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Thank you, I'm just trying to help out crellion.

I don't own a PS3, I'm only going on Sony's own specs.

So crellion really only needs a receiver that can handle 192/24 LPCM, correct?

The Onkyo 607 should handle the decoded 192/24 LPCM decoded from the PS3 just fine. The Listening Mode may need to be set to "Direct", however.
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Finally watched Akira on Blu Ray and I can't believe what a massive improvement in video quality we got. The DVD version absolutely looks like a pile of dog crap in comparison.

As for the audio I had my audio coming out of the PS3 as linear PCM and the 192KHz track would only play in stereo. I then tried outputting audio via bitstream and the 192KHz tracks started working in proper surround.
Curiously though, am I the only one hearing differences in the music between the Japanese Dolby True HD track and the other audio tracks?
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Have any of you with these two units specifically been able to get the 24/192khz track to playback? My next attempt is swap players and try my BD35 from the other room to see if that will bitstream the data to the Denon to playback at 192khz in surround and not Stereo.
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You have a 5.1 setup right (not 7.1?)
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You have a 5.1 setup right (not 7.1?)


Yes I'm still using 5.1. It plays the 192khz in 2 channel only and I'm unable to confirm on the Receiver that it was 24/192khz. No indicator on the front panel. It just shows that a digital signal is present and HDMI is being used. I'm wondering how others are able to confirm that their Panasonic BD30 and Denon 3808 are functioning correctly with this particular disc. I never read an definitive answer inthe previous posts. I will try tomorrow when I return home to swap the 30 and the 35 to see if the newer unit does the same thing.
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Still can't find this disc anywhere in Vancouver! All of the HMV locations show it as on order, but it apparently hasn't arrived anywhere. Even Amazon.ca now shows 1-3 weeks shipping time. Any Vancouverites managed to find it??
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On my Onkyo 576 I have to switch the receiver to music and then to Direct mode only on music in order for it to process the 192khz track. I hope this is correct, anyone else have this receiver? I'm using my PS# sending the track as PCM. Thanks.

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Still can't find this disc anywhere in Vancouver! All of the HMV locations show it as on order, but it apparently hasn't arrived anywhere. Even Amazon.ca now shows 1-3 weeks shipping time. Any Vancouverites managed to find it??

Have you tried Sakura Media? Last time I was there they had some copies of the second pressing. The price was ridiculous however .

If you can wait a little longer I would hold out for HMV. You may want to place an order though so that you will get one when it arrives.
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PS3 & Onkyo 606 here... outputting from PS3 via PCM. I thought this combo was golden, but I too am only getting stereo output from the Japanese TruHD track.

I have just read through this thread, but am still unclear as to whether I simply cannot get this track outputted properly via the Onkyo, or whether I can, but have to adjust settings.

Thoughts please?
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Wow... no 606 experts here?

Or perhaps everyone is still not sure?
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Wow... no 606 experts here?

Or perhaps everyone is still not sure?

The 606 probably does not have enough processor horsepower for 5.1 channel 24 bit,192 kHz audio whether it's TrueHD or PCM or DTS-MA.

You may need to get yourself an upgraded receiver with the MIPS available to do this.

My Onkyo 805 will take at least 5.1 channel 24 bit/192 kHz PCM with no hassles. I just have to leave it on PURE so it doesn't apply any processing to it or it will knock it down to 96 kHz sampling to overlay DSP and bass management modes.

Now, all we need are processor chips and room calibration software that can handle 8 channel 24 bit, 192 kHz with no down-conversion whatsoever.

Listen up, studios! Just say "NO" to DNR and EE!!
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The 606 will accept and process 24/192 TrueHD tracks whether bitstreamed or when sent as PCM. It's in the manual: http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=47742 (top part of the post is about the 705, bottom is about the 606). The audio mode will need to be set to Direct or Pure Audio, however.

Some reported in the AVS 606 owners' thread that it won't accept 7.1 192kHz tracks though, just 5.1 ones.
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Thanks for your response, Dan!

I really don't know much about this stuff, but thought I was good because according to the manual, the 606 has...

• 24-bit/192kHz D/A Converters

and supports TrueHD 192kHz - multichannel

The PS3 has to output this via PCM. Could it be that for the Onkyo to use the high res audio track, it would need to be bitstreamed rather than converted to PCM? Or should that not matter?
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The 606 will accept and process 24/192 TrueHD tracks whether bitstreamed or when sent as PCM. It's in the manual: http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=47742 (top part of the post is about the 705, bottom is about the 606). The audio mode will need to be set to Direct or Pure Audio, however.


Whoops - somehow I missed your post, jd213!

My 606 is the American model, so it doesn't support Pure Audio mode. I'll investigate Direct. What is the default mode?

Also, I had read somewhere that Audyssey and this audio track don't work together. I turned Audyssey off, and still only got the stereo track. So - anything to that theory at all?
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I have the Onkyo 705 and when I started the movie out, it played only through two channels on the Japanese TrueHD track. I pushed the "surround mode" botton and it went to multi channel and started playing the track like it was supposed to. The display confirmed it. Maybe this will help.
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Whoops - somehow I missed your post, jd213!

My 606 is the American model, so it doesn't support Pure Audio mode. I'll investigate Direct. What is the default mode?

Okay, that should be fine, I think Pure Audio is basically the same as Direct, except the front panel is turned off. I believe it's the default mode for multichannel tracks, too.
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What's going on is this, probably: when you hit the "surround mode" it's matrix decoding the stereo down-converted track that's allowed to come through the HDMI handshake instructions from receiver and player... and you're not getting the full 5.1 track.

If Direct or Pure won't get the 5.1 192 kHz track to work on the 606 or 705, then I'm assuming that it will not process TrueHD at such a high sampling level.

It takes more horsepower to losslessly decode, on the fly, TrueHD and DTS-MA codecs, especially at multi-channel 24/192.

I don't even think my 805 can do it... it forces the TrueHD track to be output as 192 kHz PCM via whatever Blu-ray player you have. Good thing my Pioneer 51FD has a built-in TrueHD decoder to de-compress it back into PCM!

And if you can get it to work, as soon as you apply room correction, tone control, DSP modes, etc. to the 192 kHz signal it will be downconverted to whatever sampling rate the DSP's can handle.

So, you're stuck with Pure or Direct for 192 kHz anything: PCM, TrueHD, or DTS-MA.

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To reiterate what I said earlier: the x05 series of Onkyo receivers will accept 24/192 multichannel signals, but they must first be decoded to LPCM by the player and the receiver must be set to Pure Audio or Direct. This is stated on page 61 of the 605 manual.

The x06 series will accept them when sent as LPCM or bitstreamed. I believe they will have to be set to Pure Audio/Direct as well.
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I just ordered the Akira Blu Ray from tower.com for $29.00 out the door since they have free S&H for orders over $25 with no sales tax since im in CA. I order most of my Blu Rays from tower this way and usually get them in about a week. I usually pay less than $20 for most BD
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I recently upgraded my Blu-ray Disc player to a Pioneer BDP-51FD. The player is set to internally decode Dolby TrueHD and output it via 5.1 analog to my Denon AVR-5700 receiver.

Anyway, last night I popped in the Akira BD to check out the 192 kHz 24 bit Japanese audio track. OMFG!! I can't believe how good it sounded. I was grinning from ear to ear. Even my wife heard the difference and was quite impressed.

I can't wait to watch the rest of my movies in lossless audio!

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To reiterate what I said earlier: the x05 series of Onkyo receivers will accept 24/192 multichannel signals, but they must first be decoded to LPCM by the player and the receiver must be set to Pure Audio or Direct. This is stated on page 61 of the 605 manual.

The x06 series will accept them when sent as LPCM or bitstreamed. I believe they will have to be set to Pure Audio/Direct as well.

I don't think this is true. I think there is something wrong with the way the Akira BD is authored. I have an Onkyo 805 and it plays the 192/24 5.1 program material on the 2L Divertimenti Blu-ray Audio disc without any trouble, whether it is the PCM track or the bitstreamed DTS-HD Master Audio or Dolby TrueHD tracks. This Akira disc is just a nuisance. Just to make sure, I took it out and popped in Divertimenti again, and wouldn't you know, the 192/24 5.1 TrueHD track bitsreamed without any trouble. With Akira, it keeps downsampling to Dolby 2.0. For whatever reason, Akira is messing with the handshaking, apparently.

EDIT: Check that; the DTS-HD Master Audio bitstreams properly at 192/24 5.1, the TrueHD selects the DD 5.1 track instead. It must be a player thing, because when I was using a Sony S350 with the same 805, it bitstreamed the TrueHD 192/24 5.1 without issue -- now I'm using a Panny BD80 and the BD80 has some well known issues as it is with Onkyo/Integra units -- most notably the Onkyos and Integras won't playback the surround back channels in a 7.1 PCM source from the Panasonics. Now add this inability to accept 192/24 TrueHD bitstreamed to the list.

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^^ I just confirmed what I said above. I popped Akira into my Momitsu BDP-899 and bitstreamed the TrueHD 192/24 5.1 soundtrack into the Onkyo 805 and it played without issue. The problem, then, is definitely between the Panasonic and the Onkyo (and possibly Integra) components when bitstreaming 192/24 TrueHD. The problem is neither one of these companies wants to admit that it is a problem with their gear, they keep pointing the finger back at each other.

At least Panasonic's people have been helpful with me and my colleagues, Onkyo on the other hand...

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The 805 might accept a TrueHD signal, but according to Onkyo's manual "The AV receiver/
AV amplifier does not respond to a 192 kHz TrueHD signal" so despite what happens in real life Onkyo doesn't guarantee it's actually processing it correctly. So it could be downsampling the audio or degrading it somehow in order for it to process it. DTS-MA is similarly processed at 96kHz when a 192 track is bitstreamed.
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The 805 might accept a TrueHD signal, but according to Onkyo's manual "The AV receiver/
AV amplifier does not respond to a 192 kHz TrueHD signal" so despite what happens in real life Onkyo doesn't guarantee it's actually processing it correctly. So it could be downsampling the audio or degrading it somehow in order for it to process it. DTS-MA is similarly processed at 96kHz when a 192 track is bitstreamed.

Yeah, you're correct, because upon further testing (once again, I know) even with the Momitsu bitsreamning the 192/24 5.1 TrueHD program, the 805 is actually playing it, but downmixing it to only 2.0. Using the Panasonic BD80, the 805 won't even accept the TrueHD 192/24 5.1 source and forces the bitsreaming of the DD 5,1 instead. I'd have to double check what the heck it was doing exactly with the DTS-HD MA. It may be time for me to look into getting another AVR, because with the lack of proper bitstreaming support combined with the inability to playback surround back channels in a 7.1 PCM mix over HDMI from a Panasonic player, this Onkyo is starting to become a nuisance, as much as I love it otherwise.

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Man, I love my 805. I kinda prefer bitstreaming to decoding in the player as well (for psychological reasons perhaps), but I wouldn't give up my 805 just so I could bitstream the 192 track for Akira. I guess if you have a lot of other 192kHz Blu-rays I could see it, but all the newer Onkyos use cheaper DACs and parts, despite being able to decode 192kHz bitstreamed tracks.
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Man, I love my 805. I kinda prefer bitstreaming to decoding in the player as well (for psychological reasons perhaps), but I wouldn't give up my 805 just so I could bitstream the 192 track for Akira. I guess if you have a lot of other 192kHz Blu-rays I could see it, but all the newer Onkyos use cheaper DACs and parts, despite being able to decode 192kHz bitstreamed tracks.

I love it too, but its not just the inability to bitstream 192/24 (and, yes, I have a few Blu-ray Audio-only discs from 2L that have 192/24 5.1 mixes in TrueHD, DTS-HD MA & PCM), but, as I said, the Onkyo won't playback the surround back channels in a 7.1 PCM mix from the Panasonics (BD 35/55; BD60/80) via HDMI either. I know this is rare and PCM on the whole is dwindling in use, but I still have these titles in my collection. I could go the unbelievably troublesome route of using the analogue outputs on the BD80 and running them through my Zektor 5.1 analogue mutlichannel switch (the back channels would have to go directly to the 805) and switching between HDMI and analogue whenever I watched one of these titles, but really, it's a little ridiculous at this point, don't you think?

As it stands, I believe I have 4 movie titles with 7.1 PCM mixes in my collection, if I recall correctly -- 3:10 to Yuma, Ghost in the Shell: Innocence [JP], Weeds: Season 1 (or is it Season 2?) and The Decent. I have no way of getting the back channels to playback from those discs unless I use the analogue outs.

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Like another poster said, the PS3 combo with the Sony Str-DA2400ES works flawlessly. The PS3 does the decoding and sends out the signal via 5.1 LPCM. The Receiver receives it and sends it to the 5 speakers and the woofer. On the Receiver it says LPCM followed by [192].
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Like another poster said, the PS3 combo with the Sony Str-DA2400ES works flawlessly. The PS3 does the decoding and sends out the signal via 5.1 LPCM. The Receiver receives it and sends it to the 5 speakers and the woofer. On the Receiver it says LPCM followed by [192].

The Panasonic BD80 and Onkyo 805 combination works flawlessly for me as well, as long as I set the BD80 to decode the TrueHD into PCM instead of having it bitstream.

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PS3 converted the 192kHz to LPCM sending to Onkyo 705 works! Wow that track is amazing.
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i'm having a weird situation. i started watching it and switched between the two truehd tracks to see the 192 difference. i feel it, it's great but there's one weird thing happening. the japanese track seems to have no bass for me. i switch over to the english track and there's a lot of low frequency in there and when i switch back to the japanese, none at all. none.

i'm outputting pcm from ps3 to an onkyo HT-R667 in "direct" mode for the 192khz, which works fine, just no lfe. puzzled here.
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