
Fios box
DVD Player
VCR
Wii

Recently, the InFocus died, again and I chose the Epson PowerLite Home Cinema 8350 to replace it. Then, for Christmas I bought a blu ray, the Samsung BD E5400. I rather quickly determined that unit would not work and moved on to a Panasonic DMP BDT220, which, I thought, had enough connections to work with my Onkyo HT R520. And it may, but if it does, I need help to figure it out.

The current set up is:

Receiver Onkyo HT R520
Projector Epson PowerLite Home Cinema 8350 (ceiling mounted)
Hi Def Fios Box (with HDMI)
VCR
Wii

The current cables running from the Epson to the Onkyo are component and video.

Do I need/want to run HDMI through the wall/ceiling? Replace the receiver? If so, will the Onkyo TX NR414 work? I have a sinking feeling that I might have made a better choice of projector, given the hassle of all of this.

Your assistance is appreciated!!!
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Hello and welcome.

If all you have is component and video running to your projector you are "short changing" your set up. According to a couple of sources I checked the Panny only has HDMI (HD hook up) and video (SD hook up). Your current receiver does not have HDMI.

To take advantage of the HD using your current equipment (PJ and BR player) you will need to get a receiver with HDMI and run an HDMI cable to the PJ. If you don't you will only be getting a SD signal from the BR player.

To answer yes the receiver you list will work just fine. Just be sure you get your cables from monoprice.com and don't pay 80 bucks for a six foot cable.

I have the 8350 and it is a great PJ and is a great bang for the buck PJ and once it gets a HD signal you will be very happy with the image.

Hope this helps and good luck.

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The current cables running from the Epson to the Onkyo are component and video.

Do I need/want to run HDMI through the wall/ceiling? Replace the receiver? If so, will the Onkyo TX NR414 work? I have a sinking feeling that I might have made a better choice of projector, given the hassle of all of this.

You made a fine choice for a projector - and that's not the problem... You've hit the copy protection paranoia of the studios who have forced the removal of analog HD video output from all Blu-ray players. No new Blu-ray players will have component video, and no AV receiver (AVR) will convert HDMI to component (never have).

So you have a couple of choices:

1) Run HDMI to your projector, just for the Blu-ray player, and run optical digital audio from the BD player to your existing receiver.

2) Buy a 2-year-old Blu-ray player with component video outputs to connect to your existing receiver and cabling

3) Upgrade the receiver AND run HDMI to the projector. You'd then run HDMI from the BD player to the receiver.

#3, while the most expensive of the options, also gets you the most 'upgrades', as a modern AVR will also include support for the lossless audio codecs (DTS-MA) used on Blu-ray, and will also get you access to a lot of Internet music services and so forth. And you'd only need the HDMI cable to the projector (nothing else), as the AVR will upconvert everything else to HDMI, making the setup simpler to operate, as all switching would occur in the AVR.

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Thank you RTROSE! Do you think there is a better choice for a receiver? The set up is in our living/dining room, so it is very much the multi-function system: television, movies, gaming, music. It needs to be 'good' at everything -- movie sound probably matter most to us at this point.
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Thanks Jeff, that is a really clear set of choices. I think I will spring for an HDMI capable receiver. Do you think there is a better choice than the Onkyo TX NR414? I don't want to lose the ability to run the VCR getting 'fancy', for sure. Simpler is better and I suspect my three kids will eventually want the digital music. I always look for the 'sweet spot' when investing in electronics (and I know better than to check prices after I buy ;-) )
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Thanks Jeff, that is a really clear set of choices. I think I will spring for an HDMI capable receiver. Do you think there is a better choice than the Onkyo TX NR414? I don't want to lose the ability to run the VCR getting 'fancy', for sure. Simpler is better and I suspect my three kids will eventually want the digital music. I always look for the 'sweet spot' when investing in electronics (and I know better than to check prices after I buy ;-) )

You'll want to move up to the NR515 to get the "HDMI upconversion" to keep the cabling / switching simple. That model also adds the Audyssey room correction feature, which is nice to have.

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^^^^^Yup totally agree with you Jeff. Having the upconversion would be great for simplicity sake and the room correction as well.

As you probably have figured out olditgirl that the higher you go cost wise the more performance and features you will get. Sometimes there is a definite law of diminishing returns. What that means for me, is there is a true sweet spot in receivers of about 500 to 700 bucks. Most of the receivers in this price range will have many different feature sets, some you may use some you may not. One of the features you might poo poo is networking with your home network. I bought a receiver that has networking and did not think I would use it all that much, but turns out that I use it quite frequently. Also if you or your kids have iPods, iPads etc, it is nice to have the ability to use those to stream music and control the receiver.

Lots to think of, I know. Hopefully I have not confused you further, but since you mentioned a "sweet spot" I thought I'd throw some other ideas out there for you to consider.

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I appreciate the advice and I am more than willing to step up to the 7.1 Onkyo, but I read something, I'm forgetting what, that gave me pause. I want to be sure the VCR continues to work with the 'new' system and I don't want to have to buy new speakers. The current receiver is a 5.1 and the whole thing is wired into the walls ... Any hints about what I should check to be sure that it will be backwards compatible with the existing VCR and speakers, wiring and so forth?

Deeply grateful!
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I appreciate the advice and I am more than willing to step up to the 7.1 Onkyo, but I read something, I'm forgetting what, that gave me pause. I want to be sure the VCR continues to work with the 'new' system and I don't want to have to buy new speakers. The current receiver is a 5.1 and the whole thing is wired into the walls ... Any hints about what I should check to be sure that it will be backwards compatible with the existing VCR and speakers, wiring and so forth?

Deeply grateful!

Everything will work fine. The only issue where this comes up is when folks buy a "Home Theater in a Box (HTiB)" system that has non-standard speakers which can be problematic. You don't mention what speakers you have, but your receiver and the new ones we've suggested will work with most any speakers. And since your existing receiver's output power is in the same range as the new one, no problems there, either.

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The TX-NR515 as it will convert the analog signal from your VCR to a digital signal which will be sent to the Epson via the HDMI cable you will be putting in. biggrin.gif

You should be good to go.

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