Originally Posted by rsbeck
I find that it is not uncommon at all to see web-site reviewers claim that there is no DNR or ringing on a given title only to find that videophiles here can see it very easily. Personally, I cannot rely on those reviews at all.
It is also very uncommon to find anyone in the PQ thread who can spot either DNR or EE.
Do you not have enough humility here to realize that you are the only one
who sees "persistent ringing and halos all through the film"?
You can't rely on those reviews "at all".
Apparently you can't rely on anyone in the Tier thread either.
Or screen grabs.
And you can't rely on someone who often agrees with you in terms of picture quality issues (me).
I am not asking you to say that you don't see what you see, but I do think some humility and open mindedness might be in order here considering the facts as they currently exist.
As you know, when I offered to supply time stamps, there was a chorus of people telling me they did not want to know about it.
There is an element that not only fails to see it, but adamantly so.
As I have said numerous times: if there is indeed "persistent ringing and halos all through the film" there is absolutely no need to provide "time stamps". You have even acknowledged this yourself saying: "I watched it again with the idea that I might get some time stamps plus I wanted to do some more investigation to see if I should call it a minor issue or major on this thread, but I quickly realized, there should be no need for time stamps. Just load it up and keep your eyes open, you won't have to wait long to see it again and again."
So why would you bring up the offer to post time stamps as some type of argument in your favor when you, yourself, have stated that there is no need for them?
Also, if it is so easy to see, and we won't have to wait long to see it "again and again" why hasn't anyone else noticed it thus far?
I know that I looked at this title with a critical eye from my normal viewing distance since I knew how others were giving it very high marks. I was also aware of your review indicating that there was a lot of ringing, so I was looking for it. I didn't see it. Offering time codes implies that I wasn't looking for these artifacts to begin with, but more importantly, as you said yourself, there should be no need for them since all you have to do is "keep your eyes open, you won't have to wait long to see it again and again".
I can tell you that I do not throw these accusations around lightly -- I believe my participation here will more than bear that out.
I am trying to use evidence to find out the truth, and thus far, it appears that you are the only one to see this major issue. I have not accused you of lying or having an agenda as there is absolutely no evidence for that, which is why I asked if you were sure that there isn't something in your video chain that may be causing this.
I don't want to sound offensive because I count you as a friend, but I am also very perplexed. To me, it is very easy to see and so repetitive that after awhile that's all I can see. It literally ruins the experience for me. I'm quite confident that if we could watch together, I could point it out for you and I think you might be shocked to see how much of it there is in this title and all of the different ways it shows up.
And then it could ruin the experience for you, too. :-)
Again, I am most certainly NOT accusing you of lying in any way, but at this point I am very suspicious of something else going on with your system, because that is the only thing that makes any sense to me given the current evidence.
Are you using any type of video processor to your display?
What exactly is it that you are calling "ringing"? Can you describe it? Can you point it out in any screen grabs that have been posted?
Here are some links to the screen grabs that I am aware of: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=2059http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/movies...ow=screenshots