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oops didn't see the title Xylon! =)
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Xylon, any chance of checking out the BRD version of U-571? Could have extra DNR as well. This better not become a trend with Universal. We already have New Line, Warner and Disney to be afraid of.
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Xylon, any chance of checking out the BRD version of U-571? Could have extra DNR as well. This better not become a trend with Universal. We already have New Line, Warner and Disney to be afraid of.

I will take a look. I only have the HD DVD version for now.
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IMO the last few shots have clearly shown the hd dvd version has the edge since the blu-ray has more DNR applied. To me, the difference isn't huge but still, a shame they applied more DNR to it. I do find it funny some wonder if the hd dvd grain is just noise/artifacts (that comment about wanting less detail because of that kid's face shot was priceless) and won't just accept it is grain and the older, lower bitrate version is superior.

I have no idea how some can say the blu-ray looks better after the last 4 or so comparo shots but hey, no doubt it being the higher bitrate transfer factors into that. I am getting sick of the "high bitrate automatically means better, DNR or other issues be damned" mentality but (and I hate this word/saying soooo much) "whatever"...I for one will judge stuff on what is there not go in with a biased opinion based on a bit rate number.
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I I am getting sick of the "high bitrate automatically means better, DNR or other issues be damned" mentality but (and I hate this word/saying soooo much) "whatever"...I for one will judge stuff on what is there not go in with a biased opinion based on a bit rate number.

Who said it ? Links please.

Blu-ray : 340
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Who said it ? Links please.

Did you not catch the word "mentality" in his post?
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Did you not catch the word "mentality" in his post?

No offense to the poster but I think his mentality about other's mentality could be wrong. A high bit rate encode is preferred just to mitigate the unknown artefacts that could be spotted by people with semi-trained eyes and 20/20 vision. A typical example is macroblocking that we see in the Warner titles which occurs by not supplying sufficient bits.

Anyways I had wasted enough $ on Mummy 1 & 2 (U.K UNCUT) HD DVDs and it's a shame that Universal is continuing their notorious HD DVD trend with Blu-ray too.

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No offense to the poster but I think his mentality about other's mentality could be wrong. A high bit rate encode is preferred just to mitigate the unknown artefacts that could be spotted by people with semi-trained eyes and 20/20 vision. A typical example is macroblocking that we see in the Warner titles which occurs by not supplying sufficient bits.

1. So you asked for links to quotes that he never claimed were actually said (hence the use of the word "mentality")... why?
2. In your hurry to fire off a response, it appears that you've overlooked key parts of the post. Did you also miss the qualification "DNR or other issues be damned?"

Taking the time to make sure you understand what was written is critical when having a discussion on a forum like this. I only say this to you because in the past, you've attributed things to me that I never said and it appears you've done the same to loregnum.
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1. So you asked for links to quotes that he never claimed were actually said (hence the use of the word "mentality")... why?
2. In your hurry to fire off a response, it appears that you've overlooked key parts of the post. Did you also miss the qualification "DNR or other issues be damned?"

Reading comprehension is key when trying to have a discussion on a forum.

The "high bitrate automatically means better - biased opinion based on a bit rate number - mentality" is cultivated only by participating in discussion forums by glancing through other's posts and that cultivated mentality could be wrong.

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looks like a SMALL amount of grain was removed in the last two comparisons....not much of a difference though IMO. The sky in the background of the fight between anucksunamun and nefertitti looks brighter in the blu...
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boy this one is really close in those last couple shots, slight edge to HD

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I'm sold now, after looking at the last shots. Although close, the HD DVD is clearly better.
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The master for this title really doesn't present any challenge to the encoding limits as far as HF detail, so differences really just come down to the strength of the macroblock artifacts. In these latest samples, the artifact structure is just a smidge stronger in the hdvd, while the br remains pretty natural, given what the master brings to the table.

(I intended to post NoiseView analysis samples, but for some reason the forum is bent on reducing my jpg's to even smaller jpg's (like 10x more compression from the point I was at. So they are attached as zips that you will have to manually decompress to view.).

 

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Looks like HD-DVD is slightly better in the grain intact department!
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HD DVD still softer and grainier. Xylon, why would you keep that around when you've already "upgraded" to the Blu-ray?

Not exactly the most flattering shot for the detail level of the transfer though.
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The grain removal on The Mummy Returns Blu-ray, is a result of a new digital transfer made in 2008, when the movie was re-released on SD-DVD & made it's Blu-Ray Debut. The HD-DVD uses the same master used for the 2001 DVD & 2003 D-Theater version.
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The grain removal on The Mummy Returns Blu-ray, is a result of a new digital transfer made in 2008, when the movie was re-released on SD-DVD & made it's Blu-Ray Debut. The HD-DVD uses the same master used for the 2001 DVD & 2003 D-Theater version.

You have this on good authority?
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Most, if not all DVD, HD-DVD, & Blu-ray movies are minted from the same master. Most studios recycle the same transfers used for the SD-DVD versions for the HD versions. The HD-DVD version came out in 2007, while the Blu-Ray & SD-DVD Deluxe Edition came out in 2008 & had undergone a minor cleanup job.
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and where is your proof it was a new transfer and not them recycling the transfer yet again?

for example... terminator 2... the skynet edition is the same tired old extreme edition transfer just with some DNR and a new encode
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I own the 2001 & 2008 deluxe edition SD-DVD's of the first Mummy & they did in fact use the same transfer & added DNR. On the back of the Deluxe edition case it says "Optimally Restored For Picture & Sound Quality", so i assumed it was a new transfer, but the differences were slight when i watched them both, the 2001 & the 2008 DVD's. All they did was remove grain & added DNR to the same transfer.
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