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The Film Has Already Been Made - Reproduce it


Film is a beautiful medium and should be treated with respect which means being faithful to the director or cinematographers intent when transferring the film to a home format such as Blu Ray. For the first time ever we are able to replicate the cinema experience in our homes and this thread is dedicated to this hobby and to the enjoyment we all get from collecting our favorite films.

As far as this thread goes it does not matter if the film has grain or has a soft look or has a dark and stylistic look which would normally see such films being given low marks by those who want eye candy but what matters is that the film has not suffered excessive DNR or excessive EE or other such issues related to film transfers. You will find eye candy titles here but you will also find many great films which have been under appreciated because of the cinematography choices made at the time of filming.

If you think a film should be on this list then nominate it. All nominations are welcome from everyone and you can also negative or critique any film on this list and give your reason why a film either deserves to be here or should not be here. Films will either go straight onto the minor/medium/major issues list or be placed on the nomination/digital camera list. Two nominations are required for a place on the main list and three negatives will see a film removed from the list or placed on the minor issues list.

  • Film titles on the reference list will be expected to have a film like look with very little issues. There may be extremely small issues lasting several seconds but this would not disqualify the film from the list.
  • Film titles which have recurring problems throughout the running time that are considered just minor distractions can be placed on the minor issues list. Examples of minor distractions would be edge enhancement used to sharpen some scenes or excessive DNR used for a couple of minutes in a two hour film or macroblocking may be seen in some scenes in an otherwise perfect transfer - All these reasons could see a film dropped from the main list to the minor issues list.
  • Film titles which have more extensive issues and more prolonged may be placed on the medium issues list. Films may still look film like but may have serious other problems preventing placement on the minor issues list.
  • If a film has undergone major changes to the way it originally looked it can be placed on the Changed significantly from it's theatrical presentation list - Examples of major changes would be altering the colors of the entire film or replacing guns with walkie talkies or boosting the contrast levels - Films on this list may contain minor issues which will be noted next to each film.
  • Films on the major issues list should have very serious problems with their transfer to Blu Ray - They will not be film like and may look very processed and will be less detailed and will have had either excessive digital noise reduction applied or excessive edge enhancement applied or both applied to them. They may also contain other issues as a result such as waxy looking faces or frozen grain structure. These transfers are ones which should have been a lot better.

For Smaller Screen Owners - Recommended Viewing Distance Relating to Your Screen Size

Screen Size >>>>>>>>720p >>>>>>>>> 1080p

32 inches >>>>>>>>> 6 feet >>>>>>>> 4 feet

37 inches >>>>>>>>> 7 feet >>>>>>>> 5 feet

40 inches >>>>>>>>> 8 feet >>>>>>>> 5 feet

42 inches >>>>>>>>> 8 feet >>>>>>>> 5.5 feet

46 inches >>>>>>>>> 9 feet >>>>>>>> 6 feet

50 inches >>>>>>>> 10 feet >>>>>>>> 6.5 feet

52 inches >>>>>>>> 10 feet >>>>>>>> 7 feet

65 inches >>>>>>>> 13 feet >>>>>>>> 8.5 feet

Additional Viewing Distance Chart Help

The Official EE/DNR Thread

Digital Noise Reduction Information ( DNR )


Check out Xylon's screenshot threads too - Very informative


The Reference List - Highly Recommended Blu Ray Releases
These films are considered to closely reproduce the look of the original film


A Clockwork Orange
*softer film look with grain present in darker scenes

Across The Universe


Aeon Flux


A Passage To India

*Grain structure intact
*Film like image


Armageddon
*Alternates between light grain and heavier grain
*Looks great in HD


Avatar
*Fabulous transfer and highly detailed image

Babe
l

Batman Begins* ----------------------1 negative for filtered undetailed look


Beneath The Planet Of The Apes


Big Fish
*Fine to medium grain throughout running time in this film like presentation
*No ringing or halo's noted


Big Trouble In Little China
*Grain structure intact
*Razor sharp detailed image

*Screenshots of the movie from forum member Giger


Black Book


Black Narcissus

*Grain structure intact
*Fabulous color photography
*Detailed and film like presentation


Black Snake Moan


Blade Runner - Theatrical, Directors Cut and the International Theatrical Cut

Blades Of Glory


Blazing Saddles


Body Heat
*Film like detailed image
*Shot film noir with a deliberate soft lensed look


Body Of Lies
*Fine detailed film like transfer
*Grain structure intact


Bonnie and Clyde

Braveheart
*Very film like and extremely detailed image
*One of the best releases on the Blu Ray format
*Grain structure intact

*Screenshots of the movie from forum member Giger

Bullitt
*Film like image
*Retains it's cinematic look

Burn After Reading

*Film like image
*Grain structure intact

*Screenshots of the movie from forum member Giger

Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid

*Grain structure intact
*Shot with a softer focus which some have mistaken for DNR
*Pleasing film like image but could do with restoration work on the print


Casino Royale

*Director approved release with moderate grain structure
*Detailed and pleasing film like image


Cast Away


Children Of Men - German Edition

Chungking Express
*Grain structure intact
*Detailed film like presentation

*Screenshots of the movie from forum member Giger

CJ7


Close Encounters Of The Third Kind

*Grain structure is intact
*Pleasing film like presentation


Crash
*Grain structure intact
*Softer lensed look believed to be intentional


Curse Of The Golden Flower


Day Watch

Deja Vu

Die Hard


Die Hard With A Vengeance


Dirty Harry

*Film grain structure intact
*Detailed film like image


Dog Day Afternoon


Domino

Doomsday

*Detailed film like image
*Grain structure intact
*
Screenshots of the movie from forum member Giger

Dreamgirls


Eagle Eye
*Film grain structure retained
*Stylistic look to the movie

*Screenshots of the movie from forum member Giger

Enchanted


Escape From The Planet Of The Apes

Fantastic Four: Rise Of The Silver Surfer


Fearless
*Directors cut of movie retains it's film look
*Grain structure intact
*Screenshots of the movie from forum member Giger

Forgetting Sarah Marshall
* ---------- 1 negative for overcompression, smearing and blocking

Franklyn
*Fine film grain structure intact
*Beautiful looking film

*Screenshots of the movie from forum member Giger

Gandhi

Ghostbusters
*Cinematographer approved transfer
*Retains grain structure for detailed cinematic image

*Contrast boosting in some scenes may not be approved by all

Ghost Town
*Natural film like image
*Film grain structure intact

*Screenshots of the movie from forum member Giger

Gone Baby Gone

Good Night, and Good Luck

Hancock


Harry Potter and The Prisoner of Azkaban


Heathers
*Grain intact
*Good catalogue title


Hellboy - Directors Cut

*Light grain structure intact
*Highly detailed film like image
*Fabulous colors and contrast range


Hellboy II - The Golden Army

Hitman

Hollow Man
*Gorgeous film like image quality
*Grain structure intact

*Hollow Man Review

How The West Was Won

*Shot in 70mm Cinerama format
*Highly detailed image with great depth of field
*Just a tiny hint of edge enhancement
*Colors are strong and bold

*Screencaps of How The West Was Won

Hustle & Flow


Identity

Independence Day

Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull


Interview
With The Vampire
*Film look maintained
*Stylistic film photography
with a sometimes softer look to the image
*Screenshots of the movie from forum member Giger

Into The Blue

*Fabulous crystal clear image
*Very light grain structure


Iron Man

*Film grain intact and a highly detailed image
*
Xylons Picture Comparison Thread
*
Iron Man Review

I Robot


JFK


Juno


Kingdom Of Heaven

*Grain structure intact
*Pleasing film like image
*Gorgeous cinematography


Knocked Up

La Femme Nikita

*Grain structure intact
*Beautiful example of film photography

*Screenshots of the movie from forum member Giger

Layer Cake

Let The Right One In

Live Free Or Die Hard


Lord Of War


Mad Max 2 - The Road Warrior

*Medium to sometimes heavy grain structure is intact
*Retains it's film look


Manhunter
*Natural grain structure intact
*Great looking eighties film
*Retains the film look


Man On Fire


Master and Commander - The Far Side Of The World


Memento

Men In Black* ---------- 2 negatives for a digital processed look with EE

Minority Report
*Film grain preserved and it looks detailed and excellent

Mission Impossible III

Nick and Norah's Infinite Playlist


Night Of The Living Dead - ( 1968 version - B/W )


Night Watch

No Country For Old Men


No Reservations


Ocean's 11


Ocean's 12

Ocean's 13


Pan's Labyrinth - French/German/UK Release

*Detailed film like image
*Grain structure intact


Pirates Of The Caribbean - Dead Man's Chest

*Very light grain structure is intact
*Highly detailed film like image


Pirates Of The Caribbean - At World's End

*Very light grain structure is intact
*Highly detailed film like image


Pitch Black
*Grain structure intact
*Has a stylistic look to it which is intentional

*Screenshots of the movie from forum member Giger

Planet Of The Apes


Point Break


Poltergeist
*Grain structure intact
*Detailed and film like look

*Poltergeist Review

Punisher: War Zone

Quantum Of Solace
*Film grain intact
*Detailed film like image


Raging Bull
*Fine grain and film like image
*Fantastic black and white photography
*Screenshots of the movie from forum member Giger

Rambo

*Grain structure is intact
*Film like image with bold contrast range


Red Belt

Repulsion
*Film grain intact
*Fantastic film look preserved


Rescue Dawn


Resident Evil - Extinction

*Fine light grain structure intact
*High quality film like image

Requiem For A Dream - Lionsgate Edition Only
*Film grain intact
*Faithful transfer with very pleasing film like image quality

Romancing The Stone

*Grain structure intact
*Pleasing film like image
*One of the better looking catalog titles from the eighties


Running Scared ( German Edition )


Serenity
*Grain structure intact
*Gorgeous looking film with high levels of detail present in the image
*
Screenshots of the movie from forum member Giger

Sex and the City

Shall We Dance


Shooter


Sleepwalking

Sleepy Hollow
- Japanese Release
*Grain structure intact
*Stylistic film photography looks fabulous and works well for this type of story


Shoot 'Em Up

*Grain structure intact
*Stylistic cinematography choices look great but may not please everyone
*Highly detailed image


Silent Hill - ( German Edition )

*Detailed film like image
*Fine film grain intact


Smart People


South Pacific
*Film grain structure beautifully preserved
*Detailed image with original color tint intact

*Xylon's South Pacific Comparison Pix Thread

Star Trek II - The Wrath Of Khan
*Grain structure mostly intact
*Detail levels high
*Blue tint to some scenes may upset purists of original DVD release


Street Kings
*Fine grain structure intact
*Nice sharp picture


Sunshine

*Fine grain structure
*Detailed and beautiful image quality
*
Screencaps of Sunshine

Taken
- UK and American extended edition
*Film like pleasing image
*Grain structure intact
*
Screenshots of the movie from forum member Giger

The Bird With The Crystal Plumage
*Grain structure fully intact
*Fabulous looking Argento classic


The Bourne Ultimatum
*Detailed film like image
*
Grain structure intact

The Chronicles Of Narnia - Prince Caspian
*Film like and detailed image

The Day The Earth Stood Still ( 1951 original )

*Grain structure intact
*Some minor edge enhancement may exist on the print
*Beautiful film like black and white photography


The Descent ----- AVC American and Australian editions only

*Retains grain structure
*Some chroma errors reported during opening title sequence
*Film like and detailed image
*An MPEG 2 edition exists which has been degrained
*An Australian edition available without chroma errors but different contrast levels
- This is the best edition to date but is 24fps (should be 23.946fps )

The Day After Tomorrow

The Devil Wears Prada


The Fall
*Grain structure intact
*Nice levels of detail and great color reproduction


The Godfather
*Grain structure intact
*Film like presentation


The Godfather Part II

*Grain structure intact
*Film like presentation


The Godfather Part III

*Lighter grain structure than first two movies but grain structure intact
*Film like presentation


The Happening

The Hunt For Red October

*Grain structure intact
*Detailed film like image


The Illunionist
*Light film grain structure intact
*Beautiful cinematography and pleasing film like image

*Screenshots of the movie from forum member Giger

The Incredible Hulk


The International
*Outstanding fine detail
*Grain structure intact
*
Superb and pleasing image

The Ipcress File
*Medium grain structure consistent throughout film
*Seems to be fresh master with no dirt on print
*Nicely balanced color and contrast


The Island ( UK Edition )


The Man Who Fell To Earth
*Grain structure intact
*Detailed and film like image
*Screencaps of The Man Who Fell To Earth


The Midnight Meat Train
*Grain structure intact
*Detailed image with film like presentation


The Omega Man
*Heavy film grain preserved and intact
*Fabulous seventies classic


The Professionals
*Grain structure intact
*Film like and highly detailed image

*The Professionals Review

The Sand Pebbles

*Grain structure intact
*Pleasing film like image


The Seventh Seal
*Film grain structure intact
*Absolutely stunning classic B&W film


The Spiderwick Chronicles

The Texas Chainsaw Massacre ( 1974 original )
*Grain structure intact
*Film like presentation shot using 16mm film stock


The Third Man

*B/W film with grain structure intact
*Beautiful film like image


The Visitor

*Natural fine grain apparent throughout - no halos or ringing noted

The Wackness

The Water Horse - Legend Of The Deep

The Wizard Of Oz
*Fantastic classic film now breathtakingly restored for Blu Ray
*Grain structure intact
*Film like presentation


The Wrestler
*Very nice transfer
*Grain structure intact
*Detailed film like stylistic image

*Screenshots of the movie from forum member Giger

The 7th Voyage of Sinbad


The 400 Blows
*Film's grain structure intact
*Another great Criterion release preserving the films original cinematography


Thunderball

Tomb Raider - The Cradle Of Life - German Edition

*Very light grain structure intact
*Detailed film like image

*Tomb Raider - The Cradle Of Life Review

Trainspotting - Japanese Edition

Transformers


Transporter 2 - Japanese Edition


Transporter 3
*Film grain preserved
*Film like and detailed image
*1 negative for persistent ringing noted here

*Screenshots of the movie from forum member Giger

Tropic Thunder


Underworld


Wanted

*Light grain structure is intact
*Detailed and film like image with striking cinematography choices
*Mostly shot using 35mm film but some scenes shot digital with new 4K Red camera


Vantage Point


Wages Of Fear
*Grain structure intact
*Fantastic looking classic preserving the original cinemtography


Watchmen
*Film look maintained
*Very good levels of detail


We Own The Night


X-Men
*Grain structure intact
*Highly detailed image


X-Men: The Last Stand

*Film grain structure intact
*Film like stylised image


Zack and Miri Make a Porno

28 Weeks Later


300

*Heavy film grain structure which was added post production
*Highly stylistic look which will not please everyone
*Detailed image with fabulous cinematography




The Nomination List


  • Adventureland
  • Alien vs Predator
  • Alien vs Predator: Requiem
  • Alvin And The Chipmunks
  • American History X
  • A Nightmare On Elm Street
  • Antwone Fisher
  • Armageddon ( Bruce Willis and not the Rutger Hauer film )
  • Assault on Precinct 13 ( Carpenter's original 1976 version )
  • Austin Powers: International Man Of Mystery
  • Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me
  • Australia
  • Battle For The Planet Of The Apes
  • Babylon A.D.
  • Bridge To Terabithia ---- 1 negative for DNR
  • Broken Arrow
  • Bulletproof Monk
  • Casanova
  • Catch and Release
  • Carrie
  • Chain Reaction
  • Cinderella Man ( import version )
  • City Girl
  • Collateral
  • Commando
  • Conquest Of The Planet Of The Apes
  • Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon
  • DareDevil
  • Day Of The Dead
  • Day Watch
  • Dawn Of The Dead ( 1978 UK Edition )
  • Death Proof
  • Die Hard 2
  • District B13
  • Drag Me To Hell
  • Dragon Wars
  • Dr Strangelove
  • Eight Below
  • Election
  • End Of Days
  • Entrapment
  • Eraser
  • Every Which Way But Loose
  • Eyes Wide Shut
  • Faces Of Death
  • Fantastic Four
  • Felon
  • Field Of Dreams
  • Fighting
  • For Your Eyes Only
  • Friday Night Lights
  • Gigi
  • Go
  • Gone In Sixty Seconds
  • Grand Canyon Adventure - River At Risk
  • Great Expectations ( UK Import - David Lean 1946 Version )
  • Halloween ( 2007 remake )
  • Hardware
  • Harold & Kumar Escape From Guantanamo Bay
  • Harry Potter And The Sorcerer's Stone
  • Hell Ride
  • Henry Poole Is Here
  • Home Alone ----- 1 negative for grain reduction/filtering of detail
  • How To Lose Friends And Alienate People
  • In Bruges ----- Australian edition - 25fps release
  • In Cold Blood
  • Inside Man
  • In The Realm Of The Senses
  • In The Valley Of Elah
  • Jesus Christ Vampire Hunter
  • John Mayer: Where The Light Is
  • Kiss Of The Dragon
  • Kung Fu Hustle
  • Labyrinth - 1 nomination for The Reference List and one nomination for the Minor issues list
  • Last Holiday
  • Last Year At Marienbad
  • Leatherheads
  • Little Miss Sunshine
  • Live and Let Die
  • Magnum Force
  • Martyrs ( UK Release )
  • Max Payne
  • Meet Dave
  • Meet The Spartans
  • Michael Clayton
  • Milk
  • Million Dollar Baby
  • Minority Report
  • Mirrors
  • Natural Born Killers
  • Navy Seals
  • Nixon
  • Norbit
  • Phone Booth
  • Pride and Prejudice ( BBC Miniseries 1995 )
  • Quo Vadis
  • Reds
  • Resident Evil - Apocalypse
  • Saturday Night Fever
  • Saw
  • Saw II
  • Saw IV
  • Saw V
  • Seabiscuit
  • Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow
  • Sideways
  • Sleepy Hollow - Japanese Edition
  • Sleepwalking
  • Step Brothers
  • Sting: Bring On The Night
  • Subway
  • Sudden Impact
  • Sunrise
  • Super Troopers
  • The Big Blue - Directors Cut
  • The Bourne Supremacy
  • The Brothers Grimm
  • The Bucket List
  • The Cave (Japanese Edition
  • The Covenant
  • The Dead Pool
  • The Deal
  • The Doors
  • The Enforcer
  • The Fly
  • The Graduate
  • The Great Raid
  • The Kite Runner
  • The Last Metro
  • The League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen
  • The Lives Of Others ( Das Leben der Anderen )
  • The Matrix Reloaded
  • The Mist
  • The Omen
  • The Pink Panther - 1963 original
  • The Replacement Killers
  • There's Something About Mary
  • The Robe
  • The Ruins
  • The Shining
  • The Strangers
  • The Transporter
  • The Unborn
  • Transporter 2 ( American edition )
  • The World's Fastest Indian
  • Three Days Of The Condor
  • Tommy Boy
  • Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen
  • Transsiberian
  • Troy Directors Cut edition
  • Twilight ( UK edition )
  • Two Evil Eyes
  • Ultraviolet
  • Underworld: Evolution
  • W
  • War
  • Warriors Of Heaven and Earth
  • We Were Soldiers - Australian and UK editions
  • We Were Soldiers - American edition
  • What Doesn't Kill You
  • What Happens In Vegas
  • What Just Happened
  • Woodstock
  • Young Frankenstein
  • 20 Million Miles To Earth
  • 2010
  • 8 Mile


Minor Issues With Transfer To Blu Ray
Films on this list are still highly recommended- Not everyone will notice issues

Air Force One - Import Edition
*Some noise on the transfer


American Psycho ( Sony Australian Edition )
*Minor grain reduction
*Some minor EE spotted in places

An American Werewolf In London
*Edge enhancement running throughout the movie
*Grain appears somewhat unnatural but may be due to film stock used


Annapolis
*Some artifacting in some scenes

Any Given Sunday
*Some blocking occuring in some scenes where grain has not been compressed well
*Any Given Sunday Review

Austin Powers: Goldmember
*Some minor DNR

Batman
*
Some minor DNR

B
atman Returns
*Minor grain reduction and EE visible in some scenes


Behind Enemy Lines
*Some minor edge enhancement

Black Hawk Down
*1 Negative for lack of detail and EE throughout
*1 Positive for image quality

Bottle Rocket
*Minor edge enhancement in a handful of scenes
*Minor aliasing issues ( jaggies )


Capote
*Light to moderate edge enhancement throughout the movie

Changeling
*Noticeable trails during camera as a result of grain reduction

Cop Land
*Black specks and crosshatch noise

Crimson Tide
*Occasional EE

Danny The Dog aka Unleashed - Japanese Edition
*Minor EE

Donnie Brasco
*Minor EE

Doubt
*Thin but persistent ringing and halos throughout film

Eden Lake
*Slightly elevated blacks - Possibly intentional
*Minor ringing around edges and the letterboxing area indicates filtering
*Other than the above minor issues this is a good film like transfer

Enemy Of The State
*Some minor edge enhancement
*Slightly filtered look

*Most likely an old master was used

Flightplan
*Minor DNR

French Connection II
*Some slight aliasing ( jaggies ) on the opening credits and objects

Full Metal Jacket
*This is the remastered release
*Minor EE and a touch of aliasing ( jaggies )


Halloween
*Color timing changed

Highlander
*Some scenes have had minor degraining done
*Mostly a very film like and absorbing experience

I Am Legend

*Compression issues resulting in some blocking

King Arthur
*
Inconsistent with grain retained in some scenes but not in others
*
Some EE visible

King Kong
*
Some minor grain reduction
*Opening scenes before the island is reached look the best

Kill Bill Volume 1
*Light use of noise reduction
*
Some minor ringingin some scenes

Kill Bill Volume 2
*Light use of noise reduction
*Some minor ringing in some scenes

Kramer vs Kramer
*Minor ringing throughout the film

Little Miss Sunshine

*Natural looking film grain intact
*Detailed and film like appearance
*Edges have been enhanced resulting in ringing throughout the film


Lost Season 4
*Some minor EE in some of the earlier episodes

Mr Brooks
*Minor Edge Enhancement

Payback - Directors Cut
*One scene has excessive DNR - Rest of the film is fine

Pearl Harbor
*Some moderate ringing

Pirates Of The Caribbean - Curse Of The Black Pearl
*
Very light EE throughout

Predator
*Film grain is intact some of it is heavy due to zooming in on scenes post production
*Some compression artifacts spoil the show


Predator 2
*Minor DNR visible most of the time

Pulp Fiction
( French Release )
*Light application of DNR
*Audio pitch issues

*Mouseover comparison between Pulp Fiction France and Denmark releases

Run Lola Run
*
Questionable color balance compared to earlier releases

Shutter
*Minor EE

Speed
*Film like detailed image
*Unfortunately some edge enhancement throughout the film

Spiderman 2
*
Minor EE in a handful of scenes

Spiderman 3
*
A handful of scenes have EE but otherwise this is a flawless transfer

Stir Of Echoes
*
Dirt ridden print with gate telecine wobble

Subway
*Contrast boosted
*Great looking disc with film grain intact


Superman - The Movie
*
Daily Planet scenes look DNRed - Possibly just soft focus lens

Sympathy For Lady Vengeance
*
Some scenes where transfer fails to retain grain - Probably due to low bitrate

The Adventures Of Baron Munchausen
*
Some minor DNR

The Amityville Horror - 1979 version
*
Small amount of filtering resulting in slight detail loss

The Aviator - Import Versions
*
Some minor EE and minor color banding in a few shots

The Chronicles Of Narnia - The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe
*
Some minor DNR and EE

The Bourne Identity
*
Minor DNR reduction
*1 Negative for halos and frequently popping black and white speckles exposing print damage
*
Click for Lgans comments regarding 1 negative against this film

The Departed
*Minor EE
*Some scenes look processed


The Devil's Rejects
*
Film like but has compression issues

The Fifth Element
*
Slightly processed look to the image

The Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy
*
Minor Artifacting

The Hulk
*Frequently popping black and white speckles shows signs of print wear and tear
*Minor halo's around high contrast edges


The Last House On The Left (2009 remake)
*
Minor artifacting perhaps due to putting the unrated and rated editions on the same disc ( Seamless branching not used )

The Last Samurai
*
Minor EE

The Life Before Her Eyes
*
Light temporal noise reduction applied

The Life Of Brian
*Slightly Processed Look

The Matrix Revolutions
*Light to moderate edge enhancement in a handful of scenes
*macroblocking is present during the last half hour of the film


The Machinist
*
Minor EE

The Orphanage
*
Minor aliasing issue which results in jaggies sometimes visible on noses and arms and diagonal edges and curves
*
Click here and check out woman's right arm for an example of aliasing issue
*Click here and check out man's nose for an example of aliasing issue

The Princess Bride
*
Minor EE visible around objects on blue sky background scenes
*Grain structure intact and film like image

The Proposition
*Some minor EE

The Punisher - Import version ( Japan and UK Editions )
*
Mild filtering and some EE visible

The Reader
*Minor filtering resulting in slightly less detail and also minor ringing spotted
*Generally a very good looking title


The Rock
*
Occasional EE/Ringing

The Searchers
*Grain structure intact
*Film like image
but suffers from minor ringing in a number of scenes
*Robert A Harris interviews Ned Price on The Searchers restoration

The Silence Of The Lambs
*Minor grain reduction
*Early scenes such as when Clarice meets Jack Crawford suffer from waxy appearance


The Stendahl Syndrome
*
Some sharpening has been applied to this edition
*
A heavier than normal grain structure
*
Some artifacting most of which is invisible in motion

There Will Be Blood
*
Some EE/Ringing is visible

Tears Of The Sun
*
Some minor EE and very minor artifacting

Total Recall(UK and European Editions)
*Around 10% of the film comprises of optical shots and all the optical shots have suffered DNR
*Some scratch removal has removed objects although mostly invisible in motion
*Generally a decent transfer but for the above issues


Unforgiven
*
Some minor EE

Untitled: Almost Famous The Bootleg Cut
*
Some minor EE

X2
*Temporal DNR issues

2001 A Space Odyssey
*Edge enhancement/Ringing issues

30 Days Of Night
*
Some minor EE


3:10 To Yuma
*
Film like but contains aliasing ( jaggies )




Medium Issues With Transfer To Blu Ray
Titles on this list will have more noticeable issues and these will be more frequent and annoying


Play Time
*Shot in 65mm - Possible that they used the 35mm prints for this release and that grain reduction has been applied as there is a lack of detail in the image
*Edge enhancement evident throughout the transfer


Angel Heart

*At times there is an unnatural looking grain structure probably due to compression artifacts or sharpening applied to the transfer
*Sharpening applied to transfer


Die Another Day
*Edge enhancement ringing plagues all medium and long distance camera shot scenes and is on both sides of objects and people

The Wild Bunch
*Edge enhancement resulting in halo's around people and objects
*The film has either had DNR applied or the VC-1 codec has been used with a low bitrate resulting in a slightly smoothed over grain reduced look

The Terminator
*Temporal DNR issues
*Click here for further information and screenshots regarding the issues with this film



Must be Director or Cinematographer approved changes to be on the list below - These are recommended viewing
Film Has Changed Significantly From It's Theatrical Presentation



Blade Runner - The Final Cut
*Color timing changes made by the director Ridley Scott

Bram Stokers Dracula
*
Color timing and contrast changes approved by director Francis Ford Coppola
*
This release will not please everyone and there is divided opinion about it

Dr No
*Film grain preserved but of a later vintage
*Fabulous detail and depth to the image and beautiful colors

*Xylons Picture Comparison Thread

*Blu Ray vs DVD Picture Comparison
*The Official AVS Forums Dr No Blu Ray Review


From Russia With Love

Goldfinger
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Some very fine film grain which does not appear to be from 1964
*Nice detailed film like image with beautiful color reproduction
*Possible ringing in some scenes

Planet Terror
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Aspect ratio changed from theatrical 2.35:1 to 1.78:1 for Blu Ray release
*Intentional scratches, hairs and specks on print to re-create the look of worn film
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The Dark Knight
*Aspect change for IMAX scenes from 1.40:1 to 1.78:1
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Edge enhancement on 35mm shot scenes

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*Click for Xylons Picture Comparison Thread

The French Connection
*Frozen grain structure in just a few scenes but otherwise grain intact
*Color timing changed by director William Friedkin for this release


The Last Emperor
*Aspect ratio changed from 2.35:1 to 2.0:1 and some EE in places
*Grain structure intact

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*Screencaps of The Last Emperor

The Matrix
*Color timing changed for the entire film to match up with the two sequels


Films on this list have no significant issues and were shot using digital camera's
The Digital Camera Film List

Apocalypto

Before The Devil Knows You're Dead
*Jaggy edges and moire patterns present throughout the movie


The Bank Job

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Cloverfield

Crank
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Crank 2 - High Voltage

Flyboys

Rachel Getting Married

RocknRolla

Sin City

Speed Racer

Superbad


Superman Returns

The Other Boleyn Girl

The Spirit

Zodiac - Import Version
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28 Days Later


Major Issues With Transfer To Blu Ray
Titles on this list will be very poor and recommendation is to rent only

A Battle Of Wits (Hong Kong Deltamac Release )
*Excessive DNR results in smearing on motion and a lack of fine detail
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Clumpy grain structure most likely due to overuse of DNR

A History Of Violence

*Excessive use of DNR
*Waxy faces and smoothed over look

American Psycho ( Lionsgate Release )
*Heavy handed application of DNR
*Ringing around sharp edges
*Even the halos have halos


Becket
*Grain structure gone AWOL due to DNR
*Persistent Halos
*Waxy faces due to aforementioned excessive DNR


Being There
*Excessive DNR
*Frozen grain structure
*Smeariness to the image


Black Rain
*Heavy grain removal which has been badly done resulting in a frozen grain structure
*Backgrounds are filled with static frozen grain patterns


Boondock Saints
*Excessive DNR
*Edge Enhancement
*Mushy appearance similar to Dark City


Con Air
*There are often thick edge halos in combination with a significantly smoothed, plastic look


Dark City
*Excessive DNR and edge enhancement
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Dirty Dancing
*Excessive DNR and EE and a very processed look to the image

Face-Off
*Excessive DNR
*Import versions also have excess edge enhancement

First Blood
*Excessive DNR

El Cid
*Waxy looking images
*Strange colors
*Looks like it was filmed with vaseline over the lens
*Fine grain structure largely absent
*Lacking high definition detail


Escape From New York
*An upconvert from a 480p master with excessive edge enhancement
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Evil Dead II
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Excessive DNR resulting in waxy faces
*Contrast and Color changes
*Original THX release looks better and more detailed than the Blu Ray

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Gangs Of New York
*Excessive DNR and edge enhancement
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Gladiator
*Excessive processing used including digital scratch removal tools which have erased arrows and fireballs in part of the opening battle scene
*Excessive DNR in many scenes
*Edge enhancement applied to the image - This is a sharpening tool which should never ever be used for high definition content and it results in halo's around people and objects and is very ugly to watch

*Scenes from the extended edition on the disc look very good and show what might have been if Paramount and Universal didn't go all cheap on us
*One of the worst examples of digital scratch removal tools used on Gladiator
*My article on Gladiator at top website Digg


Gulliver's Travels
*Cropped from original 1.37:1 aspect ratio
*Very excessive DNR
*Dot Crawl and quality looks no better than VHS

*Click For Pictures Of The Worst Blu Ray Ever

La Haine
*Major EE issues
*Blocking in many scenes
*DNR applied


Near Dark

*Excessive use of DNR
*Liberal sprinkling of EE
*Some blocking in many scenes


Once Upon A Time In China - Wong Fei Hung
*Considered to be an upconvert
*Grain reduced and lacking detail
*Edge enhancement throughout the film's running time
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Patton
*Excessive DNR
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Police Story
*Considered to be an upconvert and not a proper HD release
*Noise in the image which should not be confused with grain
*Edge enhancement issues throughout the films running time
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Priceless ( Hors De Prix )
*Terrible compression issues
*Heavy use of DNR
*Edge enhancement
*Not at all film like despite being shot anamorphically in 35mm


Predator - Ultimate Hunter Edition
*Excessive DNR
*The Waxworks edition of the film

Pulp Fiction ( Denmark Release )
*Automated dirt and scratch removal tools affect image quality and show up artifacts noticeable during playback in some scenes
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Excessive DNR
*Mouseover comparison between Pulp Fiction France and Denmark releases

Requiem For A Dream - Alliance Canadian Release
*Soft undetailed image
*Washed out looking print with dull colors
*Overall a very poor looking release

Top Gun
*Heavy grain removal
*Frozen grain structure
*Backgrounds are filled with static grain patterns


The Fall Of The Roman Empire
*Waxy looking images
*Strange colors
*Looks like it was filmed with vaseline over the lens
*Fine grain structure largely absent
*Lacking high definition detail


The Forty Year Old Virgin
*Excessive DNR

The Last Starfighter
*Excessive DNR
*Color timing issues


The Longest Day
*Excessive DNR
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The Manchurian Candidate
*Heavy grain reduction applied
*Results in a frozen grain structure
*Backgrounds are filled with static frozen grain patterns


The Ninth Gate
*Smeary motion
*Highly processed looking
*Lacking in detail


The Untouchables
*Heavy grain reduction applied
*Results in a frozen grain structure
*Backgrounds are filled with static frozen grain patterns


The Sixth Sense
*Excessive DNR - Pasty looking faces
*European version retains the grain structure and looks much better

The Truman Show
*Excessive DNR and EE
*Image stretched horizontally resulting in people looking shorter and fatter
*
The Truman Show Blu Ray vs HD TV Comparison Thread

Trading Places
*Excessive DNR

Salò o le 120 giornate di Sodoma ( Salo )
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DNR and EE
*A very unfilmlike processed video look
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Saw III
*Excessive DNR throughout the films running time

Scary Movie
*Excessive DNR and edge enhancement
*It's scary that this was deemed good enough for Blu Ray

Star Trek III - The Search For Spock
*Grain structure mostly obliterated resulting in waxy faces
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Contrast boosted image results in poor shadow detail
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Any grain left is of the frozen grain type
*Occasional ringing in some scenes

Star Trek IV - The Voyage Home
*Waxy looking undetailed transfer
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Very processed looking image

Star Trek 6 - The Undiscovered Country

*Probably taken from an old 1080i master as aliasing ( jaggies ) visible on many scenes
*Pasty looking faces possibly due to makeup on an aging cast

Zulu - UK Edition
*Excessive DNR and EE
*Screencap of Zulu - Once open click to enlarge
*Screencap of Zulu - Once open click to enlarge
*Screencap of Zulu - Once open click to enlarge



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The titles of this thread, and the original tier thread may be confusing.

Recommend to change the tier thread title to "BR Demo Material Thread", and this thread title to something which refects the rankings based on the accuracy of the transfer, directors intent.
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I say No Country For Old Men and There Will Be Blood are excellent examples as well as Juno.
I'm glad you did this and hopefully it will stay on topic and not turn into a mudslinging orgy.
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Smart and effective move rather than posting in the PQ Tier Thread. However I will post on both threads.

In-case of Blade Runner only the Final CUT remains true to the original directors intent

Add the below titles to the "original directors intent" list.

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Troy Director's Cut
The Descent
Ocean's Eleven
Ocean's Twelve
Ocean's Thirteen
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Payback D.C

In-fact you can add all D.C titles.

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Yes. Troy was supervised by the director Wolfgang Petersen and is said to reflect his intentions. It may not be ranked as a top candidate in the PQ tier thread but may certainly qualify as a top contender for the upcoming yet-to-be-named tier thread.

Whether Wolfgang Petersen has watched the BD or not is a completely different story.

If you watch the National Treasure movies on BD you will discover that Diane Kruger's skin actually has pores, something you would never know from Troy DC.
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Passage to India has grain intact. Not sure about EE. There might be some.
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If you watch the National Treasure movies on BD you will discover that Diane Kruger's skin actually has pores, something you would never know from Troy DC.

I thought Brad Pitt's pores were quite evident on Troy DC.

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No offense. I am getting confused here. How different do you want this thread to be the from EE/DNR sticky thread maintained and managed by expert mhafner ?

Seconded. I'm not really understanding the intent here. Assuming mhafner's thread catches all EE/DNR, what would separate this list from everything not on his list?

Except for something like Crank where EE appears to be directors' intent.
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If you want a great example of a movie that still has the original grain, and no apparent DNR, I submit David Lean's A Passage to India.


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Black Hawk Down and Casino Royale both look excellent. But alot of my friends think they are too grainy...I happen to like the grain, gives it a gritty quality.
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As I mentioned in the "Longest Day" thread, I think the critical concept is accuracy. How accurately does the BD reproduce the source material?

Obviously, when discussing archival film-restoration projects, one must either make inferences or rely on expert sources; most of us will not have seen the original source material in its pristine state, 30 or 50 or 70 years ago, or remember it accurately if we did.

But it's not that hard to assess if you know what properly projected film actually looks like. Compare Patton to The Sand Pebbles, and it's easy to judge which one looks more like a beautifully restored print being correctly projected in a well-maintained theater.

But the same standard can be applied to current films, although here one comes up against the sorry truth that there are very few well-maintained theaters that maintain correct projection standards.

If we need a new thread, I suggest perhaps its purtpose should simply be to rank BDs on the basis of how accurately we believe they reproduce the original look of the material.

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Don't we have some industry insiders here that can provide comparison shots of a movie with DNR and the same movie without DNR - an unofficial clip or something.

And as for a thread rating blu-rays on "intent"... unless the director is here to tell us, we don't know squat about what was intended. For that matter unless we have access to the master, we don't even know how to judge if a blu-ray is true to the master.

I'm all for educating people on grain and film making, but until you can give some side by side comparisons, I think the masses are going to prefer the video-like feel.
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Good thread!

Black Hawk down
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Pirates of the caribbean 1 & 2
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The Devil's Rejects and both 28 Days/28 weeks later.
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Babel
There Will Be Blood
No Country for Old Men
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This is a cool idea, but who or how do we determine what something was supposed to look like? Many older films have not been seen in the theater in years.... does everyone REALLY remember how the film looked grain-wise and such? That seems like a reach to me.

Its too bad that databases like IMDB dont have theatrical picture quality information. Im serious....they could have entries like: Heavy grain film-stock used, Shot on Panavision with minimal grain, Color pallette tilted towards blue, Diffused lighting used for many scenes, etc, etc.

That would really clear up many of these debates. All too often, the newbies simply hate any transfer that doesnt look like "I, Robot" and the old-school film geeks seem to spare/excuse every bad transfer with the "its supposed to be grainy and look like crap" argument.

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I feel that I should mention Dirty Harry, given it's incredibly film like appearance and grain retention. I'm not sure about the colors however, they look heavily pumped up in certain areas.
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The Devil's Rejects and both 28 Days/28 weeks later.

28 Days was shot on video, no film grain there
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28 Days was shot on video, no film grain there

I think he is saying that it accurately reflects the film makers intent.

Of course it looks so crappy to begin with, who cares that it reflects the original source in this case?


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Would it be presumptuous to put Lawrence of Arabia on this list before I've actually seen it on Blu Ray?
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Much of the movie looks filmlike for sure; however, the scenes inside the Daily Planet look DNR'd to me as they are devoid of grain and detail. Anyone else?

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Would it be presumptuous to put Lawrence of Arabia on this list before I've actually seen it on Blu Ray?



Yes?

It isn't even on Blu-ray yet. But it does appear that Sony is delaying it's release to make sure that they get it right, which is fine with me!


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Im definatly going to second Troy and 300
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I'm asking for help and opinions on how to make this thread work thats all. I think there is scope for a thread which deals with artistic intent. Perhaps this thread isn't wanted ( I don't know but thought it worth a shot )

IMO there is a scope for a thread that sets it apart from the Tier Thread and the DNR/EE thread. And there is a group of people here that want it (although none of them wanted to create it when it was suggested to them way back when, so I don't know how much help they'll be).

However, you'll need a few things that are hard to come by in order to make a comprehensive list: people with first or second hand knowledge of what the director's intent is. And #2, a method for distinguishing what makes one movie "more" true to the director's intent than another.

The only other scope I could see for a thread like this is an artistic style discussion thread. Not a tier thread with rankings, so to speak. Rather a thread that focuses on the more stylized films out there and the effect it has (and what it's going for) on the movie's transfer to blu-ray. Including, but not limited to, the type of cameras used, lenses, film stock, etc etc etc.

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Just so I'm clear on this, are you saying EE is true to the original director's intent? I haven't seen discussion on this in a while, but didn't the BD have some EE still present?

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IMO there is a scope for a thread that sets it apart from the Tier Thread and the DNR/EE thread. And there is a group of people here that want it (although none of them wanted to create it when it was suggested to them way back when, so I don't know how much help they'll be).

However, you'll need a few things that are hard to come by in order to make a comprehensive list: people with first or second hand knowledge of what the director's intent is. And #2, a method for distinguishing what makes one movie "more" true to the director's intent than another.

The only other scope I could see for a thread like this is an artistic style discussion thread. Not a tier thread with rankings, so to speak. Rather a thread that focuses on the more stylized films out there and the effect it has (and what it's going for) on the movie's transfer to blu-ray. Including, but not limited to, the type of cameras used, lenses, film stock, etc etc etc.

My 2 cents.

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That post was worth a lot more than 2 cents Brandon!

I agree with everything you have said, and it really points out the difficulty in having this type of reference thread.

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Just so I'm clear on this, are you saying EE is true to the original director's intent? I haven't seen discussion on this in a while, but didn't the BD have some EE still present?

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Yes, it does.


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Just so I'm clear on this, are you saying EE is true to the original director's intent? I haven't seen discussion on this in a while, but didn't the BD have some EE still present?

Brandon

I have seen both in the theater and will say that both were very accurate representations of what was presented. As far as Edge Enhancement goes, I cannot say for sure as I did not oversee the transfer. I do know that 70mm is a lot sharper and even more detailed than what most people are accustomed to viewing.
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I have seen both in the theater and will say that both were very accurate representations of what was presented. As far as Edge Enhancement goes, I cannot say for sure as I did not oversee the transfer. I do know that 70mm is a lot sharper and even more detailed than what most people are accustomed to viewing.

Edge Enhancement does not add detail, so I am not sure what the point is about 70mm being a lot sharper or more detailed than what most people are accustomed to.


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28 Days was shot on video, no film grain there

I thought the point of this thread is to highlight the discs that represent the director's intent,no?
Then 28 Days Later fits the bill.....
Or am I missing something here?
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