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Oh, BTW, I love it. It's awesome. Some notes:

1. It looks great. Dunno about the window-boxing, though.
2. The Japanese TrueHD track is an amazing demo track. VERY active.
3. Both Japanese 5.1 tracks are louder than the English 5.1 track.

I will wait until I've gotten a good upconverting player to compare this to the Pioneer DVDs. I'd be curious to see how the video stacks up with an Oppo 983H vs this BD.
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I've got a friend who has a Sony BDP-S350 and an Oknyo 705. In theory, this combo should work (according to the manuals for both devices). The info screen for the BDP-S350 says it's outputting 192Khz. When he presses the display button on the Onkyo the front panel says it's 48Khz. He has sound - is it likely a glitch on the Onkyo display?

I have a Sony BDP-S350 and a Onkyo 805 and I get 192khz being displayed on both. Don't know what's going on there.
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I'm getting sound, but not the lossless (or even 5.1) track. The common ground among all of us with the issue is the BD30. Here's the receivers so far that people are pairing it with:
Denon 3808
Elite 92TXH
Onkyo 705

I don't think the issue lies with all three of those receivers. It's probably not the disc, since apparently it works in the PS3.

You can add the Marantz 7002 to the list, I started the thread about the problem, which then got amalgamated with this thread.

I have emailed Panasonic Australia about the problem last Friday but not surprisingly have had no reply.
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I'm using the Panasonic BD35, I don't have a sound system capable of playing True HD, but when I select the Japanese HD track on Akira it goes down to 2.0. If I select the English HD track it still plays in 5.1 just like any other blu-ray I have.

Does this mean that when I upgrade my sound system I'm going to have to upgrade my player as well to be able to hear the 192 HD Japanese track?
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I'm getting sound, but not the lossless (or even 5.1) track. The common ground among all of us with the issue is the BD30. Here's the receivers so far that people are pairing it with:
Denon 3808
Elite 92TXH
Onkyo 705

I don't think the issue lies with all three of those receivers. It's probably not the disc, since apparently it works in the PS3.

Even though I posted right above you that I'm using a PS3 and an HK 247 receiver and have the same problems. So it isn't just the BD player you mentioned.
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I checked with a HMV here at a local mall (Winnipeg), the kids working there were as useless as tits on a bull and couldn't give me a yes or no answer, just "check back in a few days..." . Maybe Walmart or one of the other large stores will bring it in for us Canucks, who knows.

I checked with Futureshop to see if they had a future listing for it, or if it just wasn't showing up on their website (like a number of the Alliance releases when they first came out - they were on shelves but not listed on the web), but no dice. My local specialty video store here in Vancouver is apparently getting it in next week, but they want $53.99 for it, which is kind of nuts. Since Amazon.ca is out of stock, I guess that might be my best bet. I don't want to wait another month or more to get it.
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Yeah, I've got a small retailer nearby says he can get it in a week. Oh well, Future Shop and Best Buy screw us again!
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Any comments on the stereo PCM track? Is it the original audio of the film? And how is it?

I would have bought it today but my local Fry's had none. They didn't even have it on their release list for this week

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How can 24bit 192 in 5.1 be possible since blu-ray caps out at 96khz in 5.1 or 7.1?

7.1 tracks max out at 24 bit/96 kHz resolution.

5.1 tracks max out at 24 bit/192 kHz resolution.

All audio formats have this rule on Blu-ray. It was based on early HDMI specs that didn't have the bandwidth they do now.

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Tried it out tonight.

I have a Sony BDP-S350 and a Onkyo 705. The Sony is streaming the audio out to the Onkyo.

The Sony shows TrueHD 5.1 192 kHz being sent out. The Onkyo is decoding it as PCM 5.1 192khz.

A little surprised. I would have though I would be getting 2.0 TrueHD since the Onkyo cant handle 5.1 TrueHD.
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Not working right for me with a PS3 and an H/K 247. You can hear everything except there's no center channel resulting in no dialogue. Shows up as 2-channel stereo on the receiver even though you can hear the surrounds, it's weird.

It sounds so much more enveloping than the DD track, but obviously not going to watch it without voices. Too bad.

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Just a reminder - make sure that if you're using a PS3 you need to have the audio output set to Linear PCM. If you don't then you might see it as 2.0 DD or something odd. I just went through this with my friend's PS3 and Denon 3808. I have the same setup and it works fine. (And so does his now that we fixed his PS3.)

I've got the same issue as fiddlesticks. The centre channel simply disappears when listening to the 192Khz track thru my PS3 (sent as PCM over HDMI, natch), although on my Pioneer VSX-2016 receiver all 6 channels show up. If I switch to bitstream I get a 2.0 channel Dolby Digital mix with dialogue intact & flagged for Dolby Surround.

Yes, I've double checked the PS3 HDMI audio settings, and the track plays perfectly using the internal decoding of my Sony BDPS550 (again, PCM over HDMI) so that's the receiver ruled out.

It's great that discs like these are pushing the technology to its limit, but they really should make sure that the damn things work properly first...
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I've got a friend who has a Sony BDP-S350 and an Oknyo 705. In theory, this combo should work (according to the manuals for both devices). The info screen for the BDP-S350 says it's outputting 192Khz. When he presses the display button on the Onkyo the front panel says it's 48Khz. He has sound - is it likely a glitch on the Onkyo display?

I said earlier in the thread that the 705 doesn't support 192khz TrueHD tracks. It's in the manual on page 69 if you want to check.

However, hellgrammite says it works for him. Maybe this is due to a firmware version? (Obviously when the manual was made, the firmware would have been an earlier version, so maybe it just didn't decode 192khz then.) Look in the 705 owners' thread or do a search and see if there's an updated firmware. I know I updated my 605 before, and one reason for that was to get rid of the DTS bomb.
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I have to say it, this Blu-ray is amazing. The effort put into it really surprised me. I thought Bandai was just going to port everything over from the THX 2001 remaster and that's it, but they really cleaned it up and that Japanese TrueHD track is amazing, and the English Dub in TrueHD is cool as well. I'm disappointed by the lack of extras, but the video and audio more than make up for it. Good job Bandai.

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The Sony shows TrueHD 5.1 192 kHz being sent out. The Onkyo is decoding it as PCM 5.1 192khz.

That is to be expected. If you read the S350 manual then it shows (page 62!) that it won't bitstream.

However, my friend has the same player and same receiver and when he hit the display button it said "48Khz", according to him. So how did you check what the 705 was doing?
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I said earlier in the thread that the 705 doesn't support 192khz TrueHD tracks. It's in the manual on page 69 if you want to check.

But the BDP-S350 doesn't support outputting TrueHD so it's all good. And on page 37 it says it supports "Multichannel linear PCM (up to 7.1 ch, 32–192kHz, 16/20/24 bit)", so it *should* work with an S350 or PS3.

Edit: I wuz wrong - it will bitstream I think (hard to tell from manual) but the 705 can't do 192Khz TrueHD, so it's doing LPCM.
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Perhaps.

But all I know is that my Sony S350 is saying:

-TrueHD 5.1 192 khz - and I have my system set up for bitstreaming.

Then I hit the Display settings of my Onkyo 705:

MCH PCM 5.1
FS: 192 kHz

What must be happening is the receiver cannot handle it, so the Sony player is outputting it as LPCM 5.1 at 192 khz.
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What must be happening is the receiver cannot handle it, so the Sony player is outputting it as LPCM 5.1 at 192 khz.

Yep. Look at the note on page 62 of the manual.

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When BD Audio Setting is set to Direct, audio recorded by the source is output by bitstream. However, this audio may be output as follows depending on the audio formats supported by the AV amplifier (receiver).

-When the AV amplifier (receiver) does not support HD Audio (Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD High Resolution Audio and DTS-HD Master Audio) but supports Multi-ch LPCM, up to LPCM 7.1ch is output.

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I watched this tonight, awesome sound, excellent video.
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I am also having problems. I am using an Onkyo TX-SR605(website says its updated based on serial number) with a PS3. I am outputting LPCM from the PS3 into the 605. The only issues are occurring on the Japanese TrueHD track with no Center, FL, or FR. I am only hearing SL and SR.


Specs say it does 192 LPCM, could this result from anything else?

Edit: Silly me did not have the 605's listening mode on Direct. Switching it to direct fixed all of my issues.
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I'm getting sound, but not the lossless (or even 5.1) track. The common ground among all of us with the issue is the BD30. Here's the receivers so far that people are pairing it with:
Denon 3808
Elite 92TXH
Onkyo 705

I don't think the issue lies with all three of those receivers. It's probably not the disc, since apparently it works in the PS3.

Interesting. I have the Panasonic BD50 and a Denon 3808. I tested the opening scene last night, and bitstreaming the Japanese TrueHD track worked fine. The receiver reported a 3/2/1 192 Khz TrueHD signal and I was hearing the full soundtrack.

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Since the number of people with sound problems is growing (myself included), MOD- can we get a separate thread going?
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Just picked this up and plan to watch it tonite.

I will say I was tickled and then slightly annoyed by all the talk in the booklet about "hypersonic" audio and blah this and blah that about the hi-res sound option Blu-ray.

I mean, hi-res audio has been with us the better part of a decade via SACD and DVD-A. What's so revolutionary about hi-res audio at this point?

Whatever...
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So it looks like the Canadian release date for Akira is now March 24th (according to Amazon.ca and the local specialty movie store near me). I can understand a delay of a week or two, but over a month AND 50% more expensive? That just seems cruel.
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Has anyone confirmed if the stereo PCM track is the original audio track? Just curious.

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http://www.yamashirogumi.gr.jp/akira-e/sankou/

thats the info about the hypersonic sound and why it is so good
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Has anyone confirmed if the stereo PCM track is the original audio track? Just curious.

I only did a quick spot check, but it sure sounded like it. I'll double check it tonight.
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Thanks. I'm sure the newer tracks sound great as people are reporting, but I'm interested in hearing the original track with the original foley work.

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Interesting. I have the Panasonic BD50 and a Denon 3808. I tested the opening scene last night, and bitstreaming the Japanese TrueHD track worked fine. The receiver reporting a 3/2/1 192 Khz TrueHD signal and I was hearing the full soundtrack.

interesting hmm

I have BD30 with Onkyo 875

receiver reporting STEREO (I can hear only L+R channles), even after I press display on receiver controller, it will show DolbyTrueHD 5.1, 192kHz hmm

so now I am not sure where is problem, BD30 ? or Onkyo 875

on my PS3 it's playing without any problems decoded to lpcm 5.1 192kHz

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Since the number of people with sound problems is growing (myself included), MOD- can we get a separate thread going?

Good luck with that, I originally started a separate thread about the audio problem but it was rolled in with this thread, I did request that it be separated again but that was ignored.
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I think it was the 805 and above in last year's Onkyo models that could handle 192 kHz TrueHD and DTS-MA. It's due to the fact they have more processing horsepower with three high end TI processing chips.

But, if you want the FULL resolution of a higher than 96 kHz track, you have to have the receiver or pre-amp on direct mode without any other post-processing applied.

You can actually tell the Onkyos what to do by default with different types of inputted signals.

Like if it's hit with 192 kHz sampling then you can tell it to go right to direct mode every time.

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