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If there is a gun pointed at my head and asked to choose which one is Blu-ray or HD DVD, there is a 50% chance that I will survive

Its that close in terms of PQ and AQ. But using screenshots we will be able to see the difference. Including cropping and resizing at 200%. I won't be including the DVD version this time.

What you get here is less artifacts (visible only and discernable by looking at the screenshots) on Blu-ray but more pronounced EE . EE is visible on both formats. Blu-ray has a new encode with higher bitrate 23.30 mbps compared to HD DVD at 17.00 mbps. DNR is added and more pronounced in some scenes.

No major difference in PQ.

For the first time I made some serious attempt at comparing sound quality and it convinces me that I would rather leave that to people with audiophile ears with equipment to match it. I only have a Paradigm monitor 7 with CC-390 center speaker and pair of ADP-390 for rear and side speaker surrounds. Even with that speaker setup I can't really distinguish which one is better. Although the DTS-MA track from Blu-ray is tad bit louder (?) Is that better? Bear in mind my opinion on the AQ only applies to this title.

If we are going to see any worthwhile improvements it wil be a remastering. There is still dust and specks here and there. And the complete removal of EE.

In the end the higher bitrate and lossless sound will give the Blu-ray version the edge. Regardless if its discernible or not. If both versions were released at the same time, I will choose Blu-ray.

HD DVD File size: 20 GB

Bitrate: 17.00 mbps



Blu-ray File size: 26.40 GB

Bitrate: 23.30 mbps



Code:
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Title                                                           Codec   Length  Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track                          Secondary Audio Track
-----                                                           ------  ------- --------------  --------------  ------- ------- ------------------                        ---------------------
The Mummy                                                       VC-1    2:04:53 31,593,603,072  35,810,635,675  33.73   23.30   DTS-HD Master 5.1 4649Kbps (48kHz/24-bit) DTS-HD Hi-Res 2.0 192Kbps

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:           00007.mpls
Size:           31,593,603,072 bytes
Length:         2:04:53 (h:m:s)
Total Bitrate:  33.73 Mbps
Description:    

FILES:

Name            Size            Length          Time In         Time Out        
----            ----            ------          -------         --------        
00000.M2TS      31,593,603,072  2:04:53.235     0:00:00.000     2:04:53.235     

VIDEO:

Codec               Bitrate         Description     
-----               -------         -----------     
VC-1 Video          23301 kbps      1080p / 23.976fps
VC-1 Video          1421 kbps       480p / 23.976fps

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
DTS-HD Master Audio             English         4649 kbps       5.1 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 4649kbps (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 1536kbps)
DTS Audio                       French          768 kbps        5.1 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 768kbps
DTS Audio                       Spanish         768 kbps        5.1 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 768kbps
Dolby Digital Audio             English         192 kbps        2.0 / 48kHz / 192kbps
Dolby Digital Audio             English         192 kbps        2.0 / 48kHz / 192kbps
Dolby Digital Audio             English         192 kbps        2.0 / 48kHz / 192kbps
DTS-HD Audio                    English         192 kbps        2.0 / 48kHz / 192kbps

SUBTITLES:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Presentation Graphics           English         27 kbps                         
Presentation Graphics           French          20 kbps                         
Presentation Graphics           French          1 kbps                          
Presentation Graphics           Spanish         19 kbps                         
Presentation Graphics           Spanish         1 kbps                          

CHAPTERS:

Number          Time            Name                            
------          ----            ----                            
1               0:00:00.000     Chapter 1                       
2               0:07:10.596     Chapter 2                       
3               0:12:19.196     Chapter 3                       
4               0:23:19.689     Chapter 4                       
5               0:29:03.283     Chapter 5                       
6               0:36:46.204     Chapter 6                       
7               0:43:38.866     Chapter 7                       
8               0:49:06.568     Chapter 8                       
9               0:53:34.127     Chapter 9                       
10              0:57:29.612     Chapter 10                      
11              1:11:13.310     Chapter 11                      
12              1:18:48.265     Chapter 12                      
13              1:27:29.577     Chapter 13                      
14              1:30:03.940     Chapter 14                      
15              1:36:32.828     Chapter 15                      
16              1:43:58.899     Chapter 16                      
17              1:49:44.828     Chapter 17                      
18              1:56:52.088     Chapter 18                      
19              2:04:52.985     Chapter 19                      

STREAM DIAGNOSTICS:

File            PID             Type            Seconds         Bytes           Packets         Bitrate         
----            ---             ----            -------         -----           -------         -------         
00000.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0xEA            7493.24         21,824,944,735  118,722,507     23300.96        
00000.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x86            7493.24         4,354,896,096   24,835,802      4649.42         
00000.M2TS      4353 (0x1101)   0x82            7493.24         719,350,784     4,214,946       768.00          
00000.M2TS      4354 (0x1102)   0x82            7493.24         719,350,784     4,214,946       768.00          
00000.M2TS      4355 (0x1103)   0x81            7493.24         179,837,952     1,170,820       192.00          
00000.M2TS      4356 (0x1104)   0x81            7493.24         179,837,952     1,170,820       192.00          
00000.M2TS      4608 (0x1200)   0x90            7493.24         25,390,479      146,689         27.11           
00000.M2TS      4609 (0x1201)   0x90            7493.24         17,358,355      100,600         18.53           
00000.M2TS      4610 (0x1202)   0x90            7493.24         18,923,234      109,459         20.20           
00000.M2TS      4611 (0x1203)   0x90            7493.24         472,150         2,769           0.50            
00000.M2TS      4612 (0x1204)   0x90            7493.24         569,007         3,354           0.61            
00000.M2TS      4357 (0x1105)   0x81            7493.24         179,837,952     1,170,820       192.00          
00000.M2TS      6912 (0x1B00)   0xEA            7493.24         1,330,565,316   7,381,705       1420.55         
00000.M2TS      6656 (0x1A00)   0xA2            7493.24         179,836,928     1,053,732       192.00
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That is it for now. Close ups and "money shots" later And I know what screenshot you guys want to see
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I bet it's going to have the same EE, occasional DNR, and white specks, but better compression. Blu-ray FTW.
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I bet it's going to have the same EE, occasional DNR, and white specks, but better compression. Blu-ray FTW.

May be when both encodes are reported to be minted from the same master with a little bit of tweaking. If the comparison pix shows no major differences I won't be purchasing these movies.

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just as I imagined, the BD has a slightly finer grain structure, which is splendid, same master obviously

you can see VC1's slight motion blur in effect on the last zoom in shot with the guy falling from the camel, as well as the slight grain reduction I already mentioned

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Thanks Xylon for saving my $$$. Will stay away from both movies. Also let's keep in mind that both Mummy titles are ranked too low even in the HD DVD PQ thread.

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If the DTS HD-MA track is a noticable improvement, I'll replace the HD-DVD when there's a really good sale for Universal titles.
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just as I imagined, the BD has a slightly finer grain structure, which is splendid, same master obviously

you can see VC1's slight motion blur in effect on the last zoom in shot with the guy falling from the camel, as well as the slight grain reduction I already mentioned

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Thanks Xylon.

So far I'm on "keep hd dvd" mode. The blu-ray appears ever-so-slightly better, but I doubt I could tell without mouseovers and careful examination.

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"Transparent to the master"

The differences are interesting. VC-1's softening plays with the contrast so the AVC encode has more "pop" in certain areas. I'd post a waggle mouseover link but the frames aren't lined up exact. The BRD is a few pixels lower.
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"Transparent to the master"

The differences are interesting. VC-1's softening plays with the contrast so the AVC encode has more "pop" in certain areas. I'd post a waggle mouseover link but the frames aren't lined up exact. The BRD is a few pixels lower.

I thought that both were VC-1....?

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Doh, you're right. I had a flashback. Substitute AVC for lower bitrate VC-1.
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So far I'm on "keep HD DVD" mode. The Blu-ray appears ever-so-slightly better, but I doubt I could tell without mouse-overs and careful examination.

I'm with you. Also, the HD DVD cost me about $5.
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I can't believe that Universal would put out these titles on Blu that were on HD DVD and not get rid of that damn EE. I will definately keep my HD DVD copies. I think any chance of The 40 Year Old Virgin being EE free or close to it are slim and none.

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I can't believe that Universal would put out these titles on Blu that were on HD DVD and not get rid of that damn EE. I will definately keep my HD DVD copies. I think any chance of The 40 Year Old Virgin being EE free or close to it are slim and none.

Remasters cost money, the reason why they release this, is because it helps promote Mummy 3. Not that they will make large $ on the BD.

Sure EE free transfer is always nice, but the market isnt there yet.

I want my grain region free.
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I am happy to be able to get this on BD, I think Universals stuff is going to look even better on BD along with the DTS Master audio, all titles should be a upgrade, plus I sold all my HD-DVD's long ago

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I felt the opposite after viewing the above caps which looks underwhelming.

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Sure EE free transfer is always nice, but the market isnt there yet.

I think that the bigger the market for Blu Ray gets the worse the transfers will become as we will and up with DNR end edge enhanced films which are catering for the "Wow it's 25 years old and it looks just like a brand new film" crowd. I have seen comments like that with regards Patton and some other movies....If that does happen then i will not buy but unfortunately there are countless others who seem happy with mediocrity.
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I can't believe that Universal would put out these titles on Blu that were on HD DVD and not get rid of that damn EE. I will definately keep my HD DVD copies. I think any chance of The 40 Year Old Virgin being EE free or close to it are slim and none.

Agreed.

Thanks for the work, Xylon.

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i'll buy the BD if I find a cheap used copy in Paris (where I live) or during my next stay in the US, if only because I'd like to compare the BD with the HDDVD on my gear! But I won't order the BD online to have it shipped to France.

By the way, what about Mummy 2 and The Scoprion King?
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I'm trying to restrain myself here, but let me just say that more EE was not what I was hoping for for these 'remastered' movies.
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The EE is in the master. You cannot get rid of it. No different than with 2001.

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Maybe I am misunderstanding, but I don't believe this is a case of more EE being applied to the BD vs. the HD DVD. The BD is simply more 'transparent to the master', which contained a finite amount of EE. This is simply a case where the BD exposes more of the flaws in the master than the HD DVD, correct?
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Maybe I am misunderstanding, but I don't believe this is a case of more EE being applied to the BD vs. the HD DVD. The BD is simply more 'transparent to the master', which contained a finite amount of EE. This is simply a case where the BD exposes more of the flaws in the master than the HD DVD, correct?

Doesn't look that way to me, but I guess I could be wrong. I'm just so fed up with Universal's edge enhanced DVDs, seeing it on HD media just makes me depressed.

Don't get me wrong, I see the improvements over the HD-DVD, and this won't stop me enjoying the movies (they're not exactly my favorite movies anyway, so no great loss), but I hope Universal improve their catalogue releases in the future.
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The EE is in the master. You cannot get rid of it. No different than with 2001.

This is confirmed somewhere (on both counts)?

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