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Even Black and White classic films are butchered with excessive DNR Who the frak is in charge over there! Will someone please talk to these people? Who is making these decisions? Did they even try and watch the HD DVD Casablanca?

A travesty. The best I can come up with this release along with Patton. A rental at best.

That is all.


Note: The DVD versions are NOT the benchmark here anymore. Its how the movie is faithfully transferred to the disc.


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Title                                                              Codec   Length  Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track                          Secondary Audio Track
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The Longest Day                                                      AVC     2:58:22 39,626,440,704  40,765,784,136  29.62   23.40   DTS-HD Master 5.1 3318Kbps (48kHz/24-bit) DD AC3 4.0 448Kbps


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Length:         2:58:22 (h:m:s)
Total Bitrate:  29.62 Mbps
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00006.M2TS      39,626,440,704  2:58:22         0:00:00         2:58:22         

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Codec               Bitrate         Description     
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MPEG-4 AVC Video    23398 kbps      1080p / 23.976fps

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DTS-HD Master Audio             English         3318 kbps       5.1 / 48kHz / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 1536kbps)
Dolby Digital Audio             English         448 kbps        4.0 / 48kHz     
Dolby Digital Audio             English         224 kbps        2.0 / 48kHz     
Dolby Digital Audio             English         224 kbps        2.0 / 48kHz     
Dolby Digital Audio             French          224 kbps        2.0 / 48kHz     
Dolby Digital Audio             Spanish         224 kbps        2.0 / 48kHz
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HOLY CRAP! It looks like animation!
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Look at backgrounds. I don't know how to describe it.
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Presented for the first time ever in Claymation!

Holy crap is right. What the HELL is this abomination? 39GB of wasted space.
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Looks like I should hang on to my sd version, after all.
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Thanks for the screenshots you've posted.

I actually did a double take on the BD capture of John Wayne...I actually thought for a split second I was looking at a painting.

Incredibly disappointing.

The picture just looks too artificially cleaned up.
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Woah! Looks like someone put it through the "mosaic" or "painting" filter in photoshop!
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Thanks for posting these pics!

It's very easy to see the effects of excessive DNR in these B&W shots. They look so soft, when they should be very sharp.

I mean, just look at the BRD shot of the helmet and how soft the netting looks. That netting is IN FOCUS. The only reason it's fuzzy and not razor sharp is because of the DNR.

This is one of the worst cases I've seen. It's also the first time I can honestly say I prefer the DVD shots. The DVD obviously has lower resolution and therefore is soft and blurry by comparison, but at least it doesn't look like animation. Seriously, that BRD transfer reminds me of "A Scanner Darkly."
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The BRD seems to be cropped slightly on the left side of the second shot, not that it matters.
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not only is the helmet net soft and lacking in detail but look at the sand... even wet sand wouldn't look glass smooth

fox is pissing all over these films with DNR then demanding a higher MSRP? i wouldn't even rent this
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Cell shading cool !
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As bad as Patton is,compared to the work the DNR junkies who got a hold of The Longest Day managed, it was amateur hour.

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They finally managed to CGI John Wayne. Actually the shot reminds me of those adverts where we get modern people mixing with old stars....I think it was a drinks ad that did that but it has that artifical fake look.

I can only guess that they think folks with modern 40 and 50 inch 120hz sets will love the look of these and to hell with any film fans (that's film fans with standards )
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Is it possible that these are the old DVD masters and were already DNR'd with DVD's lower resolution in mind? I get the impression that people here are assuming these were all-new transfers and that the DNR was intended for the BD.
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I really enjoyed watching my copy of this Blu-ray.
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Is it possible that these are the old DVD masters and were already DNR'd with DVD's lower resolution in mind? I get the impression that people here are assuming these were all-new transfers meant for BD.

Patton was a brand new transfer.

Same with The Longest Day.

It was just a major error on the part of those involved in creating the new HD master.
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Well, if that's true and these are all-new transfers, then the outrage is justified. Unfortunately, I own both of them.
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Man, those Fox compressionists keep falling short of the mark. If they try just a little bit harder next time, maybe they'll finally get one looking just like A Scanner Darkly - maybe their rotoscope is broken...
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this is one mushy mess, nasty!

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They finally managed to CGI John Wayne. Actually the shot reminds me of those adverts where we get modern people mixing with old stars....I think it was a drinks ad that did that but it has that artificial fake look.

I can only guess that they think folks with modern 40 and 50 inch 120hz sets will love the look of these and to hell with any film fans (that's film fans with standards )

Yep. It's like the colorization trend but worse. At least with that you could turn the color down to off on your set. Here, there is no escape. The "toon"ing of film.
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Woah! Looks like someone put it through the "mosaic" or "painting" filter in photoshop!

I knew it!
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Presented for the first time ever in Claymation!

Holy crap is right. What the HELL is this abomination? 39GB of wasted space.

Now don't let the bitrate watchers read that
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As bad as Patton is,compared to the work the DNR junkies who got a hold of The Longest Day managed, it was amateur hour.

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I really can't explain what they did to this movie. I always assume that these people are at least knowledgeable in film restoration.

I tell you they are dumbing this down to the PS3 demographic
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not only is the helmet net soft and lacking in detail but look at the sand... even wet sand wouldn't look glass smooth

fox is pissing all over these films with DNR then demanding a higher MSRP? i wouldn't even rent this


It boggles my bind.
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Man, those Fox compressionists keep falling short of the mark. If they try just a little bit harder next time, maybe they'll finally get one looking just like A Scanner Darkly - maybe their rotoscope is broken...

It has nothing to do with the compression.

If I'm not mistaken, the folks at Lowry Digital were the ones who did the new HD masters for Patton and The Longest Day.

From what I understand about Lowry, they are one, if not the only film restoration house that currently has the equipment to perform DNR, yet leave high frequency information intact in the picture of a film. While this certainly is bad, it's not as bad as the whole Citizen Kane restoration that occurred almost 10 years ago. They do excellent work for the most part. Unfortunately in this particular instance what I can surmise is that whoever was applying the DNR was not careful to make sure the high frequency information was retained. The blame also falls on Fox for accepting the finished product. But Fox probably figured most would not care about it, and if that is the case, AVS has proven them right for the most part thanks for various individuals here.
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First off, I think Fox did an amazing job at making sure the print was pristine and crisp. But like you said it has been DNRed which I disagree with. A quick question, how recent is the DVD? Is it the same master or an older one? Because to my eye it looks like it may have been DNRed as well which makes the comparison difficult for me.If both have had DNR applied, I think the Blu ray is a much superior DNR mess than the DVD.

Oh ya, the reason the Helmet mesh is soft is because the focus is on the seaweed, don t ask me why
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