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For HT18...

4cuft is the smallest rec.

6-8cuft is better.

More than than does not net much extra performance.
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For HT18...

4cuft is the smallest rec.

6-8cuft is better.

More than than does not net much extra performance.
Those numbers are likely accurate but we're discussing a driver that hasn't been sold in almost (over?) two years. But if you go up to 6-8 cu.ft., you better be at rated power. And in all the systems I ever read about people building, it was always 4 cu.ft. for one and 8 cu.ft. for a dual-opposed pair. Who built an HT18 enclosure at 6-8 cu.ft. for a single driver? I'm sure you'd get a little more low-end extension but you'd have to watch the power so overall output would be a little lower than the standard 4 cu.ft.

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So you're saying 2-3cuft is a good idea then?

I believe I was recommending 4cuft and have built 4cuft for all my HT18's (or 8cuft DO if you want to be technical (no difference)).

Why people chose to build what they did (cram into smallest enclosure possible, plus 4cuft flat pack availability and popularity) is not really the point.
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Here is 4.01 before the little bit of driver displacement.


Modeled up in Sketchup. Also if moving surrounds forward then I most likely will put smoothing subs in rear corners which will further help with efficiency.
This enclosure is 31.5hx20wx14d (exterior & 0.75 thickness)


@beastaudio , you like that side surround placement better? Call with Shawn is looking like set for Sat...I remember right you were working with Quest?
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What cu ft would you recommend min for these drivers? I can't say for sure but it does seem that I don't quite get as crazy as some. I will be on two single 15 amp circuits for the room. Plan on putting a Crest on each, prob LCR amps with the Crest running SI's... I can model the enclosures a little bigger but David (Dgage) felt 3 cu ft might be most I should do with the powerful Crest amps and the SI's power handling. But as we know these drivers can handle much more, Nick just keeping numbers conservative

Is 2.3 to 3.0 a vast difference?
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Those numbers are likely accurate but we're discussing a driver that hasn't been sold in almost (over?) two years. But if you go up to 6-8 cu.ft., you better be at rated power. And in all the systems I ever read about people building, it was always 4 cu.ft. for one and 8 cu.ft. for a dual-opposed pair. Who built an HT18 enclosure at 6-8 cu.ft. for a single driver? I'm sure you'd get a little more low-end extension but you'd have to watch the power so overall output would be a little lower than the standard 4 cu.ft.
I've had mine in 11 cuft (5.5 net per driver) since I purchased them at the very first shipment of production. They've had up to 1000 per driver at times and have never broken a sweat. This size enclosure yields IIRC right around .707 Q which is a perfect spot. 4 cuft and 1000 watts is fine just as scott said, but I wouldn't go any lower.
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Hard to tell but I think you just need to be ever so slightly in front of your ears with the sides and you will be in good shape.

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Push them forward a bit so they line up with your knees while sitting.
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I've had mine in 11 cuft (5.5 net per driver) since I purchased them at the very first shipment of production. They've had up to 1000 per driver at times and have never broken a sweat. This size enclosure yields IIRC right around .707 Q which is a perfect spot. 4 cuft and 1000 watts is fine just as scott said, but I wouldn't go any lower.
And what the heck would you know about setting up a good bass system? Fine, even before you added the near-field HST18s, you had one of the best subwoofer systems I've ever heard. So Jonathan, I think you can stop searching as the man has officially spoken though Scott is also the man and knows more about those drivers than I. I only chimed in because I was concerned about 7-8 cu.ft. being suggested for a single HT-18 which seemed large and dangerous to me, especially with the power you were planning. Now go build them as I'd like to see if we can coordinate your movie viewing with seismic anomalies with the US Geological Survey.

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Hard to tell but I think you just need to be ever so slightly in front of your ears with the sides and you will be in good shape.
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Push them forward a bit so they line up with your knees while sitting.
Pic below is taken from about knee spot. The fireplace will obviously limit that but it just about lines up with front edge of seating by 4-5 inches. Remembering some Erksine designs I think Shawn might recommend the same as a forward position. I was afraid they were close but I really wanted to get it finalized and emailed off but knowing we would be tweaking it.

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Your ears have the most trouble with spacial queuing from the rear. If you have a chance to try both positions before buttoning down the final location, I would definitely try that out. You may be very pleasantly surprised at how much more enveloping the SS is with the surrounds slightly forward. It allows your brain to discern between them and rear surrounds MUCH easier.

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With the surrounds behind you (all of them) the entire surround field exists behind you. It's not enveloping at all. Wrap around effects are clunky.

I like to sit inside the surround field. It's much more enveloping and connects to the front soundstage much more seamlessly. Also lessens the "need" for wides when there is no "gap" between front and rear soundstages.

Next time you go to a movie theater and sit in your favorite spot, look left and right at the surround arrays. Do they extend forward beyond your seat? They sure do!
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With the surrounds behind you (all of them) the entire surround field exists behind you. It's not enveloping at all. Wrap around effects are clunky.

I like to sit inside the surround field. It's much more enveloping and connects to the front soundstage much more seamlessly. Also lessens the "need" for wides when there is no "gap" between front and rear soundstages.

Next time you go to a movie theater and sit in your favorite spot, look left and right at the surround arrays. Do they extend forward beyond your seat? They sure do!
It makes you wonder if dolby will actually update the standards for 7.1(+) to reflect this, especially now with OBA. Since I made the move, I have always felt that with the presence of rear channels, the sides definitely require the adjustment just as you stated above, yet they still suggest to have them level or slightly behind on the sides.

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Okay thanks gents. Also something I was perviously thinking about is the side surrounds back where I first had them are DIRECTLY in the path of opposing wall L&R 215's. So those areas will obviously receive some sort of treatment and it's easier to build solid rather than piece around a surround speaker mounted there.

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Okay so here I changed all four SI 18's to 4.01 cu ft before driver displacement, moved the second from behind MLP to mid point rear wall. Also moved both surrounds forward.

Question: Running the four SI's off two channels of a PL 7.5 can I use a mini dsp of some sort to individually time align each sub? Or can I only time align the channel? That make sense? Because if I can only time align the channel then I need essentially two equidistant pairs rather than four different locations.


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Thanks! Actually I didn't know that, I have never used anything but photobucket.

I tried it and when I clicked on the upload button I got an error message that said, "Your submission could not be processed because a security token was missing."

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Thanks! Actually I didn't know that, I have never used anything but photobucket.

I tried it and when I clicked on the upload button I got an error message that said, "Your submission could not be processed because a security token was missing."

Was the window open awhile before you tried to proceed? I think if it sits there for 45 min or so it will time out. Otherwise sometimes I have to take screen shots to reduce file size.

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Was the window open awhile before you tried to proceed? I think if it sits there for 45 min or so it will time out. Otherwise sometimes I have to take screen shots to reduce file size.
Ok thanks man, I'll try the screenshot thing.
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Ok thanks man, I'll try the screenshot thing.
You running Mac? Try a photo here We will get this! LTD02 taught me awhile back. It's easy but if we don't know what all this little damn icons are for it's not lol!

Go Advanced, manage attachments, choose file, upload. If it doesn't upload the page may have timed our or photo size is too big. Then click on yellow lettering and it will open the photo in it's own tab. Copy the URL, delete tab, then click on the little icon that is yellow with a mountain and paste.

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I think I have it, is it showing up? Thanks man, I appreciate it.
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I think I have it, is it showing up? Thanks man, I appreciate it.


Yea looks great! Been busy, picked up coaching 7-8th grade flag football so been busy along with picking up intensity of workout focus. Trying to shred up completely before I begin bulking around end of December.

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Cmon man, you need to re-prioritize. We are all waiting....

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Here is 4.01 before the little bit of driver displacement.
What site is that calculator from? That would save me a bit of geometry for one of my speaker designs, ha.
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Hey all sorry for delays...got back to working after a few months off after the move. And taking fitness to next level along with coaching 7-8th grade flag football.

What I need to figure out asap is my screen angle. How do I calculate this value?


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What I need to figure out asap is my screen angle. How do I calculate this value?


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Do you mine side to side from your sitting distance?
Do I mind? I'm not sure what it is but Shawn needs my viewing angle statistic and I have never even heard if it before lol.I'm 13.5ft away from an 11.5ft screen. Ive Googled and even asked some peeps and it sounds easy, just have no clue when I don't understand what the stat is for or accomplishes.

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Do I mind? I'm not sure what it is but Shawn needs my viewing angle statistic and I have never even heard if it before lol.I'm 13.5ft away from an 11.5ft screen. Ive Googled and even asked some peeps and it sounds easy, just have no clue when I don't understand what the stat is for or accomplishes.
Would it be like, what are your viewing angles for your seats? Like this? I am not sure how to calculate them, but if you could draw it at you might be able to figure it out.

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I think this is it.

Does anyone know how viewing angle plays into acoustical planning?
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