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Starting this thread the day after Super-Bowl 2014!

So I have been enlisted as the "LV consultant - subcontractor" on this open-floor-plan basement project.
I say "subcontractor" because I am doing this to assist my brother, and return to him a favor in the process (also a bit of a dry run, no-charge project; to see if this might be something worth doing for hire someday?)

Background:
I had previously spent 3 years doing an open floor-plan build in my own home (which was 20 year old construction at the time); "The Cuzz'n Eddy Cinema".
This time around I am a bit smarter (I hope), and we are working in the the basement of a newer 10 yr old townhouse. We started out with an almost-clean sheet of paper.
There was one exception; Seems a previous owner began and abandoned a bedroom project (starting around a walk-in closet which became nothing more than a centrally located storage space)
I need to point out that the bulk of this project will be done by a professional re-modeler!

Phase 1:
We pre-ordered the LV wiring and misc. items needed to pre-wire the space
Then with help of a Sawzall and a couple of wrecking bars; we demoed the storage closet.
Next up was to have a meeting with the re-modeler to discuss and agree on various details of our pre-wire project (code concerns, wire drop locations, etc...)
Phase 1 would be considered finished when the pre-wiring was installed in PVC conduit, wire drops were secured, labeled, and the main video feeds were tested.
Approximately 650' feet of wire, and 24 work hours later; this was finished on 1/20/13.

After demoing the closet, here is a quick sketch of what we had to work with and around:
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Here is the general layout with LV and media concerns identified:
The items in green and red, are the phase 1 considerations
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Nice! Looking forward to watching the progress!

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So here are a few photos of the space
For reference the wall at the top of the drawing is refer to as the North wall, The bar area is the NW corner, and the "screen wall" is the NE corner.

So here is the south wall under the steps before we started:


This one does not do justice to the rat's next of Dish and cable co. wiring that was originally found in this area, the photo below was after we made our first effort to untangle and decipher their hasty mess. We ran 2 overhead conduit runs and installed a network junction box.


As it is today, this will be further cleaned up after the cable co. makes their final "additions" We also preserved a pair of RG6 dish feeds (from the roof) in this box for possible future use



So from the Equip area we ran a 3" PVC from west to east (and then up over the support beam and a left turn between the joists) to feed the drops to the front wall


Here is looking directly overhead from the front screen wall (you can see 2 of the 3 drops)


And a couple of shots of the front wall:


We future proofed these drops with an add'l RG6, and 2-Cat6 pulls behind the TV, (and pull strings)

Here is the business-end; what 650' of LV wire looks like (overhead in the equipment area). The PVC was getting full, so the runs for the surrounds and zone 2 speakers did not go thru the PVC, also not shown are 2 more runs going outside to feed audio to the deck


And the proposed bar area, with the remains of the demoed closet. The drop in the far NW corner includes one RG6 and 2 HDMI cables for zone 2 (the bar area)


I have been told that the framing is starting today - should have more photos to share by mid-week.
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Surprised it wasn't already taken, or maybe it has been:eek:

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Not sure that I can follow any thread with the word "Hawkeye" in it...
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Nice space to work with - it looks well suited for either a dedicated room or a well designed open plan. Looks like you are off to a good start.

What do you think about wiring for multiple potential subwoofer locations - just in case bass from the front corner alone isn't ideal?

I'm not suggesting you need it at all, but with a large open space it might be nice to have the option of multiple sub locations and potentially multiple subs.smile.gif Just a quick thought.

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Leave it to kjlewie to worry about having enough subs.... smile.gif

Looks like you have a good start to the room.

And this seems about right for anything from an ISU fan....
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"What do you think about wiring for multiple potential subwoofer locations - just in case bass from the front corner alone isn't ideal?"

kjlewie,
Good point on multiple subs; our first plan originally had a 2nd sub "connection point" about midway down the north wall. However; after 3 days of labor, and then running out of mono-price 12ga wire, and running low on RG6 (we used the "extra 12ga " to pull a pair to the deck), and the extra sub-woofer run was dropped just in time for cocktail hour. Other concern; this is a townhouse with 2 shared walls.
In the event a 2nd sub is desired later; there would still be the option to daisy chain an additional powered sub off the same single-channel SubEq connection, or go with wireless.
sidenote - I like the way you think; In my single-family home; I have 3 SVS cylinders running off of my 4311 biggrin.gif

deewan / nickbuol,
I was looking forward to that Herky you tube; got the same error message, followed 10 minutes later by audio-only.
Damn I thought this could have been a LMAO moment

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Good points about the shared townhouse walls and the daisy chain or wireless options down the road.

Three SVS cylinders - very nice. cool.gif

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kjlewie,
Just ventured over to your build - quite impressive - looking very good.
And..and you have certainly covered the subject of subs. Are those from Dayton flat-packs? sealed 15" or 18"?
Also see you are going with wides, any thoughts on heights?

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Thanks cuzed2.

Yep, the four 18s are Dayton flat packs I put together and the four 15s are Dayton Ultimax I dropped in custom cabs by Deewan.

Actually, we are running wides and heights, 11.x. IMO, the wides are more noticeable than the heights, in a positive way. When something moves from on screen to the sides, it seems like it is walk/driving/moving around in the room. When someone offscreen speaks you get a sense of distance. It adds to the realism. I don't notice the heights as much unless something is flying around - makes sense, I guess. We watched Pacific Rim on BD last night and Total Recall from the Sony server a few days ago and both had flying sceens with a lot of action that seemed to occur above you. I do like both wides and heights though.

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Looks like you have a good start to the room.

And this seems about right for anything from an ISU fan....

Actually that was a YouTube error thank you... I received a notice from YouTube warning me that "my video may have become corrupt" and how "sorry" they were about the problem.

Plus, I am NOT an ISU fan...

I will say this, I hope that the yellow and black chickens beat those stinkin' Ohio State Peanuts tonight.. biggrin.gif
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nickbuol,

Good to see you hanging out in places beyond the spoonflower acoustic panel thread biggrin.gif

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nickbuol,

Good to see you hanging out in places beyond the spoonflower acoustic panel thread biggrin.gif

I have slowed down my participation over there and spending more time trying to fine tune my HTPC/Media Server stuff, so I've been over there. I generally don't post too much in people's build threads, but I do follow a few.

My last few posts were here, over at the Lewis Family Cinema 2.0 thread, the HT of the month thread, a media server thread, The Savoy, then the "Spoonflower" thread, a few other build threads, the acoustical treatments thread, some blu-ray review thread, then the Spoonflower one again before hitting my own HTPC thread, and so forth. I've actually been spending a good chunk of time on a couple of other forums answering acoustical and soundproofing questions of late, and trying to get some answers to my madVR setup for my HTPC.

Again, glad to be stepping back from the Spoonflower one. It is time for someone else to carry that torch...

EDIT: I just remembered that I ordered a sample of the Silky Faille to match my other 3 samples, so I guess I will have to do one more set of comparison posts and such over there and respond to the questions that come up. Oh well, maybe by the end of the month I'll be done with it. smile.gif
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OK; although I am currently long-distance to this build, the owner emailed me some quick cell phone photos (apologize for the quality, these were taken when the room was rather dark) .

So this is the first phase 2 update:
the builder started framing this week, and as of last nite was about 80% complete,
plumber has roughed in the bathroom supplies and drains,
And the HVAC person has done some preliminary work, again; Again apologies for the cell phone photos, but I did promise "proof-of-progress", here goes:

The entry hall looking south to the storage space at the bottom of the stairs


The darkest/worst photo is the NE corner, the screen wall


Here is the NW corner, future bar area:


This is SW corner, the framed doorway to the right will lead to the Furnace room, the framed door to the far left will go into the bathroom (with some preliminary supply/return work to the furnace plenums)

As for HVAC; I believe we are looking at a supply run into the bathroom, and I believe the two returns between the stud cavities (are one for the bathroom?, and another return for the open area?)
I am speculating a bit on this photo, as I'm 350 miles away...

A modular shower stall of the opposite side (east end) of the bathroom


And a blurry photo (sorry) looking into, and thru, the underside of the stairwell, this is the area where the electrical panel is, and where the network box was installed, you can just make out the backside of the bathroom shower...


Hopefully another update will be available next weekend (I'm travelling next week, and I understand this build may slowdown a bit for 1~2 permit inspections).

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And one more straggler photo. Framing was finished on Friday, here is the equipment opening, photo was taken from the bar-area looking south into the furnace room.
The finished opening will be counter-top high, 20" w x 36" h, with 5 shelves. You can just make out the coiled up cable runs up top.


Until next weekend; if you're reading this from "up-north" (or IA), stay warm!

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Subscribed and looking forward to watching this journey...looks like a great space to start. For me, it would be better to see some Purple & Gold to represent the best University in the state - Go Panthers!
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Thanks!
Purple and Gold, now that's a bold statement. My little sister would be proud!

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OH. MY. GOD!


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Looking forward to some lively Hawkeye/Hoosier trash talk after your brother's neighbors see your trusty old RV/work truck parked in his driveway during your next visit.


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Hope the septic system in the RV doesn't fill up as quickly as last time. rolleyes.gif


I'm sure you'll be a great help to your bro with the LV wiring, Craig. Nothing beats experience, and you have plenty of experience by this point.


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Oh No!

Hanes found me, even tracked me across state lines! Great graphics - LMAO !!

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No proof-of-progress photos - because this week involved only permit inspections and a planning visit by the electrician rolleyes.gif

From what I have been told; much of the lighting will be some form of LED "mini-cans" in the ceiling. The exception will be the bar area which will have some hanging pedants over the bar.
The plan for next week is electrical, lighting and insulation, and if all goes well drywall.
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OK - just a few photos; a stand for the center speaker (Klipsch RC7).
Didn't like any of the commercial offerings so doing this instead. Will be angled up 10 degrees to hit the MLP.

The horizontal MDF slabs will be finished in black Duratex
The oak uprights ( from an oak stair tread) will be finished in golden oak to match the trim in the room.

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Remember to put a lip or edge along the back edge so the speaker doesn't slide off during reference volume. smile.gif
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deewan,

Good catch for sure!
Will actually have a 1/4" filler piece on the back cavity, it will extend high enough to keep the speaker from sliding backwards....

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OK a few more teaser photos while we wait for substantial proof-of-progress.
The electrician is paused while he waits for the electrical inspection. In this photo you can see where a 110V receptacle "landed" in the exactly same spot (lower center, #4) that I had tagged for the center channel connection plate rolleyes.gif
So as you can see from the ceiling framing; the HT area will have much higher ceilings, and the area to the right will end up with about 7.5" ceilings (to clear the various HVAC, and plumbing conflicts)


Anyone putting ceiling speakers into new construction should consider these rough-in plates.
We will use ceiling speakers for the 2 "side surrounds (5.1 system), and the one shown; belongs to the pair in zone 2 above the bar.


And from the furnace room looking thru the equipment opening into the bar area

I know; a lame update. But progress is progress - hopefully we will see the space insulated, before the weekend?

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More photos coming soon....

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Insulation is done


Front Wall (NE corner) with LV boxes installed


Bar area


Hi-Lo box wiring for bar TV


So as I understand it the stripper pole idea was replaced with an enclosed trimmed pole


And looking into the SW corner towards the bathroom and furnace room

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