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The DVD version is from the 1998 release.

Blu-ray letterbox File size: 35.50 GB

Bitrate: 22.09 mbps


Code:
                                                                                                                Total   Video                                             
Title                                                           Codec   Length  Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track                          Secondary Audio Track
-----                                                           ------  ------- --------------  --------------  ------- ------- ------------------                        ---------------------
How The West Was Won                                            VC-1    2:44:40 38,205,726,720  45,137,587,132  30.93   22.09   Dolby TrueHD 5.1 1467Kbps (48kHz/16-bit)  DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps


DISC INFO:

Disc Size:      45,137,587,132 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BD-Java:        No

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:           00000.mpls
Size:           38,205,726,720 bytes
Length:         2:44:40 (h:m:s)
Total Bitrate:  30.93 Mbps
Description:    

FILES:

Name            Size            Length          Time In         Time Out        
----            ----            ------          -------         --------        
00000.M2TS      38,205,726,720  2:44:40.662     0:00:00.000     2:44:40.662     

VIDEO:

Codec               Bitrate         Description     
-----               -------         -----------     
VC-1 Video          22093 kbps      1080p / 23.976fps / 16:9 / Advanced Profile 3

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Dolby TrueHD Audio              English         1467 kbps       5.1 / 48kHz / 16-bit / 1467kbps (AC3 Core: 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps)
Dolby Digital Audio             English         640 kbps        5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps
Dolby Digital Audio             French          640 kbps        5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps
Dolby Digital Audio             German          640 kbps        5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps
Dolby Digital Audio             Italian         640 kbps        5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps
Dolby Digital Audio             Spanish         640 kbps        5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps
Dolby Digital Audio             English         192 kbps        2.0 / 48kHz / 192kbps
Dolby Digital Audio             Spanish         192 kbps        1.0 / 48kHz / 192kbps

SUBTITLES:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Presentation Graphics           English         30 kbps                         
Presentation Graphics           Chinese         28 kbps                         
Presentation Graphics           Chinese         55 kbps                         
Presentation Graphics           Danish          24 kbps                         
Presentation Graphics           Dutch           27 kbps                         
Presentation Graphics           Finnish         28 kbps                         
Presentation Graphics           French          22 kbps                         
Presentation Graphics           German          32 kbps                         
Presentation Graphics           Italian         30 kbps                         
Presentation Graphics           Italian         31 kbps                         
Presentation Graphics           Japanese        24 kbps                         
Presentation Graphics           Japanese        48 kbps                         
Presentation Graphics           Norwegian       27 kbps                         
Presentation Graphics           Portuguese      29 kbps                         
Presentation Graphics           Portuguese      29 kbps                         
Presentation Graphics           Spanish         28 kbps                         
Presentation Graphics           Spanish         27 kbps                         
Presentation Graphics           Swedish         24 kbps                         

CHAPTERS:

Number          Time            Length          Avg Video Rate  Max 1-Sec Rate  Max 1-Sec Time  Max 5-Sec Rate  Max 5-Sec Time  Max 10Sec Rate  Max 10Sec Time  Avg Frame Size  Max Frame Size  Max Frame Time  
------          ----            ------          --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  
1               0:00:00.000     0:04:32.272     15,161 kbps     31,244 kbps     00:00:02.794    18,907 kbps     00:00:02.753    17,298 kbps     00:00:02.753    79,045 bytes    469,491 bytes   00:01:25.127    
2               0:04:32.272     0:03:08.188     13,980 kbps     46,455 kbps     00:04:42.491    34,245 kbps     00:04:35.150    27,245 kbps     00:04:34.649    72,886 bytes    615,700 bytes   00:06:58.460    
3               0:07:40.460     0:03:20.534     25,667 kbps     45,139 kbps     00:07:42.837    31,796 kbps     00:09:03.042    30,304 kbps     00:09:01.708    133,818 bytes   707,666 bytes   00:09:16.598    
4               0:11:00.994     0:04:24.472     27,086 kbps     37,874 kbps     00:11:46.956    33,738 kbps     00:11:44.203    32,135 kbps     00:11:44.037    141,215 bytes   625,639 bytes   00:15:23.422    
5               0:15:25.466     0:04:26.391     21,048 kbps     36,467 kbps     00:17:07.276    32,285 kbps     00:17:27.880    31,360 kbps     00:17:22.875    109,737 bytes   582,662 bytes   00:17:01.395    
6               0:19:51.857     0:05:32.875     13,121 kbps     33,920 kbps     00:22:06.617    30,029 kbps     00:22:04.865    22,038 kbps     00:21:59.860    68,407 bytes    517,233 bytes   00:19:54.902    
7               0:25:24.732     0:02:29.274     15,384 kbps     30,332 kbps     00:27:02.830    27,678 kbps     00:27:01.954    26,249 kbps     00:27:00.744    80,206 bytes    639,906 bytes   00:27:15.968    
8               0:27:54.006     0:04:47.954     27,669 kbps     38,513 kbps     00:32:04.214    33,534 kbps     00:30:24.114    31,941 kbps     00:30:20.027    144,254 bytes   642,313 bytes   00:28:07.269    
9               0:32:41.960     0:05:56.147     24,872 kbps     40,076 kbps     00:35:26.333    31,257 kbps     00:35:40.096    29,721 kbps     00:32:48.884    129,674 bytes   799,797 bytes   00:33:29.132    
10              0:38:38.107     0:04:33.774     29,523 kbps     41,533 kbps     00:40:51.991    35,729 kbps     00:38:55.708    32,600 kbps     00:42:48.983    153,921 bytes   616,879 bytes   00:39:36.165    
11              0:43:11.881     0:05:05.138     20,050 kbps     37,013 kbps     00:47:42.443    30,165 kbps     00:48:07.635    28,685 kbps     00:43:28.189    104,533 bytes   660,275 bytes   00:44:13.568    
12              0:48:17.019     0:05:08.100     21,928 kbps     45,212 kbps     00:48:17.269    34,808 kbps     00:48:17.311    31,616 kbps     00:48:17.311    114,324 bytes   639,474 bytes   00:49:08.112    
13              0:53:25.119     0:04:46.536     22,736 kbps     38,068 kbps     00:54:34.688    33,085 kbps     00:54:34.688    30,129 kbps     00:57:43.627    118,536 bytes   676,082 bytes   00:54:48.827    
14              0:58:11.655     0:05:35.001     22,522 kbps     38,356 kbps     00:59:19.723    33,883 kbps     00:59:19.639    31,590 kbps     00:59:19.723    117,419 bytes   688,467 bytes   01:01:31.479    
15              1:03:46.656     0:02:01.955     19,150 kbps     33,341 kbps     01:05:31.177    30,133 kbps     01:05:27.340    29,214 kbps     01:05:23.211    99,839 bytes    625,077 bytes   01:05:48.653    
16              1:05:48.611     0:02:14.551     18,322 kbps     36,201 kbps     01:08:02.161    28,192 kbps     01:07:58.157    25,508 kbps     01:05:57.287    95,524 bytes    657,035 bytes   01:05:51.573    
17              1:08:03.162     0:04:45.327     28,757 kbps     45,962 kbps     01:11:37.335    34,619 kbps     01:11:35.666    32,245 kbps     01:08:17.260    149,926 bytes   650,147 bytes   01:12:08.741    
18              1:12:48.489     0:03:04.768     17,836 kbps     32,388 kbps     01:14:37.890    30,025 kbps     01:14:43.562    29,766 kbps     01:14:37.890    92,989 bytes    538,668 bytes   01:15:53.048    
19              1:15:53.257     0:01:04.982     19,397 kbps     30,027 kbps     01:16:55.110    27,349 kbps     01:16:53.234    22,935 kbps     01:16:48.229    101,129 bytes   474,098 bytes   01:15:56.302    
20              1:16:58.239     0:03:09.439     16,230 kbps     29,365 kbps     01:17:03.994    25,581 kbps     01:16:59.990    22,832 kbps     01:16:58.239    84,613 bytes    490,084 bytes   01:17:04.620    
21              1:20:07.678     0:03:56.027     17,981 kbps     40,105 kbps     01:22:29.153    32,414 kbps     01:20:16.520    29,267 kbps     01:20:14.518    93,747 bytes    563,720 bytes   01:22:35.075    
22              1:24:03.705     0:00:39.373     21,807 kbps     28,064 kbps     01:24:06.833    27,646 kbps     01:24:15.884    27,480 kbps     01:24:15.884    113,693 bytes   354,838 bytes   01:24:08.752    
23              1:24:43.078     0:04:41.698     14,917 kbps     28,832 kbps     01:24:44.496    18,292 kbps     01:24:44.496    16,771 kbps     01:24:44.496    77,769 bytes    502,289 bytes   01:27:57.314    
24              1:29:24.776     0:07:44.381     24,490 kbps     40,020 kbps     01:33:37.278    33,821 kbps     01:34:44.762    32,337 kbps     01:33:36.778    127,680 bytes   724,352 bytes   01:35:58.252    
25              1:37:09.157     0:04:57.797     17,594 kbps     33,593 kbps     01:37:24.505    29,793 kbps     01:38:04.295    28,886 kbps     01:38:00.708    91,729 bytes    658,574 bytes   01:37:11.200    
26              1:42:06.954     0:03:07.646     12,660 kbps     23,184 kbps     01:42:12.877    22,284 kbps     01:42:11.042    21,522 kbps     01:42:07.913    66,001 bytes    533,310 bytes   01:42:41.238    
27              1:45:14.600     0:05:44.719     27,212 kbps     40,761 kbps     01:45:51.303    33,343 kbps     01:45:14.642    30,483 kbps     01:45:14.642    141,869 bytes   788,070 bytes   01:47:42.623    
28              1:50:59.319     0:03:37.259     22,761 kbps     39,394 kbps     01:52:24.655    31,029 kbps     01:52:54.351    30,550 kbps     01:52:54.267    118,667 bytes   642,159 bytes   01:53:27.259    
29              1:54:36.578     0:04:08.290     22,823 kbps     34,082 kbps     01:56:24.853    31,948 kbps     01:56:24.561    30,124 kbps     01:56:21.183    118,988 bytes   628,824 bytes   01:56:54.716    
30              1:58:44.868     0:06:18.044     23,811 kbps     37,309 kbps     02:01:06.718    30,953 kbps     02:03:37.577    30,206 kbps     02:03:32.655    124,140 bytes   693,754 bytes   02:01:06.843    
31              2:05:02.912     0:05:16.191     25,979 kbps     42,237 kbps     02:08:08.347    33,953 kbps     02:08:19.984    32,209 kbps     02:08:19.483    135,442 bytes   790,498 bytes   02:09:24.924    
32              2:10:19.103     0:02:38.742     21,278 kbps     37,429 kbps     02:10:46.130    31,382 kbps     02:10:46.130    30,785 kbps     02:10:46.130    110,936 bytes   763,494 bytes   02:10:53.220    
33              2:12:57.845     0:03:16.279     26,808 kbps     48,635 kbps     02:12:58.512    32,992 kbps     02:12:58.137    30,922 kbps     02:15:09.476    139,767 bytes   726,650 bytes   02:13:45.559    
34              2:16:14.124     0:04:20.052     27,549 kbps     40,701 kbps     02:19:40.330    34,760 kbps     02:17:44.548    31,997 kbps     02:17:39.543    143,627 bytes   614,624 bytes   02:16:47.032    
35              2:20:34.176     0:04:51.916     23,136 kbps     34,332 kbps     02:22:25.454    31,755 kbps     02:23:57.379    28,707 kbps     02:23:24.429    120,619 bytes   538,838 bytes   02:25:16.458    
36              2:25:26.092     0:03:59.656     16,683 kbps     33,487 kbps     02:28:13.676    30,224 kbps     02:28:09.672    28,623 kbps     02:28:04.667    86,979 bytes    566,756 bytes   02:25:37.354    
37              2:29:25.748     0:04:22.846     26,470 kbps     41,138 kbps     02:32:27.847    32,798 kbps     02:32:32.352    31,515 kbps     02:32:26.846    138,002 bytes   648,503 bytes   02:32:44.238    
38              2:33:48.594     0:03:12.568     27,925 kbps     41,223 kbps     02:36:42.351    31,944 kbps     02:35:27.527    30,866 kbps     02:36:01.936    145,586 bytes   781,538 bytes   02:36:49.650    
39              2:37:01.162     0:01:59.494     26,277 kbps     39,330 kbps     02:37:01.454    33,565 kbps     02:37:01.454    29,431 kbps     02:38:47.852    136,998 bytes   552,633 bytes   02:38:38.884    
40              2:39:00.656     0:03:00.055     25,196 kbps     38,523 kbps     02:39:37.777    31,771 kbps     02:40:01.300    29,652 kbps     02:39:35.357    131,359 bytes   650,894 bytes   02:40:05.763    
41              2:42:00.711     0:02:39.951     15,045 kbps     27,823 kbps     02:42:02.171    17,876 kbps     02:42:02.129    16,554 kbps     02:44:28.275    78,437 bytes    489,624 bytes   02:43:18.831    

STREAM DIAGNOSTICS:

File            PID             Type            Seconds         Bytes           Packets         Bitrate         
----            ---             ----            -------         -----           -------         -------         
00000.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0xEA            9880.66         27,286,704,735  148,440,694     22,093          
00000.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x81            9880.66         790,453,760     4,631,565       640             
00000.M2TS      4353 (0x1101)   0x83            9880.66         2,602,842,204   20,022,236      2,107           
00000.M2TS      4354 (0x1102)   0x81            9880.66         790,453,760     4,631,565       640             
00000.M2TS      4355 (0x1103)   0x81            9880.66         790,453,760     4,631,565       640             
00000.M2TS      4356 (0x1104)   0x81            9880.66         790,453,760     4,631,565       640             
00000.M2TS      4357 (0x1105)   0x81            9880.66         790,453,760     4,631,565       640             
00000.M2TS      4358 (0x1106)   0x81            9880.66         237,136,128     1,543,855       192             
00000.M2TS      4359 (0x1107)   0x81            9880.66         237,136,128     1,543,855       192             
00000.M2TS      4608 (0x1200)   0x90            9880.66         36,693,146      209,968         30              
00000.M2TS      4609 (0x1201)   0x90            9880.66         27,120,644      158,614         22              
00000.M2TS      4610 (0x1202)   0x90            9880.66         39,124,706      223,336         32              
00000.M2TS      4611 (0x1203)   0x90            9880.66         37,050,020      211,513         30              
00000.M2TS      4612 (0x1204)   0x90            9880.66         38,521,836      219,984         31              
00000.M2TS      4613 (0x1205)   0x90            9880.66         34,963,224      200,248         28              
00000.M2TS      4614 (0x1206)   0x90            9880.66         33,746,010      193,597         27              
00000.M2TS      4615 (0x1207)   0x90            9880.66         34,817,193      199,593         28              
00000.M2TS      4616 (0x1208)   0x90            9880.66         33,771,296      194,117         27              
00000.M2TS      4617 (0x1209)   0x90            9880.66         35,333,024      202,312         29              
00000.M2TS      4618 (0x120A)   0x90            9880.66         29,786,499      170,921         24              
00000.M2TS      4619 (0x120B)   0x90            9880.66         34,159,037      194,847         28              
00000.M2TS      4620 (0x120C)   0x90            9880.66         32,921,381      189,129         27              
00000.M2TS      4621 (0x120D)   0x90            9880.66         35,706,295      204,341         29              
00000.M2TS      4622 (0x120E)   0x90            9880.66         29,580,192      170,843         24              
00000.M2TS      4623 (0x120F)   0x90            9880.66         30,075,574      176,422         24              
00000.M2TS      4624 (0x1210)   0x90            9880.66         59,012,743      335,813         48              
00000.M2TS      4625 (0x1211)   0x90            9880.66         67,980,876      387,934         55






Blu-ray smilebox File size: 34.70 GB

Bitrate: 21.73 mbps


Code:
                                                                                                                Total   Video                                             
Title                                                           Codec   Length  Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track                          Secondary Audio Track
-----                                                           ------  ------- --------------  --------------  ------- ------- ------------------                        ---------------------
How The West Was Won :)                                         VC-1    2:44:40 37,303,511,040  37,650,734,588  30.20   21.73   Dolby TrueHD 5.1 1467Kbps (48kHz/16-bit)  DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps



DISC INFO:

Disc Size:      37,650,734,588 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BD-Java:        No

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:           00000.mpls
Size:           37,303,511,040 bytes
Length:         2:44:40 (h:m:s)
Total Bitrate:  30.20 Mbps
Description:    

FILES:

Name            Size            Length          Time In         Time Out        
----            ----            ------          -------         --------        
00000.M2TS      37,303,511,040  2:44:40.662     0:00:00.000     2:44:40.662     

VIDEO:

Codec               Bitrate         Description     
-----               -------         -----------     
VC-1 Video          21732 kbps      1080p / 23.976fps / 16:9 / Advanced Profile 3

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Dolby TrueHD Audio              English         1467 kbps       5.1 / 48kHz / 16-bit / 1467kbps (AC3 Core: 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps)
Dolby Digital Audio             English         640 kbps        5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps
Dolby Digital Audio             French          640 kbps        5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps
Dolby Digital Audio             German          640 kbps        5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps
Dolby Digital Audio             Italian         640 kbps        5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps
Dolby Digital Audio             Spanish         640 kbps        5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps
Dolby Digital Audio             Spanish         192 kbps        1.0 / 48kHz / 192kbps

SUBTITLES:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Presentation Graphics           English         30 kbps                         
Presentation Graphics           Chinese         28 kbps                         
Presentation Graphics           Danish          24 kbps                         
Presentation Graphics           Dutch           27 kbps                         
Presentation Graphics           Finnish         28 kbps                         
Presentation Graphics           French          22 kbps                         
Presentation Graphics           German          32 kbps                         
Presentation Graphics           Italian         30 kbps                         
Presentation Graphics           Italian         31 kbps                         
Presentation Graphics           Japanese        23 kbps                         
Presentation Graphics           Norwegian       27 kbps                         
Presentation Graphics           Portuguese      29 kbps                         
Presentation Graphics           Portuguese      29 kbps                         
Presentation Graphics           Spanish         28 kbps                         
Presentation Graphics           Spanish         27 kbps                         
Presentation Graphics           Swedish         24 kbps                         

CHAPTERS:

Number          Time            Length          Avg Video Rate  Max 1-Sec Rate  Max 1-Sec Time  Max 5-Sec Rate  Max 5-Sec Time  Max 10Sec Rate  Max 10Sec Time  Avg Frame Size  Max Frame Size  Max Frame Time  
------          ----            ------          --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  
1               0:00:00.000     0:04:32.272     5,105 kbps      21,079 kbps     00:00:02.753    8,889 kbps      00:00:02.669    7,342 kbps      00:00:02.669    26,616 bytes    418,856 bytes   00:01:57.159    
2               0:04:32.272     0:03:08.188     12,812 kbps     43,890 kbps     00:06:04.990    23,774 kbps     00:06:04.155    21,144 kbps     00:04:34.816    66,797 bytes    625,675 bytes   00:06:05.907    
3               0:07:40.460     0:03:20.534     28,242 kbps     38,226 kbps     00:11:00.034    35,306 kbps     00:08:21.334    33,754 kbps     00:08:20.667    147,240 bytes   682,689 bytes   00:11:00.910    
4               0:11:00.994     0:04:24.472     29,182 kbps     39,204 kbps     00:12:30.291    38,200 kbps     00:12:30.249    33,794 kbps     00:11:01.035    152,141 bytes   664,133 bytes   00:14:49.055    
5               0:15:25.466     0:04:26.391     21,579 kbps     36,422 kbps     00:17:07.360    31,554 kbps     00:15:30.221    31,013 kbps     00:15:30.221    112,501 bytes   551,741 bytes   00:17:01.604    
6               0:19:51.857     0:05:32.875     12,695 kbps     29,891 kbps     00:22:05.407    26,422 kbps     00:22:04.698    19,416 kbps     00:21:59.652    66,183 bytes    441,733 bytes   00:22:08.410    
7               0:25:24.732     0:02:29.274     18,513 kbps     36,482 kbps     00:27:53.046    29,869 kbps     00:26:37.304    27,023 kbps     00:26:34.134    96,518 bytes    542,772 bytes   00:27:08.961    
8               0:27:54.006     0:04:47.954     24,824 kbps     40,764 kbps     00:28:42.220    35,462 kbps     00:28:28.624    34,195 kbps     00:28:28.498    129,421 bytes   630,356 bytes   00:28:03.307    
9               0:32:41.960     0:05:56.147     25,297 kbps     39,131 kbps     00:38:37.106    32,020 kbps     00:38:33.102    30,717 kbps     00:38:28.097    131,889 bytes   722,160 bytes   00:36:40.865    
10              0:38:38.107     0:04:33.774     28,475 kbps     43,622 kbps     00:43:10.922    35,884 kbps     00:38:55.124    32,313 kbps     00:38:55.124    148,454 bytes   518,567 bytes   00:40:59.957    
11              0:43:11.881     0:05:05.138     20,911 kbps     42,270 kbps     00:47:38.981    33,246 kbps     00:47:38.981    30,114 kbps     00:47:59.877    109,021 bytes   643,880 bytes   00:44:13.568    
12              0:48:17.019     0:05:08.100     22,845 kbps     35,384 kbps     00:50:56.262    32,695 kbps     00:49:34.972    31,274 kbps     00:49:29.967    119,103 bytes   632,257 bytes   00:48:53.097    
13              0:53:25.119     0:04:46.536     22,726 kbps     36,556 kbps     00:58:09.528    32,580 kbps     00:58:06.650    30,732 kbps     00:57:41.958    118,483 bytes   607,544 bytes   00:53:43.720    
14              0:58:11.655     0:05:35.001     24,041 kbps     41,863 kbps     00:59:19.765    36,826 kbps     00:59:19.347    34,563 kbps     00:59:19.347    125,340 bytes   748,695 bytes   01:01:35.483    
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In terms of overall picture quality compared to other restored catalog titles, this transfer tops them all. Better than Grand Prix HD DVD or The Searchers. It blows them away. Tired of reading posts like "Old movies can never look as good as the blockbuster movies of today!!!" ? I will tell you that this 45 year old movie is sharper, clearer and more detailed than most *ahem* TIER 0 PQ Blu-rays or HD DVDs.

Filmed using Cinerama process it is just f****** gorgeous. Watching the movie using the "Smilebox" version is truly an experience. The depth of field is amazing giving you the effect of "3D" or "looking thru a window". I still remember renting the laserdisc version from Dave's Video at Studio City many years ago in glorious widescreen 480i and digital stereo sound I don't want to sound elitist but after watching this movie and some of its scenes multiple times on different viewing sets of mine(check my profile for a list of my HT equipment), anything less than a 1080p projector is not recommended (my opinion). Now if you have a curved screen then its even better

No noticeable EE observed. Mild DNR is present on some scenes. But not to the level of Patton or Longest Day. Film grain is intact. DNR dial is not cranked up to "11" like those two. No waxy faces here. Fox studios should contact WB on the proper use of DNR on HD catalog titles.

But . . . . .

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Although there is an effort made with the restoration to remove or "blend in" the vertical lines between the three panels of the picture, its still very visible in some scenes. But compared to the older transfer its a huge improvement.



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Will the real Karl Malden please stand up?
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Hey, Xylon. Would you be able to post a few shots comparing the SmileBox and the traditional letterbox formats? That would be cool to see the difference side by side. Thanks!

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Hey, Xylon. Would you be able to post a few shots comparing the SmileBox and the traditional letterbox formats? That would be cool to see the difference side by side. Thanks!

It's already here.

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It's already here.

http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film2/DVDRe...on_blu-ray.htm

Thanks! That is perfect. I just wanted to see how big of a curve there was and how much it affects things like people. It was being played in letterbox on AMC a week or two ago so I still had that fresh in my head but a good side to side comparison helps out a lot.

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These should be very interesting.

Will we see the "smilebox" version too?
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Isn't the shot in #5 stock footage from "The Alamo" (1960)?
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These should be very interesting.

Will we see the "smilebox" version too?

Of course
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Isn't the shot in #5 stock footage from "The Alamo" (1960)?

Interesting. No idea.
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what hardware is needed to view the smilebox version, so that it actually doenst look weired? 3 TVs placed in a certain angle?
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Best-looking disc ever? The sharpness and detail in post #6 is mind-blowing, and look at the top of the building to the left in the very first shot, you can see the mortar between the bricks all the way back to the edge.

I guess having three times the resolution of conventional films will do that. 1080p isn't enough!
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what hardware is needed to view the smilebox version, so that it actually doenst look weired? 3 TVs placed in a certain angle?

You don't need anything, that's the point of the Smilebox version. It simulates a curved screen on a flat surface.
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The differences between the DVD and Blu-ray are simply stunning from those shots above.
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Holy Cow!

Incredible. I think these are the best looking screen grabs I have seen yet. The clarity and detail is amazing.

Xylon- do you prefer the regular version or smilebox? It looks like the smilebox version cuts off some picture info on the sides.
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squared!

I should be getting my copy today or tomorrow from amazon. I can't wait. I expected better quality than the DVD, but the differences shown above are amazing. Thanks, xylon!

Now, if Fox, MGM could only have done the same for Patton, TLD and others
Of course, their philosophy has been maximizing profits with minimal efforts.

Looks like WB hit this one out of the ballpark. This should be a wonderful release
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Wow, that is amazing. I watched the DVD a few months ago and wondered how much of a clean-up job they were going to be able to do, given the extreme noise and dirt prevalent throughout the film - I figured the source had to be in bad shape to get a transfer that bad. Well I guess they did one heck of a restoration because the Blu-ray looks simply wonderful.
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I can't believe how good this looks. For me, this is the best thing about this format, the fact that classics can look brand new. Just amazing.
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I don't like that film that much or at least i didn't when i watched it almost ten years ago on TNT movies in what appeared to be it's original widescreen aspect ratio with the separating lines intact.

I'm tempted to buy it and give it another shot....Regarding image quality Jimmy Stewart looks more detailed in that scene above than 99% of modern day releases....No surprise though as it was shot 70mm and Warners deserve praise this time....Instead of the usual attacks they get from certain selective members.

Here's hoping Lawrence of Arabia looks as detailed when it gets released ( next year please )
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Wow!
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You don't need anything, that's the point of the Smilebox version. It simulates a curved screen on a flat surface.

so its really intended to be seen as curved as on the screens in order for some 3d effect?
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Xylon,

The caps look awesome. Kudos to Warner Brothers for delivering a BD quality product after a long time.

Could you please compare (Three-Disc Special Edition) / (Ultimate Collector's Edition) and the Blu-ray ? I bet the differences wouldn't be this huge.

I know that your favorite is Hot Fuzz in terms of comparison pix. Do you accept that the west has won against the fuzz ?

Blu-ray : 340
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so its really intended to be seen as curved as on the screens in order for some 3d effect?

Precisely. It's almost like one of those optical illusions/tricks where you need to "learn" to look at it in a specific way. Instead of seeing a 2D image that's been squished in the middle, envision it as a curved screen in 3D.
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One of the most dated films around, but damn, that's some amazing detail. Love the PATTON comparisons.

You see, PATTON could have looked that good had they not raped it.

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