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While they are it i hope Scary Movie gets a recall too.

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I know it's a different company (Disney) but I think the recent "Gangs OF New York" is pretty bad as well and needs to be recalled.

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Way to go, Robert Harris. I agree. At least offer some kind of fix and an exchange program.

GANGS is way worse than PATTON.

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Robert Harris has posted on HTF that he is formally requesting that Fox RECALL Patton and The Longest Day.

Wow !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Fantastic !!!

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While they are it i hope Scary Movie gets a recall too.

Nothing wrong with recalls, but I dont put Scary movie in the same group as Patton and Longest day.

2 is classic movies that should be presented the best possible way. The other is a funny movie, that did get a terrible release, but put the money on new releases instead.
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Nothing wrong with recalls, but I dont put Scary movie in the same group as Patton and Longest day.

2 is classic movies that should be presented the best possible way. The other is a funny movie, that did get a terrible release, but put the money on new releases instead.

Yeah, in a perfect world all shoddy BD releases would be recalled. Asking for just one BD to be recalled for its excessive post-processing is a bit of a stretch. Requesting a recall for the BDs of Patton and The Longest Day, two statement titles in classic cinema, is a sufficient start.
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And the point being that there be a call to see what was done and know it is unacceptable so in the future releases generally aren't treated like Patton and The Longest Day were.

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And the point being that there be a call to see what was done and know it is unacceptable so in the future releases generally aren't treated like Patton and The Longest Day were.

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Im doing my part and dont buy thoose 2 movies.
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I honestly dont see why this DNR or grain removal is such a big deal. If a movie can be improved upon the original why not do it ? Same goes for soundtrack as well. I would buy a classic 69 vette in a second if it had modern air conditioning, gas mileage and most importantly safety features. Food and popcorn was not initially cooked in microwaves, original beer had no bubbles, ............ breast implants on any girl are a terrible idea....It was not natures intention for them to be any bigger.

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The Golden Compass non-DNR version


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Robert Harris has posted on HTF that he is formally requesting that Fox RECALL Patton and The Longest Day.

I hate the plastic look on Patton as much as anyone else, but what exactly is a "formal" request for a recall? Is this a petition to the Consumer Product Safety Commission or the Federal Trade Commission?
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I hate the plastic look on Patton as much as anyone else, but what exactly is a "formal" request for a recall? Is this a petition to the Consumer Product Safety Commission or the Federal Trade Commission?


I think he simply took this to the next level and put in a request to an executive at Fox to recall the product. I don't think Mr. Harris has taken this to the feds yet...


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I think he simply took this to the next level and put in a request to an executive at Fox to recall the product. I don't think Mr. Harris has taken this to the feds yet...

Was this his recall post? (now deleted)

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/...ml#post3403794

Meanwhile, he pulled his column on DNR that was on the digitalbits:

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articl...ris062408.html

And his Patton review on HTF:

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/...n-blu-ray.html

See also:

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/...eads-gone.html

Hopefully not a case of "Don't bite the hand that feeds you". He seems to imply (from last thread) the point has been made on the disc in question and the posts are no longer necessary.
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Meanwhile, he pulled his column on DNR that was on the digitalbits:

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articl...ris062408.html

And his Patton review on HTF:

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/...n-blu-ray.html

See also:

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/...eads-gone.html

Hopefully not a case of "Don't bite the hand that feeds you". He seems to imply (from last thread) the point has been made on the disc in question and the posts are no longer necessary.

Thats a bit disturbing.....Why pull such a fantastic article ?
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They made him an offer he couldn't refuse? That's the only logical reason. If he pulled the articles because he wants to be nice to the studios then that's pretty lame.
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I haven't read the recent HTF threads and I may be too optimistic, but it seems that Fox got Robert Harris' message and have taken it under advisement.
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Or they threatened to DNR him.

The articles should still stand. Fox isn't the only offender.
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I would hope that he has reached out to the other major studios as well. He worked rather closely with Paramount on The Godfather restorations, so perhaps they learned a thing or two on how to treat the mastering of catalog titles for BD release.
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In the next exhibit...

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I just thought I would throw up my thoughts about Patton having viewed the BD. Actually I viewed it a while back and just never posted my thoughts.

I know pretty much everything has been said that can be said about it, but I'll still say something.

Much like The Longest Day, I found this hard to watch because of the DNR. It's incredibly distracting because the whole time I kept thinking to myself, "I wonder what this scene would look like without DNR."

It really just wastes George Scott's performance which is really one of the all time great performances in film.

I really hope that Fox has the decency to remaster this along with The Longest Day because these are two of the best war films out there that are just completed ruined by the waxy appearance. Is hoping that Fox does the right thing by creating a new master hoping for too much?

On another note, after seeing this BD, it just increases my desire to see Patton in 70mm. I don't suppose anyone knows if there are any theaters in the NY/NJ area that show older films in 70mm?
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I'm hoping and praying to see PATTON in 70mm some day soon.

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I'm hoping and praying to see PATTON in 70mm some day soon.

You're in for a treat. Patton in 70 mm is gorgeous. I laugh at anyone who would say something like "it looks good for an older film", because NO HD presentation can equal it.
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I laugh at anyone who would say something like "it looks good for an older film", because NO HD presentation can equal it.

This has to in the running for most ignorant comments ever on the subject and it is also a pet peeve of mine - everybody who has ever watched a good 70mm movie knows that. It is especially embarassing if you read this in a review of a large format movie on HDM or even DVD - it is a sure sign that it is not really smart to expect anything worthwhile from reading it.
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On another note, after seeing this BD, it just increases my desire to see Patton in 70mm. I don't suppose anyone knows if there are any theaters in the NY/NJ area that show older films in 70mm?

Not looking good for your area.
You can go here to see what is to be screened in 70mm worldwide:
http://www.in70mm.com/now_showing/index.htm

It seems that most 70mm screenings in the US are on the west coast.
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On another note, after seeing this BD, it just increases my desire to see Patton in 70mm. I don't suppose anyone knows if there are any theaters in the NY/NJ area that show older films in 70mm?

It looks like the Loew's Jersey in Jersey City may finally
be installing the 70mm equipment they acquired sometime ago:

http://www.loewsjersey.org/

Farther afield, I've been trying to convince the ownership of the Senator Theater in Baltimore to do
a 70mm festival, to no avail:

http://www.senator.com/mb/viewmessag...m=13&Topic=211

The AFI Silver in Silver Spring, Md. occasionally does
70mm (they've shown "Lawrence of Arabia" in 70 a number of times - in fact they're doing it again next
month as part of a David Lean retrospective. Interestingly, they're showing "Ryan's Daughter", which
reportedly looks great in 70mm - in digital!):

http://www.afi.com/silver/new/default.aspx

The Ziegfeld in NYC, where I saw "Lawrence of Arabia"
in its original restoration showing in 1989 (one of my top
five movie-going experiences - complete with stunning
70mm print, Overture and Intermission music, no
commercials or pre-film junk of any kind, and two sets
of curtains - one of which opened for the Overture!)
doesn't appear to do any 70 any more.


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The Ziegfeld has switched to digital. One can hope they still have the ability to do 70mm.

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I have suspected for some time that the HD master created for the re-released DVD was the source for this. The overuse of EE was even noticable on THAT edition (which was inferior in many respects to--even with mpeg issues on the-- original DVD.

I'm hoping that FOx will see the error of their ways (I doubt it) and redo this without the plasticine look apparent from the over use of DNR and EE. One can always be hopeful.

I also found it disappointing that given the $$ of this that they chose to issue the second disc of supplements as a DVD.

Given the overuse of NN in the audio realm, the use of DNR is similar--it robs a film of its character and it loses much of the special qualities that the cinematographer and director intended.
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I have suspected for some time that the HD master created for the re-released DVD was the source for this. The overuse of EE was even noticable on THAT edition (which was inferior in many respects to--even with mpeg issues on the-- original DVD.

the EE on the DVD and the BR version look different, which is understandable as for the BR a new 4k master was made from 65mm elements.
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The Ziegfeld has switched to digital. One can hope they still have the ability to do 70mm.

Robert A Harris was already very unhappy with the Ziegfield back in 91 when they premiered the restored Spartacus - even then they had started to slip and the presentation was not as it should have been.
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