Originally Posted by Art Sonneborn
Being a projectionist and seeing that several here used grain as a technique to focus where is it in these presentations ?
I've personally never seen film projected that had no grain. This includes every IMAX I've ever seen.
I believe that these films both are poster children for similar heavy handed work as Citizen Kane.
Citizen Kane is very unacceptable no doubt about it. Even the folks who did it will agree with you. I actually prefer my Criterion LD to the offending DVD in terms of being like the 35mm prints I have seen. [Beware: everything that we have for Kane is several generations from the original. The camera negative was destroyed in a fire.]
As to Patton, I am not sure, I would have to take another look. I hope to see the film in 70mm again soon, the new Fox print has been very well received. My recollection is that the grain was mimimal and there was more detail by a long shot. But I like some things about the Blu-ray.
As to The Longest Day, I stand by my claim that I like the Blu-ray and that it may well be close to the best-possible just as it is.
This grain issue is complicated. Many older films just have a lot of grain, especially when it is inconsistent. Certainly in some films (e.g., the gritty 70's dramas) grain is part of the presentation, but not always.
As an example, The Robe (the first CinemaScope picture released) was very grainy in its original theatrical release (which I saw 1 year late), it is well known that Fox was very unhappy with the film stocks at the time. Should we improve The Robe if it can be done or leave it as it is? I don't know.